Pig Parties
 

My dad was telling me about an old tradition in his fraternity. They had a party every year, where the object was to bring the ugliest date there. There was some prize for the winner, a bottle of liquor or something.

Has anyone else heard of this? Do houses still do it?

Before I get flamed, let me note that I have no intentions of suggesting this to my chapter, it is just morbid curiosity that makes me ask.

Haven't heard of that but I have heard of people cut out a entrances for girls and if they can fit thru it they can't get in.

Sad but true
 

The fraternity I hung out with the most had a "troll party" every year where the brother/pledge with the least attractive date won a prize. I never did condone this and I certainly don't now; I think it is terrible. Remember though, this was eons ago and I seriously doubt whether this still goes on.

I have never heard of a party for those reasons. I would assume the women would catch on sooner or later....

I have seen awards given out at Formals and such about the same...a bit imature is an understatement!

I've never heard of a "pig party" like that -- how terrible for those girls!!

My dad told me that his fraternity used to have a "red-headed formal" every year where the brothers were told that morning to find a girl with red hair to bring to a dance taking place that night.

My dad went to a school that was, at the time, made up almost completely of men so the brothers had to really scramble to find a girl to take to the dance. Of course, the girls didn't know the real reason they were being asked --- although I'm sure it became very obvious the moment they arrived at the party.

This type of party is no longer done by my dad's fraternity at his alma mater, thank goodness! How cruel to let a girl think you're interested in her when she is really just the butt of a joke!:eek:

While I agree a pig party is offensive, I dont see this one as bad, particularly as I'm partial to redheads. I think the key would be to find a girl you're interested in who just happens to have red hair. Would non natural redheads count for this btw?

Yeah. Red hair on girls is pretty. Especially when its curly, and sometimes a strand or two will fall out of place, and the curls are on their cheek, and you brush out of the way for them. Well, you try to, then she reminds you she has a boyfriend. And he's so much better than you cuz he lives Califronia and is a lawyer and was top of his class at UVA law school. OOOOOO wow. LIke i couldn't top that.

I agree, GmuTeke, it's definitely not as bad as a pig party. The only thing I disagree with about the concept is that the girls weren't told why they were being asked to the dance. They assumed that the guys were really interested in them (I'm sure some were, but others definitely weren't), and found out once they arrived that any girl with red hair would suffice as a date. I would feel terrible if it were me!

(btw: yes, I think non-natural redheads would have counted) :D

I dont knoe about Pig parties, but I have heard of a loser party, where you invite the not so popular fraternities and sororities on campus without letting on to what it was. This guy in a frat we alwasy hung with got up and told hi soanish class they were having one and what "loser orgs." he was inviting. He happen to mention ours and one of my new sisters was in his class. He didnt know she was an AGD though. Lets just say it wasnt pretty when we found out (we were far from one of the "loser" ones on campus). Anyways no one showed up to the party from any sorority or fraternity or GDI's. Just goes to show who the real losers are when you throw parties like that.

No pig parties here, although one of our fraternities on campus used to put numbers on the backs of girls' hands when they came to parties to signal how attractive they are, with 1 being the lowest and 5 being the highest...found that out after I pledged. Oh the joys :) I got a 4, so I was ok :)

No pig parties here. We have to register all parties with the school. I don't think the concept of inviting only ugly girls would go over so well with the greek administrators. I have heard rumors that some of the fraternities have lists of the good-looking girls from each sorority. They also have a seperate lists where each brother writes down the name of the sorority girl they hooked-up with. It's almost like their brag list. I really hope that's not true. :rolleyes:

i have nothing to do at work which is why im posting alot, but there was a frat that gave wrist bands to good looking girls so they could get back in to the party (this was after the whole greek system down fall with the Courtney Cantor incident im sure you all know about) well i went with my roomates and a guy put one on me, my roomate after me didnt get one and she looked at me and asked me if i was special or something..... So ive heard of keeping tabs on pretty girls and crap.

