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ThetaDancer 10-02-2009 11:33 AM

Chicago does not receive Olympic bid
 
In fact, it was the first city to be eliminated...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/33138973/

NinjaPoodle 10-02-2009 11:49 AM

You beat me to it.

Too bad for Chicago. It's not the end of the world but on CNN they act like it's the worst thing that ever happened.:rolleyes:

agzg 10-02-2009 11:50 AM

I'm glad it won't be here, but I'm a little surprised that we were out in the first round of voting.

To be completely honest, I thought Tokyo would be out first.

Senusret I 10-02-2009 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen (Post 1853446)
I think it'll go to Rio, purely because there's never been an Olympics in South America.

Here's hoping!

NinjaPoodle 10-02-2009 12:09 PM

I'm kind of hoping for Madrid.:D

lovespink88 10-02-2009 12:14 PM

I'm kinda sad about it, it would have been cool to have it here...but oh well! I am very surprised we went out so early, though...

ThetaDancer 10-02-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen (Post 1853446)
I think it'll go to Rio, purely because there's never been an Olympics in South America.

I hope so!

epchick 10-02-2009 12:40 PM

Is this why people FB status' are all about Chicago and how they are sorry for the people or "thinking" of the people of Chicago?

To all my FB friends, it's not the end of the world. Chicago and the people in it will live to see another day.

DaemonSeid 10-02-2009 12:42 PM

NBA season is coming soon.

MexicanMami0286 10-02-2009 12:44 PM

Welp, guess I won't be going to the Olympics in 2016, then.

Benzgirl 10-02-2009 12:59 PM

CNBC was calling it to be between Rio and Chicago this morning. I guess they should stick to reporting only to business.

NinjaPoodle 10-02-2009 01:10 PM

http://www.siyclone.com/forum//style...ault/cheer.gifCongrats Rio!:cool:http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/pa...smiley-020.gif

Psi U MC Vito 10-02-2009 01:16 PM

I think it probably will be Rio for the reason already stated. And the article made a couple of interesting points about some of the things that could have effected the chances of Chicago getting it. Also there is the fact that the United States has held 8 Olympics, far more then any other country.

sunnyhibiscus 10-02-2009 02:20 PM

I'm disappointed that Chicago was bounced in the first round, but I'm happy for the people in Rio. I have a feeling that the 2020 summer games would be in South Africa.

lovespink88 10-02-2009 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1853463)
Is this why people FB status' are all about Chicago and how they are sorry for the people or "thinking" of the people of Chicago?

To all my FB friends, it's not the end of the world. Chicago and the people in it will live to see another day.

OMG for serious...Everyone on Facebook was acting like this was the worst thing that has ever happened to them...big deal!!

And congrats to Rio! (NinjaPoodle, I LOVE those little animations!!!)

Merci11 10-02-2009 02:27 PM

I used to live in Chicago and honestly, I think it would not have been a good idea to have the Olympics there. We'd have to build all of this new stuff (which would have created jobs) but there's no way that the city could ever afforded it. When I lived there sales tax was creeping towards 10% and, from what I hear from my family that still lives there, it's over 11% now. It would have skyrocketed if the city had to get the money to pay for it all. Sure they'd bring in revenue from the events, but Athens was in huge debt after hosting the Olympics in 2004.

Also, maybe it's because I'm not from one of the nicer areas of the city, but I think everything would have looked really out of place.

Not to mention, this country has hosted the Olympics so many times, let some one else have a turn.

DaemonSeid 10-02-2009 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merci11 (Post 1853501)
I used to live in Chicago and honestly, I think it would not have been a good idea to have the Olympics there. We'd have to build all of this new stuff (which would have created jobs) but there's no way that the city could ever afforded it. When I lived there sales tax was creeping towards 10% and, from what I hear from my family that still lives there, it's over 11% now. It would have skyrocketed if the city had to get the money to pay for it all. Sure they'd bring in revenue from the events, but Athens was in huge debt after hosting the Olympics in 2004.

Also, maybe it's because I'm not from one of the nicer areas of the city, but I think everything would have looked really out of place.

Not to mention, this country has hosted the Olympics so many times, let some one else have a turn.


