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als463 01-05-2010 02:52 PM

WTH is wrong w/ people?
 
I hope this is where I should put the link. I'm asking that everyone sign this petition. Some people think it is okay to hurt animals, yet they get upset when those animal abusers become serial killers! Well, serial killers start out this way. People like this should be shot.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/6/dem...ice-for-buddys

DrPhil 01-05-2010 03:01 PM

I no longer sign petitions and join causes without reading up on them (not like it really matters either way). I learned a huge lesson from Jena 6.

"We the undersigned urge the court in Denver, Colorado to give Steven Clay Romero, the man charged in the dragging death on December 30, 2009 of a German Shepherd named Buddy behind his truck for three miles the maximum penalty of three years in federal prison, $100,000 fine and one year probation for this horrific crime. Do not let this crime go unpunished for the horrible death of an innocent dog. Given Mr. Romero's past criminal record, we feel he is a menace to society and this dragging death is only the beginning of what could lead to future unimaginable and tragic consequences."

als463 01-05-2010 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1881057)
I no longer sign petitions and join causes without reading up on them (not like it really matters either way). I learned a huge lesson from Jena 6.

"We the undersigned urge the court in Denver, Colorado to give Steven Clay Romero, the man charged in the dragging death on December 30, 2009 of a German Shepherd named Buddy behind his truck for three miles the maximum penalty of three years in federal prison, $100,000 fine and one year probation for this horrific crime. Do not let this crime go unpunished for the horrible death of an innocent dog. Given Mr. Romero's past criminal record, we feel he is a menace to society and this dragging death is only the beginning of what could lead to future unimaginable and tragic consequences."

I agree with the bolded statement, though. Many serial killers start out with killing animals. People shake their heads and ask what went wrong when they find a person who killed tons of people. People wait until AFTER people are killed to make a difference and put a monster away. Maybe those murderers wouldn't get that far if we took care of them when they killed/ tortured animals. It reminds me of that girl who put the cat in the oven. That b**** deserves to die. Yeah, I said it.

As far as the Jena 6 goes-I don't know what you are talking about. What did the petition say? I think they should have all served time in prison.

DrPhil 01-05-2010 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881074)
It reminds me of that girl who put the cat in the oven. That b**** deserves to die. Yeah, I said it.

She deserves to die for putting a damn cat in the oven? Hmmm...more like, she deserves counseling and rehabilitative efforts.

Throwing people in prison for killing and torturing animals will not keep them from becoming serial killers (or commiting other crimes) if these people aren't counseled and don't have social support mechanisms.

epchick 01-05-2010 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881074)
That b**** deserves to die. Yeah, I said it.

:eek: Wow...seriously? That's pretty ridiculous to condemn someone to death for killing a cat. Geez.


I've ran over & killed squirrels before. So should I die? Am I gonna be a serial killer now? (sorry to the agd's....i didn't mean to kill them lol)

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1881076)
She deserves to die for putting a damn cat in the oven? Hmmm...more like, she deserves counseling and rehabilitative efforts.

Throwing people in prison for killing and torturing animals will not keep them from becoming serial killers (or commiting other crimes) if these people aren't counseled and don't have social support mechanisms.


I completely agree!

WVU alpha phi 01-05-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1881076)
She deserves to die for putting a damn cat in the oven? Hmmm...more like, she deserves counseling and rehabilitative efforts.

Throwing people in prison for killing and torturing animals will not keep them from becoming serial killers (or commiting other crimes) if these people aren't counseled and don't have social support mechanisms.

It'll keep them from becoming serial killers if they aren't released from prison. If they want to kill their fellow prisoners, fine by me.

Someone should stick cat-girl in the oven and see how she likes it. I have ZERO sympathy for people who hurt innocent animals.

Senusret I 01-05-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1881079)
I've ran over & killed squirrels before. So should I die? Am I gonna be a serial killer now? (sorry to the agd's....i didn't mean to kill them lol)


You are a damn fool, epchick. lol

als463 01-05-2010 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1881079)
:eek: Wow...seriously? That's pretty ridiculous to condemn someone to death for killing a cat. Geez.

I've ran over & killed squirrels before. So should I die? Am I gonna be a serial killer now? (sorry to the agd's....i didn't mean to kill them lol)



I completely agree!

Okay...So, maybe that was a bit harsh. I don't think she should have gotten just 6 months probation for it. She walked out of the court room laughing. I think something needs to be done to these people (teenagers or not).

No, epchick...you don't deserve to die. You are not a serial killer (lol) at least, not that I know of? You're not-right?

I feel like people don't give a damn about animal abuse and they just shrug it off....It really pisses me off! Aside from hitting something accidentally with your car (I've done it and cried), there is NO excuse for going around torturing or killing animals.

DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WVU alpha phi (Post 1881083)
It'll keep them from becoming serial killers if they aren't released from prison. If they want to kill their fellow prisoners, fine by me.

