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ProBlack 01-05-2010 07:35 PM

how did these sterotypes come about??
 
I recently wrote my senior thesis paper on the history of colorism, the media and black women which discussed matters from the mid 1800's until now. I found out that Howard Univerity had a history of colorism and required photographs to be submitted with applications. Also as people felt lighter skinned/mulatto people were more intelligent because they were closer to being white they were usually the ones sponsored for education. So if this is the case, then where did the sterotype that Deltas are supposed to be dark skinned and AKAs are supposed to be light skinned if the Delta founders were once AKAs and Howard accepted majority lighter skinned people?

Psi U MC Vito 01-05-2010 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ProBlack (Post 1881210)
I recently wrote my senior thesis paper on the history of colorism, the media and black women which discussed matters from the mid 1800's until now. I found out that Howard Univerity had a history of colorism and required photographs to be submitted with applications. Also as people felt lighter skinned/mulatto people were more intelligent because they were closer to being white they were usually the ones sponsored for education. So if this is the case, then where did the sterotype that Deltas are supposed to be dark skinned and AKAs are supposed to be light skinned if the Delta founders were once AKAs and Howard accepted majority lighter skinned people?

QFP

ProBlack 01-05-2010 07:56 PM

sorry im new...not familiar with the lingo...what does qfp mean?

phimusam 01-05-2010 08:38 PM

Google won't tell me what QFP means, but I got so tired of all sorts of gross stuff popping up that I put some sort of child protection on my computer. I do know that, in the 60s, U of MD required pictures on grad school apps and someone told me that it was easier for hot females to be admitted - Howard could have wanted pictures for the same reason - mostly male profs and a shortage of hot females.
You have asked an interesting question, but I suspect that the QFP has something to do with telling you that you should not have asked it because it is not PC.

Psi U MC Vito 01-05-2010 08:45 PM

QFP= Quote for Prosperity

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 08:52 PM

This topic has been (unnecessarily) discussed at length. Do a search.

ProBlack 01-05-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881261)
This topic has been (unnecessarily) discussed at length. Do a search.


I did do a search on here as well as extensive research for my thesis and have not found an answer to this specific question. I have found what the sterotypes are but not how and when they came about. Also being that colorism is an issue that still pervades the black community today I dont think its unnecessary...

ProBlack 01-05-2010 09:25 PM

thanks for the qfp definitions

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ProBlack (Post 1881278)
I did do a search on here as well as extensive research for my thesis and have not found an answer to this specific question. I have found what the sterotypes are but not how and when they came about. Also being that colorism is an issue that still pervades the black community today I dont think its unnecessary...

If you were interested in colorism's effect on the black community, then you wouldn't have mentioned AKA and Delta.

PrettyBoy 01-05-2010 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881288)
If you were interested in colorism's effect on the black community, then you wouldn't have mentioned AKA and Delta.

Aw hell, here we go. http://i588.photobucket.com/albums/s...ns/popcorn.gif:D

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PrettyBoy (Post 1881292)

I'm actually working during work now, so I have to make the most of my evening GC time lol

ProBlack 01-05-2010 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881288)
If you were interested in colorism's effect on the black community, then you wouldn't have mentioned AKA and Delta.

Why wouldnt I if they are a part of the black community? Colorism in the black community helped determine who was granted a college education, and both organizations were founded on a college campus, by college students, who may have been admitted with their skin color as a factor. So it all relates.

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ProBlack (Post 1881297)
Why wouldnt I if they are a part of the black community? Colorism in the black community helped determine who was granted a college education, and both organizations were founded on a college campus, by college students, who may have been admitted with their skin color as a factor. So it all relates.

If you say so.

You can still do a search.

PrettyBoy 01-05-2010 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881296)
I'm actually working during work now, so I have to make the most of my evening GC time lol

LOL! Be nice, now.:D

Little32 01-05-2010 09:49 PM

I am emailing your professor. Trying to do research on a message board. Really?

Read a book! Read a book! Read a...book!
Read a book! Read a book! Read a...book!