I also know onw frat at their meetings holds a bragging session and all the guys write down and talked about who they hooked up with over the weekend. :mad:

[QUOTE][i]They also have a seperate lists where each brother writes down the name of the sorority girl they hooked-up with. It's almost like their brag list. I reallyhope that's not true. [QUOTE]

I doubt they would be dumb enough to write it down but heck most guys in general like to brag who they been with.

hrmmm...if a guy will have no shame in bragging...chances are..he might not have shame in writing it down..i dunno...never heard of that before...that's just plain disrespect

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Umm, how would you determine if they are "natural" or not? Wait, don't answer that.

"this was after the whole greek system down fall with the Courtney Cantor incident im sure you all know about"

What's this? There is a girl who I know that is pledging and her name is courtney cantor... hummm....

mr belvidere
 

I remember a mr. belvidere episode where this happened. chad lowe played the older brother - forgive me cant remember the name - and his fraternity had a "pig party," Anyone else see the episode?

that scared me to death bout a greek system - havent encountered anything like that in real life though

It's another Courtney Cantor. The one UMgirl referred to was a student at UM, a pledge of a sorority a few years ago, who unfortunately fell to her death. :(

Good memory!! This is the episode you are talking about.
"THE INITIATION "
Because of Kevin's desire to join a Fraternity, he agrees to wear women's clothes and to bring the worst looking girl to the frat party called the annual "Bowser Ball".
Guest stars Nancy Cartwright, the "voice" of Bart Simpson

LMAO :D

33girl, you would have to go there :) Man, I love you :)

If I remember correctly, there was also a Married...With Children episode that dealt with a similar theme. I think there was some society for smart people, and they had a contest to see who could bring the dumbest date, so Kelly got invited. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

We did something once called "Screw Your Sis" - the idea was that we had a date function where your big sister/little sister would pick a date for you, just like a blind date, and you wouldn't know who your date was until you arrived at the party. We all joked that we were going to "screw" each other with terrible guys, go hunt down sisters' ex-boyfriends, etc. but of course we just picked fun guy friends we had or in a few cases, guys that we knew our big/little had crushes on. The excitement was definitely in the fact though that you were really afraid of being "screwed" with a bad date. Although, even having your crush know you like him so publicly could be a little embarrassing I suppose, at least you know he can't hate you if he agreed to come!

We had screw your sister date parties as well. They were so much fun :) But nobody really got screwed, although we'd say "I'm going to find that hideous guy you hooked up with that one night at XYZ!". I know, that's harsh, but we were college kids then. In the end, we always ended up with someone we liked, and nobody really screwed anyone :) It was also really helpful for the shy girls who would never ask a guy they liked to a party. Always a good party!! I recommend it to any sisterhood who is totally cool with each other. I wouldn't advise you to do it if you have dissention in the ranks though...could get ugly :eek:

I know I might make myself unpopular for saying this but...

Ugh! This is sad. With all the uncertainty, hate and strife in the world that a party might be considered less successful because ugly girls ("pigs") dared to show up--Oh the horror!

Jen

third world thursdays
 

I was talking to alumni during homecoming and they used to have Third World Thursdays where the ugliest sorority would come over and party with us and the guys would throw money in to a pot and whoever hooked up withe the ugliest girl would win that money. Them crazy alumni

Well, a Fraternity chapter isn't doing itself much good socially if it becomes known as a group that almost always has get togethers with predominantly less attractive females. I have seen that happen and it can get to the point where you'll never see a really attractive girl show up and stay. Average girls become Goddesses at those parties.

Reputation is still a factor even in college.

I have to say that this is some of the most offensive stuff I have ever read. What is up with these guys that they are so insecure and pathetic that they feel the need to have "pig" parties or wristbands or whatever, where they are objectifying women and treating them with absolutely no respect? While such behavior is inexcusable, I don't understand why the women don't get smart and REFUSE to hang out with fraternities whose members engage in such activities. Even if you are in a "hot" sorority, you aren't doing anyone a favor by hanging out with such bottom feeding losers who would act like this toward ANY women, even if not to you. Why is it that these "men" need to constantly judge women based only upon appearance? What are they missing in their own lives -- self esteem, maybe?