Clever.

This is why the penal system and society are so jacked up.

DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:06 PM

als463, you're cool as a fan but you sound like one of those loony PETA people who are willing to harm humans to further their agendas. The hypocrisy of that is overwhelming.

Kevin 01-05-2010 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881086)
I feel like people don't give a damn about animal abuse and they just shrug it off....It really pisses me off! Aside from hitting something accidentally with your car (I've done it and cried), there is NO excuse for going around torturing or killing animals.

Hypocrite test:

Are you a vegan?

als463 01-05-2010 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1881091)
Hypocrite test:

Are you a vegan?

Damn it, Kevin. Come on...No. You caught me. Dr.Phil, I am not a loony PETA member. What is weird about them is that they got in trouble for killing animals, themselves. That was hypocricy at its best.

Let me try this again, Kevin. Damn it-I knew an Attorney would call me out, lol. Okay. If you go around abusing/ torturing animals, then you deserve bad things to happen to you. I won't say what because I don't like to say they should be treated the same way they treated that animal was (since it is disgusting), but society should try and remedy the situation.

Kevin 01-05-2010 04:18 PM

Do you have any idea what animals have to go through to put meat on your table?

It ain't pleasant or pretty. If you have a strong stomach, there's plenty of slaughterhouse video on the internet. I wouldn't recommend you watch it though.

Or are dogs just more deserving of the protection of the law than pigs because dogs are pets?

DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:21 PM

LOL als463 is so fun. :p

"I won't poke a cow's eye out but I'll eat the hell outta its ass if it's cooked the right way. It's okay because I don't eat cat and therefore wouldn't put one in the oven."

als463 01-05-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1881102)
Do you have any idea what animals have to go through to put meat on your table?

It ain't pleasant or pretty. If you have a strong stomach, there's plenty of slaughterhouse video on the internet. I wouldn't recommend you watch it though.

Or are dogs just more deserving of the protection of the law than pigs because dogs are pets?

I think there is a difference between killing an animal for food and torturing/ abusing it for fun. Don't get me wrong. If I had a dog (which I don't now because my apt. complex doesn't allow pets), if there was no meat left and my family was starving (famine-like circumstances), I would find the most humane way of making him our meal. It sucks, but it is true. Some people hurt animals for fun. Those people don't deserve to be oxygen thieves.

DaemonSeid 01-05-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1881102)

Or are dogs just more deserving of the protection of the law than pigs because dogs are pets?


Ask Michael Vick*










*that sound you hear is probably a can of worms that's opening with Michael Vick and dogs being mentioned within the same vicinity of this thread.

als463 01-05-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1881108)
Ask Michael Vick

Good Lord. Please don't bring that Monster's name up. He sickens me. In fact, as a Pennsylvanian, I used to cheer on the Eagles. I had a friend who played for them and one of my sisters is their PR rep. Needless to say, I am now a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.

People like MV disgust me.

DaemonSeid 01-05-2010 04:26 PM

I knew it.

DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:27 PM

Oh gross als463 would eat the family dog if her family was hiding from a world of zombies (zombies make it more interesting) and couldn't leave the house.

That's just gross and I pray that you will stock up on nonperishables starting TODAY. Transgenders in office mean that Dawn of the Dead is coming sooner than later.

als463 01-05-2010 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1881110)
I knew it.

Well...ya' did open up the can of worms. You acknowledged it. He sickens me, but all people who abuse animals do. So, he should not feel so special.

als463 01-05-2010 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1881111)
Oh gross als463 would eat the family dog if her family was hiding from a world of zombies (zombies make it more interesting) and couldn't leave the house.

That's just gross and I pray that you will stock up on nonperishables starting TODAY. Transgenders in office mean that Dawn of the Dead is coming sooner than later.

Hey....Come on...Don't hate on me for that! Don't lie, DrPhil. You would too. I guess there was no NICE or EASY way of saying that.

The point I am trying to make is this: People who kill animals for food is VERY different than people who kill animals as a means of entertainment.

DaemonSeid 01-05-2010 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881112)
Well...ya' did open up the can of worms. You acknowledged it. He sickens me, but all people who abuse animals do. So, he should not feel so special.

I don't think it's a point of him "feeling special" but hey making that kind of money doing what he does will net you all kinds of wrong media attention when you mess up.

Just ask Tiger Woods ;):D*












*See how we aren't talking Vick anymore?

DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:31 PM

What about people kill insects and small frogs and lizards rather than letting them out of the house or bypassing them? You can swat a fly or you can hug it and let it outside like a monk does.

als463 01-05-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1881118)
What about people kill insects and small frogs and lizards rather than letting them out of the house or bypassing them? You can swat a fly or you can hug it and let it outside like a monk does.

Hmmmmm....how do you hug a fly?

Come on, guys. There is a big difference between dragging a dog by a rope from a moving truck and killing an insect that gets inside your house. Stick to that, if possible.

