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Puppet 09-05-2009 10:26 PM

A sensitive matter.
 
First off I would like to say that I am an established member of this forum. If you PM me asking I will tell you who I am. However considering the nature of this post, I don't want to post under my usual name. I will also delete this post if requested.

The question I am asking is this. I am a baptized Roman Catholic, but have been having issues with some of the doctrine of the Church for a while. From what I have seen, I have a feeling that I would like the Episcopal Church. Would it be possible for any members of the Episcopal Church to PM me any reliable websites where I can read up on some of the doctrines and beliefs?

BuckeyeTriDelta 09-05-2009 11:22 PM

My first start would be to go here...

http://www.episcopalchurch.org/index.htm

Puppet 09-05-2009 11:31 PM

Thank you very much.

DrPhil 09-05-2009 11:32 PM

You all create sock puppets for the darndest reasons.

tld221 09-05-2009 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1843865)
You all create sock puppets for the darndest reasons.

This.

dreamseeker 09-06-2009 06:13 AM

lol. i can't imagine why the puppet has to hide from internet identities.

ThetaPrincess24 09-06-2009 09:49 AM

Why create a sock puppet to ask about another church?

That seems silly to me.

KappaSig Pirate 09-07-2009 02:21 AM

Like with the Roman Catholic Church there is some uniformity of services across geographic territories, however there are many types of Episcopal congregations. There are some that are more ritualistic than most Roman and many Orthodox churches (these are called Anglo-Catholic congregations) there are some that are little more than Methodist who take communion every Sunday, and there is the wide range between them. Some congregations are more high church, some low church, some very conservative, some very liberal. In addition to looking into the Episcopal Church as a whole I would recommend visiting different congregations until you decide whether or not you wish to join. As a Catholic you will be welcome to partake in communion and most congregations are very welcoming. You will find most congregations very similar to the Roman Church as far a liturgy goes, although doctrinally there are some big differences. If you do decide to join the Episcopal Church you will eventually have to be confirmed, as a catholic you will have no trouble with that at all. If you have any questions about the Episcopal Church as a whole do not hesitate to PM me. Good luck on your spiritual journey.

CutiePie2000 09-08-2009 12:58 AM

It sounds like "Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret" (by Judy Blume) would be a suitable book for the OP to read. It may be a little "young" but it definitely is all about self-discovery vis a vis faith, etc.

AlphaFrog 09-08-2009 05:50 AM

If this was an attempt at Stealth Spam, and KappaSig Pirate is your wingman, this is the weirdest thread I've ever seen. Actually, scratch that first part. THIS IS THE WEIRDEST THREAD I'VE EVER SEEN.

dreamseeker 09-08-2009 05:56 AM

oh snap. i didn't notice that it was kappasig pirate's first post. lol

cheerfulgreek 09-08-2009 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24 (Post 1843961)
Why create a sock puppet to ask about another church?

lol

33girl 09-08-2009 06:01 PM

There are quite a few Episcopal congregations that have broken away from the greater Episcopalian/Anglican church over the gay minister question. Be sure you're getting what you think you're getting.

Benzgirl 09-08-2009 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1844747)
There are quite a few Episcopal congregations that have broken away from the greater Episcopalian/Anglican church over the gay minister question. Be sure you're getting what you think you're getting.

Yep! The former Episcopal church that is down the street from my house broke away and became the Anglican church over this issue. And, lost a lot of members.

ThetaPrincess24 09-08-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1844760)
Yep! The former Episcopal church that is down the street from my house broke away and became the Anglican church over this issue. And, lost a lot of members.

The Catholic churches here are dropping members left and right due to the sex-priest scandals (a few priests here are accused).

The Baptist, Christian, and Vineyard churches are popping up everywhere.

Psi U MC Vito 09-08-2009 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24 (Post 1844878)
The Catholic churches here are dropping members left and right due to the sex-priest scandals (a few priests here are accused).

The Baptist, Christian, and Vineyard churches are popping up everywhere.

First off, since I got so much negative reaction to using a sockpuppet, might as well say I'm the OP. Second with the Catholic Church, I think a lot of the people leaving is because the Bishops aren't disciplining the priests who abused those boys. The thing with the new Anglican churches in the US I think is how far the Episcopal church is diverging in certain areas of doctrine from the rest of the Anglican Communion, though for now the Episcopal is the recognized member of the Angilican Communion.

