Juanita Bynum
 

The sista was on TBN yesterday. At first I didn't recognize her, but that voice had me caught up ALL in the TV.

Anyway, she told her beliefs regarding the incidents of Sept. 11 and took it to a whole 'nother level. I was truly feeling her. While she spoke, she continued to "touch" on certain things. I had heard that she had broken away from TD Jakes. And from what she "touched" on yesterday, it kind of enlightened me as to what the "issue(s)" was.

Does anyone know officially why she "split" from "him"?

What is TBN?

I'm interested in knowing what happened, myself... 2D, email me and let me know what you think based on what she "touched" on.

TBN is a religious cable channel. This one lady is always on there, she has this BIGGGGGGG hair :eek:. I call it the cotton candy lady,because her hair is sooooooo big and then it is PINK sometimes or Light Blue. :eek:

I don't know if all cable systems carry it, but I know here and at "home" they do.


Basically, she said the incidents from Sept. 11 were a wake up call. It is bigger than the terrorism, the retalliation, etc. She basically said that God does things in ORDER and this was in his DIVINE ORDER. Also she said that those that had those 6-figure salaries, SOME of them didn't really have a relationship with God and that God does things to get your attention. Now from that, she went on to say that even though these tragedies occurred, that there are some who still will NOT come to the Lord.

I "was feeling" what she said.'

She touched on some things that I thought may have been "punches" at a certain or certain "people of the cloth" ;)

She's so right. It saddens me to hear some of my unsaved associates with $$ still say Sunday after Sunday "Man, I couldn't make it to church because I don't have any church shoes"... or "I didn't have a dress to wear".

I can only hope that He'll use me to witness & minister to them so that they will come before it's too late.

Religion as a Rouse
 

I don't think Juanita Bynum's comments are too well thought out.
So often people use religion as a smoke screen. I don't think God would take the lives of innocent people, many of who were very reliogious to make a statement. Nor, do I think this was His way of getting peoples attention. People who WANT to be in Christ are, and those who DON'T continue on their ways. It is unfair to say that this tragedy happened because a few people are not religious. People have just as much right to be non-religious as those who chose to be religious. It is a personal choice.

Also, remember guys Ms. Bynum's comment are from a business persons prospective. Doesn't she have a ministry? ;)
Read between the lines!

Is this the lady that does those "No More Sheets" tours? BTW, I attended The Potters House this summer (Jakes' church in TX) and I was NOT impressed.

Convinced
 

Juanita Bynum does do the "No More Sheets" Tour (and has a book)...I've seen The Potter's House on T.V., why were you not impressed?

not impressed
 

Well, T.D. wasn't there, which was a big disappointment. Then, when they took up the offering, the lady was like: Uh, Uh, I want to see some twentys up in here. Hold up your twenty in the air. I was like, lord jesus, what in the world!

Re: Religion as a Rouse
 

I understand what you are saying. However, I didn't take it that way.
I personally don't believe that the events of 09/11 was an act of God. What happened on that day was born out of evil.

God is love in every personification of the word! I do believe that He has the power to take an absolutely horrible situation, and deliver the good. It is a shame that thousands had to lose their lives because of evil, but it is a blessing for the multitude of those who accepted Christ into their lives as a result of it.

Re: Re: Religion as a Rouse
 

Why does everything that happens that's bad have to be born of evil? God does have wrath. I don't know, I'm not saying this was an act of God, but I'm not going to say it wasn't, either. If he can wipe out LIFE with a flood, a few thousand isn't bad. He did destroy entire cities. I don't know, I'm just not too quick to say this isn't God's work. This could have been done out of love, and we just don't know it yet. We don't know what the end is going to be, so we can't really judge the beginning, at least I don't think so. We have to wait until the book ends, heck, we're only on chapter 2.

If nothing else, this whole thing makes us think, really. Osama is a religious man, whether we think he leads a cult or not. So he feels he's doing what God commands him. To him, these acts were acts of God, not evil. Who's right?