Exactly..I mean LA and Atlanta both had one recently, let someone else wreck their city!

Shellfish 10-02-2009 03:32 PM

Congrats, Rio! I've never been, but probably anyone who's ever seen the movie Black Orpheus has wanted to go there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0jZRkFtksI

pbear19 10-02-2009 05:05 PM

I definitely think Rio was the right choice.

But I am completely amused by the FB posts I've seen by some conservative friends who are blaming the loss on Obama, saying that it was his speech that caused Chicago to not get it. :rolleyes:

Psi U MC Vito 10-02-2009 05:08 PM

Did Rio officially win it?

ThetaDancer 10-02-2009 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1853509)
Exactly..I mean LA and Atlanta both had one recently, let someone else wreck their city!

And Salt Lake City had the winter Olympics recently...so for me it wasn't that much of a surprise that they would go to another country.

thetygerlily 10-02-2009 05:15 PM

Many of my college friends are in the Chicago area (went to school in WI) and the multitude of Facebook messages are mixed. Some were really rooting for Chicago and were absolutely crushed, while others vehemently opposed it and are extremely pleased that the Olympics won't "ruin" the city. Their words, not mine!

Personally I've been hoping for Rio the whole time... and not just because my husband is from Brazil :-) I think it's great that they are FINALLY expanding it to South America for the summer games. And to be honest, it kind of bothered me that Chicago put in a bid. As a country, we've hosted the Olympics many a time (8 according to Psi_U_MC_Vito) including Atlanta very recently, and that's plenty for right now. If it's truly an international event, there should be an effort to share the love and let the other countries have their time to shine. Not just from the committees, but from who applies.

For some countries hosting the Olympics will truly make a difference- I look forward to going back to Rio to see it post-games. Sometimes the Olympics are just the push that certain areas need. And I'm not just talking third world! The Vancouver 2010 Olympics have done wonders for some of the major roads up in BC, and even in WA they're prepping for it. If anyone's ever been to Whistler, they're completely redoing the Sky to Sea Highway to add lanes and beef it up a bit. As someone who's driven on it at night while it was snowy and icy, it's much needed for safety & will be a benefit to the hundreds of thousands of people who go to the area each year.

PeppyGPhiB 10-02-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen (Post 1853512)
Our Olympics are experiencing cost overruns and lots of questions about why the Olympics are a priority while dealing with the homeless and mentally ill is not. I am anticipating it being a mess here in February.

I'm glad for Rio - I think it'll be a very cool location for the games.

Yeah, and those of us who live just across the border in Seattle found out a long time ago that going to the Vancouver Olympics (less than 3 hours drive away) was either going to be impossible (due to lack of tickets available to the general non-Canadian public, or lack of hotel rooms) or prohibitively expensive. It sucks. A lot of us in Washington state were so excited when we found out the Olympics would be in our back yard, but it turns out most of us won't be able to go.

epchick 10-02-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1853538)
Did Rio officially win it?

Yep, it was between Rio and Madrid.


Chicago "the city of shattered dreams" really CBS? The Olympics are cool, but they aren't that big a deal.

ThetaPrincess24 10-03-2009 10:01 AM

I was rooting for Chicago because I always root for the USA, however, I am happy that if we werent picked, that Rio got it. South America is due for an Olympic games.

Congrats to Rio!!

bostongreek 10-03-2009 11:09 AM

Quote:

Chicago does not receive Olympic bid
maybe they can COB?

(so sorry about that terrible joke, but it was the first thing that came into my mind when I saw the title of the post)

chitown 10-03-2009 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bostongreek (Post 1853685)
maybe they can COB?

(so sorry about that terrible joke, but it was the first thing that came into my mind when I saw the title of the post)

I laughed.

I was always on the fence about the whole olympics thing because taxes are pretty insane right now (sales tax is 10.25%, not QUITE the 11% that someone stated) but so are the amount of unemployed people. I would happily pay higher taxes for someone out there to have a job- though who knows how long it would have lasted.

I'm not going to lie though, it was kind of anticlimactic to be kicked out in the first round.

RU OX Alum 10-03-2009 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bostongreek (Post 1853685)
maybe they can COB?