ProBlack 01-05-2010 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881298)
If you say so.

You can still do a search.

...Once again...I did..and didnt find anything. If you see something I missed then please, be all means, feel free to post a link.

PrettyBoy 01-05-2010 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1881302)
I am emailing your professor. Trying to do research on a message board. Really?

Read a book! Read a book! Read a...book!
Read a book! Read a book! Read a...book!

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

ProBlack 01-05-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1881302)
I am emailing your professor. Trying to do research on a message board. Really?

Read a book! Read a book! Read a...book!
Read a book! Read a book! Read a...book!

Umm...I said I recently did my thesis paper...meaning its already completed...also school is out for break...so no...Im not doing research, Im just looking for opinions...

Little32 01-05-2010 09:58 PM

The advice still applies.

Not a messageboard, not Wikipedia, but a book...a book!

Senusret I 01-05-2010 09:59 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Lucy_Slowe.jpg
Not light.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ceolaadams.jpg

Not dark.

Taste the rainbow.

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 09:59 PM

Your thesis revolved around this topic and you weren't able to find answers?

This topic is silly.

ProBlack 01-05-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1881306)
The advice still applies.

Not a messageboard, not Wikipedia, but a book...a book!


It would apply If I hadnt read books on the topic of colorism but I have and this specific question has not been answered as I stated before. I wasnt aware that asking a question just to hear how others feel about would be an issue.

Little32 01-05-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1881307)

I always wonder how much the equipment affected the appearance of skin tone in these older photographs. That's really just a random declaration.

PrettyBoy 01-05-2010 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881308)
Your thesis revolved around this topic and you weren't able to find answers?

This topic is silly.

http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/24.gif

Senusret I 01-05-2010 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1881311)
I always wonder how much the equipment affected the appearance of skin tone in these older photographs. That's really just a random declaration.

Me too, sometimes. I think subconsciously I am really thinking about who could pass and who couldn't, based on features in addition to skin color.

ProBlack 01-05-2010 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Little32 (Post 1881311)
I always wonder how much the equipment affected the appearance of skin tone in these older photographs. That's really just a random declaration.

There was an exhibit at the Museum of American History in DC on the Scurlock's, who if I remember correctly were supposed to be pioneers in color accuracy in photos, but this was around the 1930's I believe so I dont know how accurate colors were prior to

Little32 01-05-2010 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ProBlack (Post 1881310)
It would apply If I hadnt read books on the topic of colorism but I have and this specific question has not been answered as I stated before. I wasnt aware that asking a question just to hear how others feel about would be an issue.

It was your phrasing of the question that could be perceived to be an issue. Also, folks have told you to do a search, because the question has been discussed over and over in the ten years that this board has existed. If you are not finding anything, use terms that are more or less precise. All that failing, search the larger internet, there is so much material about this topic out there.

Of course, you could probably just Read a book!

You just probably aren't going to find a lot of folk here willing to rehash this discussion again for your benefit. :shrugs:

ProBlack 01-05-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881308)
Your thesis revolved around this topic and you weren't able to find answers?

This topic is silly.

No it didnt revolve around this topic...colorism and education was a minor part of the paper and bglo an even smaller part...if you had read my initial question you would see what the topic of the paper was...
funny how its silly but you chose to entertain it

DiamondAthena 01-05-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1881316)
Me too, sometimes. I think subconsciously I am really thinking about who could pass and who couldn't, based on features in addition to skin color.


Boy b/c a NOSE can say soooo much! lol Now I'm being silly lol

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ProBlack (Post 1881326)
WAH WAH WAH WAH

Yeah, whatever.

I still know how to use the search function. So nanny-nanny-boo-boo.

DrPhil 01-05-2010 10:48 PM

ProBlack, doing a keyword search for "colorism" on the search engine turns up pages of threads on this topic. Skim through those old threads because we're tired of discussing such matters.