Thank God for FAITH, right?

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AMEN!

What does HE say about VENGENCE? (where's my dictionary? ;)) :p

The Wrath of God
 

AKAME292

You touched upon something that I had not even thought about. The Wrath of God! Certainly. Okay, now I have to go back and ponder that one for a moment. I'll be back:) ....

I feel that God is not in any CONFUSION. No, MD, God did not CAUSE those tragedies to occur. However, it is my firm belief that he ALLOWS things to happen. You see, if you remember the story of Job, the devil had to go to God and ASK to bring those things on Job. The devil was saying that if God would give him the opportunity to test Job, then surely Job would curse the name of God and lose his faith. It was all a test of Job's faith. And because God KNEW that Job was a loyal and faithful servant, he told the devil to go ahead and take your best shot.

These are the signs of the times, Saints. And yes, I do believe that God does ALLOWS some things to happen in order to get our attention and test our faith and trust in Him.

It was a great tragedy that thousands of people had to die on September the 11th. But you better believe that it's an even GREATER tragedy that people don't know nor do they want to know the Lord.

The incidents that occurred on that day were truly evil and the people who did this (and the ones who conspired with them) have a GREAT and TERRIBLE God that they must answer to. Just remember that the devil can only do what God ALLOWS him to do. This IS the time to get to know the Lord if you don't know Him.

God Bless Everyone

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Soror Ideal08,

I've been thinking about your response for a couple of days now. You are absolutely right, God does have wrath. However, he is also precise. I don't believe God would have haphazardly destroyed thousands of innocent people. When he "wiped out LIFE with a flood", he also saved the only family that wasn't corrupt. When He sent his angels to destroy Sodom and Gomorah (sp?), He also spared the lives of Lot and his family for the same reason.

I don't know. I'm not a Bible scholar. We all have, and are entitled to, our own beliefs. This is just my own opion.:)

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Soror, point well taken.

I remeber growing up whenever something tragic happened to "good" or "innocent" people, I would hear grown-ups "justify" it by saying God only takes his own, or that God is trying to get someone else's attention. However, I can't say that all those people had a personal relationship with Him.:( So, I honestly don't know what to think.

I do agree with what Ideal said earlier. Sometimes we need a wake up call. How many times have y'all experienced an overflowing church during Christmas time and on Easter Sunday? Some folks act like church is only twice a year!:eek: You don't see them at any other time of the year, but they show up on holidays. Ok... I'm getting off the subject. The point I'm trying to make is as a nation we need to remember to put God first in our lives. Now, how long will it last?

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I agree totally. I think this is what Juanita was saying on that show.

LMAO! The preachers call them CME, you see them only for Christmas, Mother's Day and Easter Sundays. Like those 3 Sundays will get you into the Gates.

:D

LMAO!

Well, now
 

...even folks who attend church every Sunday, bible study on Wednesday, usher rehearsal on Tuesday and choir practice on Saturday won't be guaranteed a place in heaven, my pastor always says that he would rather you stay at home and sleep in then show up to church acting like you don't want to be there...
and korkscru, I loved your point about Job...it was on point.

Juanita Bynum was on Oh Drama tonight. She was promoting her "No More Sheets" book. I really wasn't impressed by her, some of the stuff that she said conflicted with things I read in the Bible, IMHO.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I guess I won't be buying THAT book.

Pretty Petite, as someone who has read the book, No More Sheets, what things did you think conflicted with what is in the Bible?

Well I have heard some of her sermons--each person has their calling-- like prison ministry. I really can not identify with some of the siuations that she describes-- but I feel that there are those that need to hear her message--(i was not too impressed either at first). But this is how I feel that God wants me to see things

well, I don't know if this is in the book, but at one point she said that divorce is a sin...then 15 minutes later she was like, her divorce wasn't a sin because her husband left her. She said other things, but that was the one that really stood out. She just seemed to give off this "holier than thou" attitude.

