SFSU Students Take Over Building in Protest
 

This is going on right now: http://www.kcbs.com/pages/5854198.ph...tentId=5195873

I was going to :rolleyes: because EVERY school has tuition increases and nothing can be done about inflation. However, according to the school website, tuition right now is between $1167-$2013 (depending on how many credits you have). If they really are hiking tuition from $1167 to $2300 then, yes, that's unreasonable.

That's not unreasonable at all. California has always had ridiculous subsidies for higher ed. Californians can now take out student loans like the rest of the country.

Not unreasonable? They are doubling tuition from one semester to another.

^^^You just said it--the state is broke. Not just the government, but the residents as well. Sure, everyone's tuition goes up but doubled? That may very well drive DOWN the number of enrolled students and then were will the school be?

And we take out plenty of loans, thanks. Sallie Mae hounds Californians just like the rest of the country.

Nothing on the news has been updated (at least not what I'm looking at) so I guess they're still in there. A couple hours ago, the police said they would just let them stay in there for awhile and not get confrontational.

anybody else get a MMITY moment?

Something was fishy and I couldn't put my finger on it, but now you mention it...

And I just realized the name. Kish?

In most other places, tuition is MUCH higher than this. It's either force kids to take out loans so they can get higher paying jobs or take food or cut other vital infrastructure, primary/secondary ed or health and human services programs when those programs have been cut to the bone.

Or California could simply start denying benefits to illegals...

Oh I understand that other states are much higher. But I don't see the logic in forcing somebody to shell out twice as much mid year. If they were going to jump that much they should have at least waited until the next academic year at least IMO.

For reals! When I was in school in CA, it cost around $3000 for the whole YEAR (and I was in school right across the bay from SFSU) and that was if you took 6+ credits. So it didn't matter if it was 12, 14, 16, etc units it was all $3000.

At my school in TX, it's around $3000 each SEMESTER (for a minimal amount of credits) and then it's like almost $200 more for each additional credit. So 12, 14, 16 credits are all varying amounts.

So when I hear about a bunch of these protests or even people from my old school (in CA) complaining, I just just :rolleyes: cause I paid double in 1 year what they pay,

Then what other program would you cut? Or would you stop giving entitlements to illegals?

The state budget has a finite supply of cash. When you're subsidizing higher ed at a significantly higher rate than other states, it's not a hard decision as to where the cut needs to be made -- especially when federally subsidized loans are available to pay for these things.

Really, the other 49 states are looking at these California students and thinking that they area bunch of spoiled douches. A whole $3000 per semester?? That'd be a bargain anywhere these days.

Pretty much.

I don't think it particularly matters what the other states think because this isn't happening to other states. (Or rather other SCHOOLS, not every CA university has tuition that low). Other schools are used to tuition being $4,000/$5,000/$6,000 a semester. SFSU students have grown accustomed to this price and that is what they set their budgets around, that is what they have become capable of. To hike tuition by THAT much forces them so far beyond their many if not most cannot possibly cope. On average, college tuition goes up 8% a year and people have a hard time with that--I'm not saying one school's tuition should or should not stay lower than the national average, but a sharp 100% increase would throw anybody into a tailspin.

California students can take out loans just like everyone else. Sorry, but I have zero sympathy for them.

Also, their situation isn't unique. Schools all over the country, many with MUCH higher tuition, are implementing increases. Sure, they may not be as obviously drastic, but when you combine it with a twofold increase in fees, increases in room and board, etc., it adds up.

Can anybody name another school anywhere where the cost will go up 100% in one academic semester?

This. (even though I hate it when people say "this" it really just sums it up here)

The cost of education is going up everywhere, and even with the tuition hike this is still comparatively a very affordable education.

I also hated that until I started doing it.

Tuition goes up, some more drastically than others. It is their right to protest. At the end of the day, the tuition will still go up unless the protestors have other bright ideas. Whether or not enrollment and retention suffers because of it is something that most colleges and universities pay people to keep an eye on.

Ugh, I hope I don't make a habit of it :D

The cost of living in San Francisco is ridiculous, and as a native San Franciscan if I wanted to attend any area schools I would have had to live at home, and even that cost was higher than going out of state for one year an changing my residency to Idaho. Registering my car is cheaper here, as well as my insurance.

http://www.sfsu.edu/~finaid/newcost.html

For a full time student living on their own with in state tuition it will cost $22,830 for a year.