It actually is sad that someone who just did a senior thesis can't figure out the answer to this question himself. Stereotypes exist because some people fit the stereotype and the stereotype represents some kind of ideal and ranking system. Apply that to all of your questions.

rhoyaltempest 01-06-2010 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ProBlack (Post 1881210)
I recently wrote my senior thesis paper on the history of colorism, the media and black women which discussed matters from the mid 1800's until now. I found out that Howard Univerity had a history of colorism and required photographs to be submitted with applications. Also as people felt lighter skinned/mulatto people were more intelligent because they were closer to being white they were usually the ones sponsored for education. So if this is the case, then where did the sterotype that Deltas are supposed to be dark skinned and AKAs are supposed to be light skinned if the Delta founders were once AKAs and Howard accepted majority lighter skinned people?

You have a whole lot of research to do if you don't know how such stereotypes came to be. This topic is a whole lot broader than you are obviously trying to research (even though you claim to have written a thesis on it). I'm sure you know that this issue is less about Black Greek Organizations and more about Colorism in the Black Community back then and really about people of color all over the world, even now. No need to make anything unique to specific organizations. If you really want the answers and are not just trying to start drama, do the research.

deepimpact2 01-06-2010 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1881316)
Me too, sometimes. I think subconsciously I am really thinking about who could pass and who couldn't, based on features in addition to skin color.

Speaking of passing, I'm still waiting for Bob Barr to admit he's Black.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Little32 01-06-2010 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1882021)
Speaking of passing, I'm still waiting for Bob Barr to admit he's Black.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

I have been waiting for that for years. lol. I posted about it on BP, when BP was still relevent. You do the math.

DrPhil 01-06-2010 09:02 PM

Bob Barr looks like some of the men in my family. That's neither here nor there, though.

Race is a human invention and I'm more humored over what "being Black" means outside of America than over the Blacks who are passing in America. Either way, the websites that are insisting Barr publicly identifies with a race is similar (not the same as) insisting on forcing people "out of the closet" regarding sexual orientation. If people are nonwhite and know it, they may be hiding it for a reason...oh well...let them do their thing. Just don't expect us to come to your aid when you are found to have a double life that included multiple mistresses, none of whom are Caucablasian. :)

deepimpact2 01-06-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1882029)
Bob Barr looks like some of the men in my family. That's neither here nor there, though.

Race is a human invention and I'm more humored over what "being Black" means outside of America than over the Blacks who are passing in America. Either way, the websites that are insisting Barr publicly identifies with a race is similar (not the same as) insisting on forcing people "out of the closet" regarding sexual orientation. If people are nonwhite and know it, they may be hiding it for a reason...oh well...let them do their thing. Just don't expect us to come to your aid when you are found to have a double life that included multiple mistresses, none of whom are Caucablasian. :)

On that note. . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W6XjXIKRyw

DrPhil 01-06-2010 09:12 PM

I'm kinda mad at David Arnold but I laughed out loud a couple of times. :p

als463 01-06-2010 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ProBlack (Post 1881303)
...Once again...I did..and didnt find anything. If you see something I missed then please, be all means, feel free to post a link.

Why would you go into a chatroom to get information regarding your thesis? Maybe you should just stick to founding your own club, "Zeus", and stay away from writing a thesis if you are going to go on GC for information regarding your topic.

sigmadiva 01-07-2010 11:59 AM

You all are being so nice. I think that this is her coy and sly way of asking about membership info. ;)

Munchkin03 01-07-2010 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1882029)
Bob Barr looks like some of the men in my family. That's neither here nor there, though.

Race is a human invention and I'm more humored over what "being Black" means outside of America than over the Blacks who are passing in America. Either way, the websites that are insisting Barr publicly identifies with a race is similar (not the same as) insisting on forcing people "out of the closet" regarding sexual orientation. If people are nonwhite and know it, they may be hiding it for a reason...oh well...let them do their thing. Just don't expect us to come to your aid when you are found to have a double life that included multiple mistresses, none of whom are Caucablasian. :)

When Anatole Broyard was exposed by Henry Louis Gates after his death (although his racial background had been discussed well before that), I didn't understand how because he looks just like my dad.

Funny that, racial identity thing.


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