I got a few of those No More Sheets books from the library, and I thought the same thing. The one that stood out in my mind was her saying that masturbation was a sin. ANYWAY, lol, needless to say, I was too through with her. UNTIL, in my meantime, my LS let me borrow her No More Sheets tape. Oh my goodness, this tape was AWESOME!!! She really put herself out there, issues and all. She doesn't have a "holier than thou" attitude at all. At least not in that video. But if I hadn't watched that, I'd've said, later for her. Check it out, it's great for a singles' ministry!

Yes, Ideal I agree with you 100%. I was very impressed with the Sheets tape thinking all along that this is what we need to hear. Too often Singles are hearing from people who have been married so long that they have no idea or have forgotten what being Single is. It was refreshing to hear from a sister who is where I am. I am now in the middle of her book.

Scripture reference?
 

I don't know Sister Juanita's situation, but 1Corinthians 7:12-15 reads:
12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Basically it says that if a woman (or man) is a believer and her spouse is not, then she/he should stay with that person. If, however, the unbelieving spouse chooses to leave, the believer should not do anything to make them stay and the believer is not under bondage or obligation to the marriage.

This may have been her situation and why it seemed to be a contradiction to you.

I read the book and was thoroughly unimpressed - not much more than an endless string of bible verses - she basically says over and over that one can only minister to those on issues they have experienced - i.e. someone who is happily married cannot effectively minister to the singles population - so does that mean that she can't minister to someone who is happily married or in a healthy relationship - two things she claims to have never had? There were points in her book that I agreed with, but it was along the same lines as all the other "packaged common sense" that is out on the market.

INTERVIEW-IT'S LONG!
 

Juanita Bynum Interview w/Essence Magazine

Michelle Burford: In No More Sheets, you hit on two of the hottest topics for Black women: God and sex. Sisters responded by buying up your videos into the millions!

Juanita Bynum: And some of them literally run up to me and fall onto my chest in tears, thanking me. Angela Bassett came up to me and said,"I read your book three times, and it changed my life." Then I talked to Mary J. Blige on the phone, and she said No More Sheets turned her around.

Burford: I loved a point you made in your video: A woman who has slept with a lot of men has, in a spiritual sense, married each of those men. Then when the right man for her comes along, that woman has no emotional space for him.

Bynum: That’s one reason I’m not remarried to this day. People often ask me, "Do you want to marry again?" I tell them, "I’ll get married when I get single."

Burford: And how long does it take to get single after you’ve had a series of sexual relationships? >Bynum: That depends on how many relationships you’ve been in, and the depth and length of time of each. When a woman ends a relationship, she still carries the man’s residue, and she’s subconsciously still trying to please him. In a relationship I was in after my divorce, I found myself always washing the dishes right after I ate, because the man I’d been with previously wanted that. I was still under his influence. I wasn’t ready to date again because I wasn’t healed.

>Burford: Take me back to the time right after your marriage ended. What were you feeling? >Bynum: I felt like a failure as a woman. When you put together a home With your own hands, and then it comes apart, you ask yourself, What didn’t I do to make it work? Then you start feeling like you weren’t attractive or sexy enough. You think, maybe I didn’t have a good enough body. You go through all these head trips. But I’ve learned that after you’ve been hurt, you can’t just focus on your hurt you have to look at the lesson in it. When you baby-sit the hurt, you never learn the lesson. You have to say, "Okay, God, what is the message here?"

