Copy Cats??
 

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Ok, so I was looking at the UT-EL Paso website tonight and clicked on the link for a local chapter there called "New Delta" Their motto is, "We live for each other," their colors are blue and white, their mascot is a lion, and their flower is a purple iris. Yeah, I know it's not a violet, but in light of the other "coincidendes" I was just wondering.

Are these ladies trying to affiliate with ADPi? Or have they just totally copied some of our symbols and mottos? Maybe I am reading too much into this, and I just need to take my butt to bed.

L&L

http://studentaffairs.utep.edu/Default.aspx?tabid=55181

Why is it "New" delta instead of Nu...that is what I am wondering!

ETA: It also has an 'A' and a Delta in their crest beneath the lion...but then again it also has a lamp (DZ's symbol) and a fleur di lis (KKGs)..

Um yeah, can another sorority copy our motto, colors and mascot? I'm sure they aren't trademarked with us but it does seem pretty tacky.

Another question, can we (ADPi) do anything about it? I mean for me personally, I don't like the thought of another sorority taking our motto, mascot and colors. Quite honestly it's the motto thing that is kind of "ticking me off". That is just low to steal another sororities motto.

Twinkle, I just noticed the A and the Delta in their crest.

And ASUADPi, I agree with you on the tacky comment. I know that certain organizations share symbols and colors sometimes, but I don't see many groups "borrowing" so much from existing groups. Phi Mu and ADPi share the lion as a mascot, but besides being founded at the same school, that is where the similarities end. Blue and white is used by several sororities as we know, but I don't see KKG and ADPi sharing more than that (panhellenic values aside of course!).

Ok, I am going to get off my soapbox now. I am actually thinking about emailing nationals and seeing what they say. This is just not setting right with me, and I don't find it kosher at all.

Pardon the crash, and I stand to be corrected, but I think ADPi is the only NPC org that has blue and white as official colors. Kappa's colors are dark blue and light blue.

Oops!
 

I'm sorry! Thanks for clearing that up MysticCat. :( Dang, I am ate up with it today apparently. And just to clarify, I was just using blue and white in general terms. Technically our colurs are azure blue and white. Ok, this day needs to end so I can go home and go to bed. My brain is officially not working today... as we can all see. TGIF! :D

I called. I left a message with the pertinent info. I just figured, hey let EO know. They can do with it what they want, at least as a sister I've expressed my concern.

I just don't know. I don't feel it's right to take another sororities motto, whether you were hoping to affiliate with ADPi or not, change your motto. We value our motto and other sorority members have said how much they like our motto, I don't like reading that a local is stealing it. Does that sound weird.

I kind of feel like I'm being overprotective of our motto. But ADPi means everything to me and I don't like what New Delta is doing.

Maybe its just me and maybe I'm just being weird. :D

Ok, you can officially add me to the being weird list. ;) I emailed them the information, and I will call them later too. Just like you said, all I can do is express my concern and let EO do with it is as they will.

Called EO -- was directed to Linda Ablard's voicemail. Was told that she's great about returning phone calls. I can't wait to talk to her. I'm all for local sororities, but when they use our motto, colors, and blatantly "borrowed" our mascot .... it just gets me riled up.

Wonderful! That is good to hear, because she is who I emailed. Thanks to all of you ladies who have contacted EO.:)

I did some sleuthing and found their MySpace page. There are pictures of them doing a modified version of our diamond symbol:
One of the pictures

This is the kicker -- you know they're copying us because:

THEY ORIGINIALLY CALLED THEMSELVES THE ADELPHEAN SOCIETY:
Pic 1
Pic 2


Yes, its been said that imitation is the biggest form of flattery, but this is down right ridiculous.

WTF!? Seriously!?
 

What!!!?? :mad: Ok, that officially pisses me off.

VAgirl, thanks for sending that info to me. Unfortunately my school district's server will not let me view these pics from work, but you can be dang sure I will be looking at them when I get home tonight!