AlphaFrog 09-09-2009 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1844747)
There are quite a few Episcopal congregations that have broken away from the greater Episcopalian/Anglican church over the gay minister question. Be sure you're getting what you think you're getting.

Yeah, and we're next, S. My congregation has already stopped sending their "dues" (aka benevolent funds).

KSigkid 09-09-2009 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1844747)
There are quite a few Episcopal congregations that have broken away from the greater Episcopalian/Anglican church over the gay minister question. Be sure you're getting what you think you're getting.

Good point - my church in Boston (Trinity Church in Copley Square) was walking a pretty fine line on it when I was a member.

VandalSquirrel 09-09-2009 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1844933)
Yeah, and we're next, S. My congregation has already stopped sending their "dues" (aka benevolent funds).

I'm on the other side, if the vote hadn't passed I would be an Episcopalian now (I just can't move to Unitarian). My active Lutheran relatives were going to no longer be ELCA if things went the other way at the church wide assembly.

This comes off as flip, but there are other Lutheran sects that are more conservative, being LCMS or WELS may work for those who cannot handle the same sex issues. I was at the point where I was giving up being Lutheran because as much as I love my faith, I feel stronger about inclusiveness. I actually know more people who are coming to the church or back to the church than are leaving. It will take some time but I think it will work out.

Plus what is more Lutheran than people branching out to start a new denomination?

PeppyGPhiB 09-09-2009 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000 (Post 1844502)
It sounds like "Are You There God? It's Me, Margaret" (by Judy Blume) would be a suitable book for the OP to read. It may be a little "young" but it definitely is all about self-discovery vis a vis faith, etc.

Funny, I had totally forgotten about that part of the book. Not what I think of when I remember AYTGIMM.

AlphaFrog 09-10-2009 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel (Post 1845056)
I'm on the other side, if the vote hadn't passed I would be an Episcopalian now (I just can't move to Unitarian). My active Lutheran relatives were going to no longer be ELCA if things went the other way at the church wide assembly.

This comes off as flip, but there are other Lutheran sects that are more conservative, being LCMS or WELS may work for those who cannot handle the same sex issues. I was at the point where I was giving up being Lutheran because as much as I love my faith, I feel stronger about inclusiveness. I actually know more people who are coming to the church or back to the church than are leaving. It will take some time but I think it will work out.

Plus what is more Lutheran than people branching out to start a new denomination?

FYI - I grew up in a strict LCMS church.

I don't mind the faith statement that was passed at all. I agree that love of neighbor should trump any sin they commit. However, as a Pastor? There's a passage that our Pastor pointed out 2 Sundays ago that gives the biblical list of qualifications of a Pastor. There is nothing on that list that deals with man/woman, so the woman Pastor thing doesn't bother me. There are, however, parts of that list that deal with Sexuality. Bible > Human Society.

33girl 09-10-2009 02:10 PM

Lutheran hijack:

Admittedly I've had my head elsewhere lately, but I read that statement, and it sounded like they're ok with a gay person in a committed relationship only. What about a single gay person? Why should they have to show they're in a relationship when a straight person does not?

I mean, do it all one way or do it all the other way, don't half-ass it.

VandalSquirrel 09-10-2009 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog (Post 1845397)
FYI - I grew up in a strict LCMS church.

I don't mind the faith statement that was passed at all. I agree that love of neighbor should trump any sin they commit. However, as a Pastor? There's a passage that our Pastor pointed out 2 Sundays ago that gives the biblical list of qualifications of a Pastor. There is nothing on that list that deals with man/woman, so the woman Pastor thing doesn't bother me. There are, however, parts of that list that deal with Sexuality. Bible > Human Society.

That's where translation of the Bible comes in, and with my background (religious and education) I've studied the translations and from my understanding of ancient languages the sexuality issue is often one of semantics and translations. It isn't how many people present it, and a lot of it came from rules about food and other things, and was expanded to same sex relationships.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1845526)
Lutheran hijack:

Admittedly I've had my head elsewhere lately, but I read that statement, and it sounded like they're ok with a gay person in a committed relationship only. What about a single gay person? Why should they have to show they're in a relationship when a straight person does not?

I mean, do it all one way or do it all the other way, don't half-ass it.

My understanding from years ago, is that heterosexual pastors are held to the same standards. You're not supposed to be "living in sin" and out carousing. The wording was chosen as committed relationship because marriage isn't legal for same sex pastors in many states where the ELCA operates. One could always be single and be a pastor, but part of the issue stems from the legality or illegality of marriage of same sex relationship pastors.


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