Burford: When did you do that? >Bynum: After my divorce. That’s when I started my relationship binge.Because I was hurting so badly, I was out to prove there wasn’t anything wrong with me. So instead of keeping my focus on the lesson, I detoured to one man after another. Burford: But exactly when did you sit with yourself and think about the lesson in your hurt? Bynum: After this so-called binge. Sometimes I would look back at some of the men I was with and say, "What in the world was I thinking?" It was crazy! What I finally realized was that an aura surrounds every woman who has been damaged. I had actually been attracting certain men. I had always wanted an executive, a businessman and a man of God to want me, and he wouldn’t. The only kind of brother who could bond with me was someone with a soul like mine: troubled, messed up and full of insecurities. As much as my heart wanted Mr. Got-It-Together, my spirit could only attract somebody who was where I was. I knew I had to work on myself. Now I don’t get play from hoodlums. And I no longer need a man who will buy me a new dress or furniture. I’ve got lamps. I’ve got a couch. I’ve got a stove. I don’t have to subject myself to a man’s disrespect simply because he bought me a living-room set.

Burford: A woman’s posture is completely different when she enters a relationship not needing money from a man. Bynum: And once you get past material things, you can go directly into a relationship saying, "I need a friend." We marry for a couch and we call sex love, but when the sex gets low and the couch gets old, we don’t have a friend. That’s why I don’t have the same criteria for a mate that I once had. I used to think a man had to throw a big rock on my finger. >Burford: That mentality hinders so many widows.

Bynum: It causes us to miss out on fulfilling relationships. What About the guy who works for Amtrak? He may not make much money, but he pays his bills on time and has excellent credit. He has integrity, he’s kind, and he knows how to be a friend. But sisters walk past that kind of man, because he isn’t a CEO. When you do that, it’s a sign that you’re not healed. A man is not less because he has worked at the steel mill for 20 years. Ain’t he still a good man? >Burford: But if you’re a wounded woman, you can’t even see that kind of man. You attract a man who’s willing to exploit your vulnerabilities.

Bynum: Yes. And a wounded woman also attracts a man who has not gotten himself together enough to be the best choice for anybody, but he knows that she can’t do any better. And because she has been hurt, she wants to be validated by a man. From the start, she sees things about him that she knows she doesn’t like, but she’s too needy to move on. His credit is shot, and he has no integrity, but in the eyes of a depressed and slapped-up woman, he’s a hero until the woman begins to heal and make better choices. That’s what happened to me.

Burford: You say that the amount of time it takes a woman to heal is connected with the length and depth of the relationship she has been in. During your series of relationships, how long did each usually last? >Bynum: From six months to a year. And at the time, many of my friends constantly told me, "You’ve got to forget your last relationship. You’ve got to move on and find the right one." That was such a wrong concept. What do you do with your emotions while you’re going from one person to the next? My friends treated my divorce like it was a car accident: After an accident, you have to get in the car and drive so you won’t fear driving. But that doesn’t work in relationships.

Burford: Racing into another relationship never solves anything. Bynum: It only camouflages the pain. At a glance, you look like you have a wonderful relationship, and you’re back in the swing of life. But if somebody looked at you on the inside, they’d say, "That girl is hurting."

Burford: So how do you know when you’re completely over a man? Bynum: Once nothing inside you aches when you think of him. You can even see him in the store and say, "How you doin’?" without feeling pain. Burford: Deep down, did you know you weren’t ready to date again after your divorce? Bynum: I knew. But I was afraid to be alone. If you took a poll across the nation, you might be surprised at how many women are afraid to be in a room by themselves or just sit alone.Burford: That’s because when you turn off the TV and send the children into another room, you have to face yourself and when you’ve never done that, it’s scary.

Bynum: We’re afraid of truth. And when sisters see brothers marrying White women, some of us feel an extra pressure to seek Black men’s acceptance. So if a brother comes along who doesn’t have his act together, we put up with him. Yet we don’t enter these relationships totally unaware of what we’re getting into. We’re just willing to keep the less desirable things in our blind spot. Then when the newness of a relationship wears off, what’s in our blind spot comes to the forefront. But it has always been there. And deep in our subconscious, we knew it from the beginning. Burford: But we choose to ignore it? Bynum: We do. We’re driven more by what we want than by what we need. Burford: And sometimes, we just feel desperate.