ThetaDancer 01-05-2010 04:33 PM

ALS: Who wrote the petition? It's not really worded very well and personally, it keeps me from taking it all that seriously. I don't mean to say the crime isn't serious, I just mean that I generally give more credit to things that are well-written than things that aren't.

als463 01-05-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ThetaDancer (Post 1881121)
ALS: Who wrote the petition? It's not really worded very well and personally, it keeps me from taking it all that seriously. I don't mean to say the crime isn't serious, I just mean that I generally give more credit to things that are well-written than things that aren't.

ThetaDancer, don't worry. I know what you mean. I admit (and I need to put this in my "Do you Judge" thread) that when I see poor grammar, I don't take things too seriously. I was just invited by a friend on FB. I then signed it-without looking at the grammar that much. I'm sorry, I do not really know who wrote it. It is unfortunate that stupidity could turn people off to signing. I'm not saying YOU, I'm saying that there are many people out there who think like us that would NOT sign for that very reason, understandably.

epchick 01-05-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881106)
I think there is a difference between killing an animal for food and torturing/ abusing it for fun.

Is there a difference? Or is there only a different (like others have said) when it is a certain type of animal?

Have you seen some of those slaughterhouse videos? Some of those animals ARE tortured for fun and then killed for food. Can the farmers (or whoever does the slaughtering) remove the pig ears and chicken beaks AFTER the animals are dead? Of course. Do they? no. Chickens' beaks and pigs ears are cut off while the animals are still alive.

Cows, pigs, etc are not exempt from cruelty just because they are as cute as dogs and cats. The rules should apply for EVERY animal.



ETA: I understand what you mean about cruelty to animals, I agree with you as well (although not to that extreme extent though) but sometimes people forget about other animals aside from dogs, cats, bunnies and the other domesticated animals.

DaemonSeid 01-05-2010 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881119)
Hmmmmm....how do you hug a fly?

Come on, guys. There is a big difference between dragging a dog by a rope from a moving truck and killing an insect that gets inside your house. Stick to that, if possible.

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DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881119)
Hmmmmm....how do you hug a fly?

wow--are you serious? :confused:

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881119)
Come on, guys. There is a big difference between dragging a dog by a rope from a moving truck and killing an insect that gets inside your house. Stick to that, if possible.

We don't have to stick to anything. What you consider a big difference doesn't have to translate to everyone else.

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by als463 (Post 1881119)
Come on, guys. There is a big difference between dragging a dog by a rope from a moving truck and killing an insect that gets inside your house. Stick to that, if possible.

Says you.

Flies and geckos serve a purpose. If I don't kill them, should I condemn you for killing them?

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1881131)
wow--are you serious? :confused:

Flies need love, too :(

http://www.vashtie.com/blog/wp-conte...e_fly-1986.jpg

DaemonSeid 01-05-2010 04:45 PM

Damn


Dude


I hate you right now.

als463 01-05-2010 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1881131)
wow--are you serious? :confused:



We don't have to stick to anything. What you consider a big difference doesn't have to translate to everyone else.

Okay, so apparently I was not successful in my attempt to make a joke. Sorry. It was really just a joke.

Anyway, I was just asking what people think of abuse of animals. Epchick made a great point that people forget about other animals that are not domesticated. Thank you, Epchick for pointing that out. That is very true.

Please everyone keep going. This is a very good discussion. It really opens my eyes to the things other people brought up. I didn't really even think about cutting pig ears off while they are alive. That is true.

One thing that grosses me out, while we are on the topic, is lobster. Maybe I am ignorant, but would throwing them into a pot of boiling water after they are dead make them taste different or something? Why can't they be killed before being thrown into that pot? I was thinking that when I watched Jersey Shore the other night.

agzg 01-05-2010 04:54 PM

I am not signing the petition for the simple fact that I believe that sentencing is best left to Judges.

Also, I would not eat my dog. Not like he'd harvest much meat, anyway.

knight_shadow 01-05-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by agzg (Post 1881142)
Also, I would not eat my dog. Not like he'd harvest much meat, anyway.

That made me hungry.

http://churchfun.com/images/wp/hotdog.jpg

DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:56 PM

oh no

DaemonSeid 01-05-2010 04:56 PM

I steam lobster. In beer. Tastes better.

epchick 01-05-2010 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1881143)


YUMMMMMMY!!! lol

DrPhil 01-05-2010 04:58 PM

Lobster and crab are only to be steamed LIVE in beer.

It's a family tradition for me. :)

als463 01-05-2010 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1881147)
YUMMMMMMY!!! lol

Holy Geez...What a cute ass picture of that dog. It is pretty funny. I'm gonna' show that to my boyfriend. Yep, I did it again. I lol'd. Wow.

Still, I hope people don't think I go around eating house pets for fun. Gross.

So, explain-if anyone knows. Why do they cook lobsters that way???


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