(so sorry about that terrible joke, but it was the first thing that came into my mind when I saw the title of the post)

hahaha, awesome

RU OX Alum 10-03-2009 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bostongreek (Post 1853685)
maybe they can COB?

(so sorry about that terrible joke, but it was the first thing that came into my mind when I saw the title of the post)

hahaha, awesome

LucyKKG 10-03-2009 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bostongreek (Post 1853685)
maybe they can COB?

(so sorry about that terrible joke, but it was the first thing that came into my mind when I saw the title of the post)

There's always AI.


(Nooooo! Sorry! Running away now!)

Haha but seriously, Bostongreek, you made me laugh so hard I snorted. I'm gonna think of that randomly later today or while I'm trying to go to sleep, and I'll start cracking up all over again.

MidwayManiac 10-04-2009 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbear19 (Post 1853535)
But I am completely amused by the FB posts I've seen by some conservative friends who are blaming the loss on Obama, saying that it was his speech that caused Chicago to not get it. :rolleyes:

Objectively, I think the Obamas did a poor job selling the IOC on what Chicago could do for them. It also seemed to me that Obama was lecturing the IOC a little bit, and that is one group that does not take kindly to being lectured.

To borrow a phrase from Jim Rome of all people, just look at the scoreboard. Before the Obamas' presentation, conventional wisdom was that Chicago would be 1 or 2. After their pitch Chicaco came in fourth. There are two explanations for this. Either the Obamas actually hurt, or it was a lost cause and there is nothing they could have done. I personally think their speeches were a lost opportunity and were not that effective. If it was a lost cause from the get-go, I wonder why they were over there in the first place, exposing themselves and the country to a humiliation, which is what happened. Either way I think it was a misjudgment by Team Obama.

I'm happy for Rio. Their timezone is close to the US's so we'll get to see a lot of stuff live. The basketball will probably be amazing. I was at a party yesterday with a bunch of Brazilians and while happy they are skeptical that all the construction can get done in time!

KSigkid 10-04-2009 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidwayManiac (Post 1853822)
Objectively, I think the Obamas did a poor job selling the IOC on what Chicago could do for them. It also seemed to me that Obama was lecturing the IOC a little bit, and that is one group that does not take kindly to being lectured.

To borrow a phrase from Jim Rome of all people, just look at the scoreboard. Before the Obamas' presentation, conventional wisdom was that Chicago would be 1 or 2. After their pitch Chicaco came in fourth. There are two explanations for this. Either the Obamas actually hurt, or it was a lost cause and there is nothing they could have done. I personally think their speeches were a lost opportunity and were not that effective. If it was a lost cause from the get-go, I wonder why they were over there in the first place, exposing themselves and the country to a humiliation, which is what happened. Either way I think it was a misjudgment by Team Obama.

Correlation does not equal causation.

One of the NPR shows did a lot of coverage of the site selection process, and one of the interviewees was talking about how Chicago was a favorite of the newer IOC members, while Rio was a favorite of the older IOC members.

I'm not an Obama fan overall, but I don't think you can blame him for this. I think that a much more likely explanation is that the IOC just wanted to hold the Olympics in a brand new venue. The US has had the Summer games twice in the past 20 years, and 3 times in the past 25. It just wasn't Chicago's time.

ThetaDancer 10-04-2009 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidwayManiac (Post 1853822)

If it was a lost cause from the get-go, I wonder why they were over there in the first place, exposing themselves and the country to a humiliation, which is what happened.

I really don't understand why people are huffing and puffing and feigning humiliation. Really? Get over it. The Olympics are supposed to be about cooperation, friendship, fostering understanding, and unity through friendly competition. People who are using the Olympic selection as a chance to blame Obama for something, anything, through really faulty logic, just come across as out of touch with reality and bitter. Be happy for the winner and stop acting like a sore loser.

agzg 10-04-2009 10:52 AM

Heck, I live in Chicago, and I'm not embarrassed at all. Seriously. We put in a good bid, got turned down, we move on. I don't get why Daley was quoted as saying "There's always 2020" because I don't see a point in putting in another bid, but oh well.

Besides, I'm excited that I'll still be able to get to work during that two weeks, and our guest bedroom won't be filled with my (or live-in's) crazy relatives.