Bynum: Exactly. And I had to ask myself this question in one of my moments alone: What if it’s not meant for me to marry again? What would I do? And I’ve decided that staying single would be okay. I am already fulfilled. Burford: During your man binge, did you think you’d be unfulfilled if you weren’t in a relationship? Bynum: I didn’t know who I was. And when you don’t know who you are, you will join up with anybody.

Burford: Many sisters will read this story and say, "Stop the madness, Juanita sex with a lot of men is not a bad thing." What would you say to these women? Bynum: I’d ask each one of them this: Do you know who you are without a man? Sisters are seeking ecstasy through sex, which is why they have so many partners. They want an out-of-this-world experience. But they’re getting nothing but a fleshly experience.

Burford: And in relationships, two halves do not make a whole. To make things work, you have to come into a partnership knowing that the other person can never completely fulfill you. Bynum: That’s it! And sex with a lot of men is just a bad idea. You’re taking your emotions through unnecessary swings: You can’t have sex with someone without drawing your emotions into it. Physically, men are built as sexual projectors, where as women’s bodies are designed to receive. A man ejaculates; a woman carries that ejaculation.

Burford: So when you have sex with a man, what does he leave with you? Bynum: His world. His experience. His scars. And many men take advantage of the moment to have an ejaculation with no regard for what they’re leaving inside women. It’s rape of the soul. Burford: What does that mean for the sister who has slept with 30 men in the last five years? Bynum: Her soul is a highway, just a place for traffic. The walls of her spirit no longer have the strength to house a real relationship. I always tell myself, you can go ahead and have some sex but is it really worth the ten minutes Of ‘Ah, ah, ah? is the man really your destiny? When I break it down like that, the whole thing sounds weak. >Burford: And in these times, you also have to ask yourself whether the brother has AIDS.

Bynum: And will it be worth it to see him two years from now with his wife and kids, while you’re still with nobody? Uh, uh. Burford: You’ve said that part of the power in your message comes from living with integrity when you’re not in the pulpit. When it comes to men and sex, how do you maintain that integrity? Bynum: When I meet a guy who my spirit tells me isn’t right, I don’t date him. I say, "Honey, don’t waste your money on me. Bread and chicken are too expensive these days."

Burford: And do you tune out TV shows and movies that are filled with sex? Bynum: Oh, yes. Everything we do is a delayed result of what we’ve already done. If I watch a sexual movie, the images plant a seed in my mind that has a chance to stay there and grow.

Burford: What’s the end result of living outside of integrity for years? Bynum: Disaster. When you lack integrity, you are never in line with yourself. I believe I can come across with power as a preacher because I work to maintain my character when I’m not preaching. If you use your rent money to get your weave done, if you steal from the company you work for or if you always make excuses for being late, then you don’t have the strength to project when it’s time for your message to be heard. Burford: One last question: What are you passionate about? Bynum: I have a passion for compassion and it’s driven by where I’ve been. If I close my eyes right now, I can see myself in the snow, wearing a black $2 coat and tennis shoes with no socks, waiting to get my $76 in food stamps. I can see myself in the hospital after my nervous breakdown, crying and throwing myself against the walls of the padded cell they put me in. When I remember the process it took to get myself from there to where I am today and then I see a sister with no hope I’m driven to get to that sister. I believe that the pain in each of our pasts gives us an opportunity to help others. If I honestly tell somebody what has happened to me, then maybe that person will be transformed."If a man does his best, what else is there?" Peace & Love

Very interesting post. I will be interested in seeing this posted on Alpha Phi Alpha Ave. to see what the bruhs have to say. One of the things that MEN do not realize is that there are emotional and spiritual consequences to the total act of sex. One of the things that Min. Bynum brings out is the spiritual and emotional investment that sex in relationships really is. The fact that when she would end a relationship, she still had spiritual and emotional ties with the men because of the sex could be a lesson to us all. I wonder if this message was taught in sex ed classes for teens would there be a serious drop in STD's and unwanted pregnancies in our community. Just curious.
Blackwatch!!!!!