I have always believed in a "sisterhood" of ALL women; whether you are attractive, popular or whatever, we all should stick together and refuse to be treated like this. Disrespect to one of us is disrespect to us all.

This kind of stuff makes me so mad. I hate to think of the harm done to the self esteem of young women by the real pigs. Grrr. :mad:

James: I hear what you're saying, and understand where you're coming from. It's the tone of his (madmax's) message that bothered me most. Ordinarily I would decline to post on such a topic, but yesterday it just struck me the wrong way. :)

Jen

You know what?
 

Personally I think that stuff like this goes too far - "Don't treat women like objects! We should band together and destroy this misogyny!"

OK . . . now, let's be honest. There are arbitarty standards of beauty in the world, and there's no way to refute this. Everyone is held to them.

The problem only arises when you make inferences as to a person's worth based upon his/her physical beauty - NOT when you compare people on subjective (or even objective) bases.

Let me draw the line in the sand for you all: THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BLESSED WITH MORE PHYSICAL 'BEAUTY' THAN OTHERS! - and another key facet - we don't need to deny this! It's not a problem to say "I'm less attractive (physically) than someone else" - this mumbo-jumbo crap that everyone has to eliminate arbitrary standards of physical attractiveness is absolutely ridiculous.

The key: learn to use other standards to judge people's worth. Everyone has value, and has something to offer - just don't make the judgement on what that is, or to what extent, based on attractiveness.

The societal dimension that has moved toward elimination of arbitrary standards of beauty is sorely misguided - how about instead we move toward an emphasis on the rounded individual, an emphasis on judging people in every way and not just in a few? This way, we remove the stigma based in looks - realistically, few people become depressive, anorexic, or exhibit signs of any other disease based solely on looks, etc. It's a worth issue - with which, in principle, physical attraction should have little to do.

So if you want to say that these men are 'pigs' for judging women based upon how they look, well, I'll respectfully dissent - they are pigs for using this as a value judgement, but not for using it as a comparative measure.

Few would get pissed if I said that Linus Pauling was an inferior scientist when compared to Isaac Newton, just like I wouldn't be upset if someone told me that I couldn't long jump as far as Carl Lewis in his prime.

Could you allow that arbitrary standards of beauty are nearly the same things? Let these guys have their "pig parties" - i think it's hypocritical to call them names for doing something we all do normally, and that is compare people based on attributes - chances are they're not doing this for the right reasons, but it's their responsibility to do this. "Looks" are the only attribute people try to make "off-limits" for discussion - I say, allow it in its fullest, just make sure it's utilized for the right reasons, and that 'value' judgements are reserved for the whole person. While the attitudes exhibited at the "Pig Party" may be immature, I'll venture to say so would be any movement to try to prevent the use of physical attractiveness as a tool for comparison between people.

Just like I can say, "You know, I really like Monet's early works far better than 'Water Lillies' . . . ", it's allowable that one can say "Rob, you're just not as physically attractive as Tom Cruise." That's certainly allowed.

Well, I agree what you're saying, to an extent. Yes, some people are more attractive than others, and it would be foolish to pretend that that is not true. Yes, I will admit that I also make judgments based on someone's appearance, i.e., I would not date someone I found unattractive, nor would I even consider it, to be completely honest. I'm not saying that attractiveness can't or shouldn't be discussed; there's nothing wrong with me sitting around all day talking about how Kobe Bryant is a total hottie, for example.