Perhaps these students might be interested in transferring to the University of Idaho because with the Western Undergraduate Exchange (WUE) they'd pay 2,000 less a year and be able to live somewhere decent and walk or bike to school at $20,946. Our sales tax is also lower, but it isn't hard to get a two bedroom apartment for $500 a month within walking distance and utilities aren't much.

http://www.uidaho.edu/futurestudents...ttendance.aspx

There's even a guaranteed transfer scholarship of $3,000 to be paid over two years with a 3.3 and 30 credits completed. There's a whole section with transfer courses and the amount of scholarships are insane, most of my friends are debt free or close to it for their BA/BS and even graduate school has a lot to give, especially engineering.

http://www.uidaho.edu/futurestudents...olarships.aspx


See you soon California students, don't forget to pack winter clothes but with the amount of money you'll save you can buy one as well as gloves, a hat, and snow boots with the money you'll be saving. We're also playing in the Humanitarian Bowl if you want to meet us in Boise, bet you could carpool to Moscow.

This.

Why does this keep getting repeated as if CA students don't take out loans? :confused: The cost of living is so high (especially in SF and other metro areas) that pretty much all income goes to food, gas, bills, and rent. Unless you're in a JC or got a full ride, I hear (from friends who stayed local) that a loan seems to be a must.

Well that's what happens when you choose to live and go to school in a place where the cost of living is so high.

I almost did...but I couldn't think of any UNCF jokes....sorry.

^^^^^^^

maybe if illegals stop making low riders out of their car, or illegally street race and use that money for school they could afford it.



Hmmm.....Vito, how's that?

Here in Texas, after the state deregulated tuition, we have had huge tuition increases, but our tuition is still below that of what they consider "peer institutions".

At UT, the average per semester cost of education, counting tuition and fees, rose 57%, from $2,721 in 2003 to $4,266 in 2008.

Here's the trend since deregulation:

Fall 2004 Fall 2005 Fall 2006 Fall 2007 Fall 2008 Fall 2009
$3,500 $3,643 $4,012 $4,065 $4,254 $4,468

My son's tuition and fees for spring 2010 are $4,950 (business major).

You add in the high cost of living in Austin, and it's costing me $25000 (not counting fraternity dues ;)) for him to attend yearly, and I still feel I'm getting a bargain. Thank heavens he didn't choose Notre Dame :).

It sounds to me like California is just coming up to standards nationwide. I believe Florida is being faced with the same dilemna, either decrease the standards or increase the tuition.

Florida's charts:

http://www.ir.ufl.edu/factbook/vi-05_hist.pdf

(boy, UF is still a bargain for instate kids!!)

Horrible wording aside, I agree that this underlying premise is a piece to the puzzle. Thus is the nature of (although impure) capitalism.


I should've gotten a California student to pay my student loans. :D

ITT: We can tell who goes to school in California.

I rest my case.

Finally! A black that takes care of her kids!

I was afraid we'd never find one.

Yeah and you know they all have different daddies...I swear if poor black women stop giving their kids names that that start with La and end with Sha they can get out of the projects and manage a McDonalds or be a bus driver.

Look at Florida Evans!

Just an FYI, but SFSU's tuition is not going up by 100%. I'm basing all this on the tuition for 6.1 units+ (because 12 units is considered full-time, not 6.1)

Tuition is $2,013.00

Bringing the tuition to $2300-2400 is NOT 100%. These students are complaining about an extra $300-400 dollars.

ETA: It even says on the website that shows tuition, that the first hike in tuition prices was 10% for the Fall 2009 school year. Really? Protests over a 10% hike?

What the EFF?! This is what I read in the New York Times about it:

"Along with indignation over budget cuts, a blog listing the protesters’ demands included forgiveness of all student loans and ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. With demands far beyond the purview of school administrators, negotiations with the students was nearly impossible, Ms. Griffin said."

Seriously? Shut up kids.

^^^^ I know. What a bunch of spoiled brats.

Ok so I stand corrected. 10% increase is nothing.

cosign.

LOL. Thank you for posting that. After a really long day at work, that was the comedic relief I needed.

About the price it cost for me to attend a college that was not in California. :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: I have no words. None. This is where I need PB to come in with the speech that starts with "blank stare" and ends with "jokers."
I wouldn't say nothing, but it makes a heck of a lot more sense. Thanks for posting that, epchick, that's much more proportional.

And for the record, colleges increase tuition at about an average of 6% every year, so with the way things are its really not much higher than the normal tuition increase from year to year.