SHOE MINISTRY
 

Do not be discouraged, I buy shoes for anyone that needs a pair whether I am employed or not. I hit the streets some days and just wait for the people the Lord will send for me to minister to. Just share your testimony with people you meet, ask God to send people to you that need a word.
There are people that may say no to your help, but will receive the word, remember in Ezekiel, the Lord told him that if he did not warn his people and they dies, theri blood would be on his hands. We have peoples blood already on our hands for the people we missed and we need to repent it and start reaching people, this is your queue, you cna email me if you need encouragement. God Bless your willing heart in Jesus name!

Before of telling anyone else, tell Jesus first "here I am Lord, I have a passion to bring the Gosple, I am willing to go for you, please send me! Help me to die to myself and come alive to you!

Send lost souls and the unsaved, or the saved that wondered from you and need to find their way back to you my way, and give me the boldness and the right words to say, speak through me as I empty myself before you to touch thier hearts and convict them not by my might, nor by power but by your Holy Spirit!" As you say!:)

MARRIAGE IN THE BIBLE
 

Sister read Deuteronomy 24:, Matthew 5:32, Mathy 19:10, Mark 10:4, Mark 12:25, Luke 14:20.
http://www.watchmanmag.com/0102/010207.htm

Do you remember where Jesus wanted it abundantly clear that He did not come "to destroy the Law of the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill" (5:17). He had no animosity for the Mosaic Law or Prophets. Moses made laws on marriage and God said they were Moses laws and not his. The Holy spirit is not divided among himself, a house divided cannot stand, when a man and woman come together in unity to become one, it is Gods spirit and Love in both of them that binds them as one, there should not be a divorce if we intend to be obedient to God, we can want a divorce but we should trust God to work on the marriage and work it out since he is the God of the impossible, because he cannot split himself in too, what he has joined together he said let no man put asunder, he hates divorce, but alowed Moses to make those laws to try to reconsile them with God. Once you are joined together and try to separate, a part of what you are doing is trying to tear Gods spirit apart again and he is a God of unity and not a God of division.
If your spouse dies, or leaves you, you can marry again. Noel Jones and I and I and my family come from the same church and my mother and dad separated dfor almost 40 years and both refuse to divorce each other, they have to work that one out and I don't interfere, but as long as Noel's ex wife is till alive he is obedient to God and will not marry and I agree with his obedience, we should try to be obedient to god's laws. Email me if you have questions or want to talk.

What?
 

Wow! I remember watching her wedding on television...I feel so sorry for her.:(

I remember the wedding too, BTW it was beautiful.

I hope she presses charges.:(

MARRIAGE AND DIVORCE/JUANITA BYNUM
 

hello, I think there is a little grey area there because God hates divorces as it is a broken covenant made with him in his presence. Look at it this way: When 2 people fall in love as Christians, they should fall in love with the godliness and presence of God in each person, God is only one supreme spirit, so when you unite in holy matrimony, the 2 become a merger and become one united by the Spirit of God for life and eternity, it is a covenant. Gods word says a house divided among itself can never stand, so since God is whole, perfect and a just God, and cannot go back on his word or who he is as God, he cannot be torn apart and that is what the devil tries to attempt to do during a divorce, God is not a God of separation, he cannot divide himself according to what a couple seeking A divorce would want to do.
God told the Isralites when they asked him how about divorces that that was Moses decision because of the Israelites disobedience, which means it was clearly not his choice to condone the breaking of any covenant.
No one is perfect but we have to pray for them especiually when it comes to preachers and teachers of the word of God. I only say grey area because of what Moses allowed, but I wills tick to what God does not like and he certainly does not approve divorce and considers it a sin.
Let me have your feed back on this okay.

Love Krystaal.