To say that the country was "humiliated" is a stretch. Seriously. We've been turned down for the Olympics before.

GET OVER IT.

MidwayManiac 10-04-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThetaDancer (Post 1853831)
I really don't understand why people are huffing and puffing and feigning humiliation. Really? Get over it. The Olympics are supposed to be about cooperation, friendship, fostering understanding, and unity through friendly competition. People who are using the Olympic selection as a chance to blame Obama for something, anything, through really faulty logic, just come across as out of touch with reality and bitter. Be happy for the winner and stop acting like a sore loser.

There is no "feigning" humiliation. Obama himself interjected the office of the Presidenf of the United States into the process. Obama is the one who totally misread the room in Copenhagen. Second would not have been so bad, but fourth? To get 18 votes out of 95? In what reality is that not an embarrassment?

If internet posters are smart enough to see that it just wasn't Chicago's "time", why didn't supposedly one of the smartest people ever to be President realize the same thing?

Look, I know not getting the Olympics isn't the end of the world. I am not a sore loser. I don't want the Olympics here. The Olympics are a corrupt organization that too often cow-tows to regimes of very questionable character (see 1936, 1980, 2008, 2014) and too often shows itself to be morally bankrupt (see 1972 and the entire Avery Brundage experience).

What I see with resect to the Chicago non-selection is that some people are having a hard time admitting that the President made a big blunder on a big stage. Not seeing that is, to me, coming across as not being in touch with reality. Maybe the reality is that his judgment isn't as great as he would have us believe.

RU OX Alum 10-04-2009 05:34 PM

I actually agree with Midway, to a point. Most of our recent Presidents have been rather embarrassing. There was no reason at all Obama should have even voiced his opinion to any one in the U.S., let alone the IOC.

Psi U MC Vito 10-04-2009 05:50 PM

I can see why Obama would want Chicago to win it, but I don't think he should have gone to address the IOC. I honestly think that the president should have nothing to do with this. I just don't know, but does the federal government pay for anything for the Olympics? If not then it should be the Mayor of the city or the Governor of the state who should be speaking. It is the people of their community that has to pay out for this, not the United States as a whole.

ThetaDancer 10-04-2009 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MidwayManiac (Post 1853886)
There is no "feigning" humiliation. Obama himself interjected the office of the Presidenf of the United States into the process. Obama is the one who totally misread the room in Copenhagen. Second would not have been so bad, but fourth? To get 18 votes out of 95? In what reality is that not an embarrassment?

If internet posters are smart enough to see that it just wasn't Chicago's "time", why didn't supposedly one of the smartest people ever to be President realize the same thing?

Look, I know not getting the Olympics isn't the end of the world. I am not a sore loser. I don't want the Olympics here. The Olympics are a corrupt organization that too often cow-tows to regimes of very questionable character (see 1936, 1980, 2008, 2014) and too often shows itself to be morally bankrupt (see 1972 and the entire Avery Brundage experience).

What I see with resect to the Chicago non-selection is that some people are having a hard time admitting that the President made a big blunder on a big stage. Not seeing that is, to me, coming across as not being in touch with reality. Maybe the reality is that his judgment isn't as great as he would have us believe.

I really am not one to defend everything Obama does, so spare me the lecture. And yes, I still think you need to get over it.

P.S. It's kowtow.

pbear19 10-04-2009 06:39 PM

For anyone who thinks Obama's presence made the US look silly, you might want to consider the fact that Japan's Prime Minister, Brazil's President, and Spain's President were all in Copenhagen and they all made presentations.

So, actually, the US would have looked silly if Obama *hadn't* been there. He would have been the only leading governmental figure of the four countries in the final vote to be absent.

Seriously. Let's try to look at this with a little perspective.

epchick 10-04-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbear19 (Post 1853907)
So, actually, the US would have looked silly if Obama *hadn't* been there. He would have been the only leading governmental figure of the four countries in the final vote to be absent.

According to CBS, Obama was there to give a presentation but he left before they voted. CBS also implied that Chicago might have not been ousted in the first round had Obama actually stayed a few hours more. But of course that is speculation, and doesn't really matter in the long run.


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