However, my probem is with the way these guys are acting, in that it is designed to make the unattractive women feel bad about themselves; it is treating people as objects used for amusement with no regard for their feelings. I also have a problem with the fact that these guys seem to be trying to build themselves up by tearing down others. That is just wrong. You can sit around with your fraternity brothers and talk about how XYZs are totally hot. You can even sit around and talk about how ABCs are gross, dorky, ugly, fat or whatever. I have no problem with any of that. I do have a problem with inviting the ABCs over for the sole purpose of making fun of them or trying to hook up with the ugliest one to win some sort of "award" or money. That is pathetic and just plain wrong. If you think the ABCs are ugly "pigs" or whatever -- don't hang out with them!

This reminds me of when I had friends over when I was in about sixth grade and there was this dorky girl that we didn't like. We invited her over and when she rang the bell, we giggled and didn't answer the door. Obviously that made her feel terrible, because she was the brunt of our cruel joke. I learned that I should never, ever treat people like that again. It's funny that I learned that in SIXTH grade, and these guys are in college and have yet to get it.

I think that what I'm saying doesn't apply only to looks. For example, I think it would be equally terrible for, say, a bunch of Mensa members to invite over people with far less intellectual ability to discuss recent Supreme Court decisions or physics or whatever, and then make fun of them when they can't follow the discussion.

DUM DAM DUM!!!
 

These people show a tremendous amount of class, third though it may be! Or some of the most class less people that I would ever want to be associated with! OR NOT:mad:

Not everyone is dead drop beautifal or built like the proverbial brick wall or the Eistein of there age group!

I am about as normal as can be! But KSig and SCard may differ with that!:D

If I have to hurt someones feelings to be a BMOC then I would be crawling on the ground like a SLUG!

I might see some PRETTY BOY doing this, but a whole Chapter :mad:

One Of My Favorite Words IS MORON and I think it would fit this situation very aptly and the supposedly the persons who would lowere themselves to this standard!

Right on and AMEN, Tom!
 

Well said!

Jen

Well put - that's pretty much my point too, just venting on the social stigma applied to meteing out 'attractiveness' standards.

People are retarded - I'm comfortable just leaving it at that, and I'd say it applies here too. No reason to ever intentionally make someone feel poorly about themselves.

So much damage from a party like this... No person goes through life without a label attached to them be it pretty, smart, funny,
gross etc. It's easier to lump people in a category than to really get to know them. What you find attractive, another may find as
plain. People can act like sheep and if someone in the "in crowd" proclaims another to be dull or ugly or fun and gorgeous it can become the label that person lives with until they leave that environment.It happens all through life starting with who you will sit by in grade school to who you invite to join your foursome as an adult. It will never end. If everyone in your group(but you) thinks someone is a "geek", will you go against popular opinion? I never was attracted to the bulging bicepts type but many of my friends were. I liked a different physique and found intelligence the most sexy quality a person could possess. My friends came from ALL walks of life and while others categorized them, it didn't matter to me. So, I would say, it's up to individuals to change. When you have a pack mentality as illustrated by parties of this nature, recognize it for what it is. It is a fact of life. It's up to you
to walk away and/or stand up for what you know is right and KIND. As a side note, if anyone had invited me to a party like that, well-"HELL HATH NO FURY..."

Just remember, the Tri LAMBDAS WON in the revenge of the Nerds!!!!:D

My Heros only second to Delta Tau Chi at Faber!!!!!!

Cogito Ergo Sum

Not I Think I be Cool!

To resolve all this...
 

Perhaps the Mensa members should invite the people giving the pig party over. Talk about turning the tables.

But the whole concept sounds like a lot of fun doesn't it? And if it was done to me because I was out of shape or whatever. I would probbaly work really hard at becoming in good shape . . . the best revenge is living well.

The (insert sarcasm here) most popular sorority on my campus does something similar. They have a wall in their house where they have little cut-out paper men which have on them the names of guys they have hooked up with. IMHO, this is disgusting! I'm all about women's lib or whatever, but I think that a woman can be liberated and classy at the same time.

There is a French movie from a couple of years ago, I think it was called "The Dinner Club" or something like that, where a group of men meets for dinner and has to bring the _____iest date. While the premise is rather sick the movie is quite entertaining.

Laura