I need to write another email and add that information to it, and I will definitly be calling as soon as my kids leave class this afternoon! I wish I had stumbled upon UTEP's site sooner, apparently they have been doing this since 2007.

Please pardon your forum crash.

I can certainly understand the frustration that everyone is feeling regarding this local sorority. There certainly is enough similar aspects to raise eyebrows.

However, I *think* that the photo of the handsigns is merely them making a Delta sign. I could be wrong. However, most of the girls seem to be attempting to make a triangle. This would fit, given their name.

The rest of the symbols and their original name? It would seem that it could be more than coincidence.

Regardless of whether its a modification of our symbol or not, I'm still unimpressed and irate at the lack of originality.

Sorry for the crash but I actually go to UTEP and I happen to know about "new" delta.
First off they are called "new" delta because they can't have official greek letters yet (or they don't know they're alphabet)
The lamp isn't a rip off from DZ its actually taken from a fraternity their founders were sweethearts for.
I really don't think they are trying to affiliate themselves with Adpi, I tink they're just trying to fit in as actually being greek, but they still don't have real letters. just saying...

*crash*

Alpha Xi Delta had this a few years ago with an Alpha Zeta Delta local in the midwest. They used the same colors, flower, and other symbols. I believe National's took care of them.

The photo album has Adelphean society ALL OVER IT, especially in an album from Rush 2008. It is also on the all sorority mixer t-shirt, with other orgs. names (including NPC ones). The Delta Sigma Thetas probably wouldn't appreciate their hand sign being co-opted either.

I am somewhat impressed that in two years they haven't been caught as the internet makes things easy to catch. Is there not a Greek Advisor on this campus? Just wow.

ETA: My favorite photo complete with cans of beer, captioned "LXA & Adelpheans @ Diablos Thirsty Thursdays!!" (lack of grammar and punctutation not mine) http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...ageID=10653020

Don't they participate in recruitment with the NPC groups? Wouldn't an area advisor or an advisor for one of the other NPC sororities say "Where have I seen this before?" because I sure as hell would if any established sorority (let alone one almost 160 years old) was borrowed from.

Apparently the Executive Office doesn't think that its a concern. Apparently we should be flattered. Um, no. Not acceptable!!

I was told by Executive Office in an email, "Basically, there is nothing we can do unless they use our registered trademarks. We really should be flattered by this." I encourage all of my ADPi sisters to voice their concerns with Exec.

L&L

Oh God no! When I went through recruitment I considered them but when I realized they didn't even have real letters that screamed no to me!

PS: some of them are nice girls and i think they are just trying to find their own place while they get picked up by a national.

And the no letters comment wasn't a superficial thing to me, it was more of a who are they kidding with "new".

That is NOT DST's hand sign. That is TriDelta's handsign (if the individual DDD chapter chooses to use one that is what they typically use anyways).

That makes me kind of sad that I'm being told that I should be flattered. Like it was said earlier, I know that "imitiation" is a form of "flattery", but quite honestly I'm not flattered.

This might sound totally off kilter, but I kind of feel like something has been stolen from me. I take huge pride in our motto and to know that some local, who was attempting to affiliate with us, has essentially stolen it, really, really irks the daylights out of me. I'm sorry but that is how I feel.

I get that there is nothing I can do. I've voiced my concern to EO. I cannot control if they don't see it as much of an issue as I do. Different perspectives = different reactions. I get that. I can at least say "Hey I don't feel this is right".

I do want to thank OTW, VandalSquirrel, and MaggieXi for understanding where we are coming from. I know I appreciate it, and I'm sure my sisters do too.

There were lots of different hand signs, I know I saw the Delta Sigma Theta pyramid in at least one picture or I wouldn't have made that statement. It may be an older picture and someone told them it was not okay.

They were NOT doing our (unofficial) handsign the way that most of us do it.

This is only ADPi's bone to pick.

Sorry for the crash, but I think they probably researched NPC sororities and got help from another fraternity and chose the things they liked most about the other organizations. They obviously didn't read the GC threads about starting their own chapter :) I am not sure if legally you can do anything, unless your motto is trademarked. I would be upset if they did it to Chi O so I don't blame you for being upset. Good luck and let us know what the outcome is.

Did you look through all the pictures, I swear I saw it in one. Maybe it was on someone's page and not the main group page photo albums. I'm not going to go back and look, I already wasted 30 minutes of my life being horrified.

Regardless, it be tacky!

Yes.

Blue & white and a lion mascot I could chalk up as a coincidence. Adelphean Society??? NO I DON'T THINK SO.

Agreed!!!
 

Amen!!!!

I still can't help but get a little angry when I think about it. Just so very disappointed.

Delta isn't an official greek letter?

I'm sure it's not a coincidence. That said, Adelphian was once a fairly common name for college literary societies and similar organizations.

Again, though, I don't think this is a coincidence at all, and I can completely understand the feelings of the ADPis here.

I meant NEW isn't a greek letter and they still use an n in their wooden letters making it seem as if it was NU DELTA rather than NEW DELTA

Right, so there's a rule that states they can use "Delta" but it has to be "New" instead of "Nu?" Is that a rule regarding the number of Greek letters in a name or is there already a Nu Delta?

Please answer..since you know so much...as a nonmember. :)

I'm kind of waiting for the post by a member saying their roommate did it or something along those lines.

I actually have no idea why they have to use new but when i went thru recruitment that was a huge no for me, it seems fake. I always thought maybe they messed up and kept it as a joke or that maybe there is a rule somewhere but i don't know.

Sorry, that's kind of a GC joke (we seriously need a GC wiki to explain stuff sometimes). Someone posts things that are not well received, and then BAM someone else says that their account was taken over, they had no idea, and that their roommate did it because they forgot to log out of GC. I am not a member of Alpha Delta Pi, so I don't have a lion in this fight, so the reasoning behind the "borrowing" isn't as important to me. I just think it needs to stop regardless of the group, even if the roommate did it.

Delta Chi shares 3/4 of its principles with Delta Upsilon verbatim.

Delta Upsilon also shares its colors (blue and old gold) along with 3 of it's principle (Friendship, Justice, and Learning --ie diffusion of liberal culture) with Sigma Chi.

How many fraternities have a knight's helmet and balanced scales on their crests? How many fraternities use a skull or a skull and crossbones? Exactly. A lot.

I think greeks tend to get this overwhelming sense of pride in to which organization they belong. Granted, we do have a lot to be proud of. However, often we forget that out mottos/creeds and colors are often very encompassing and commonplace. Blue and gold, blue and white, red and black are far too common to say anyone explicitly copied them. True, the posted group does have a lot in common with ADPi, but without knowing them, the sense of outrage is unwarranted.

If that's the case, I'm going to enroll at Cornell, start a fraternity with Red and Buff as its colors, the White Carnation as the flower, and the Knight as our mascot. I'll name this organization New Delta Chi. I'm sure that'll go over well.

I'm sorry but these groups were forming at a time when communication and technology were quite different. In 2007 when these ladies organized they could have used the internet for research to be sure they weren't using the same name. Groups can have similarities, but it is hard to explain away the use of:

• colors - Blue & White
• mascot - Lion
• historical name - Adelphean Society
• Motto - "We Live for Each Other"

That's four things, not one, and very specific things to this group that aren't "generic." You also may want to look into crests and heraldry, as there is much diversity in helmets, such as placement and design, and they mean entirely different things which are not always obviously to the average person. Alpha Delta Pi was founded 156 years before this group who currently goes by New Delta, it is not plausible or probable that a woman at UTEP had those specific identifiers come to her in a revelation.

Oh maybe it is New Delta because someone is the reincarnation of an original Adelphean? (If that offends any members I will delete it) People get religious revelations to bring along a new faith movement, perhaps there are visions from beyond we're just not privy to. There could be a flaming talking cactus in the desert for all we know.