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New NPC Chapter at UWF?
Hi! I just transferred from FSU to UWF and I'm very interested in possibly starting a new Panhellenic chapter! I never rushed at FSU even though they have a wonderful greek program with 15 NPC chapters, but I still couldn't help noticing the difference at UWF with only 4 NPC chapters. Even though I am a junior and wouldn't have the pleasure of enjoying all four years of sorority life, I think it would be a very rewarding experience to start a new sorority chapter - enhancing and expanding UWF's greek life! I would love to hear anyone's suggestions of how to accomplish this. Any and all advice is welcome and will be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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Well, the first couple of questions - have you rushed at UWF? What is wrong with the 4 sororities currently there - i.e. why do you need another one? Are those 4 sororities all doing well?
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you would have to see if UWF panhellenic is open for expansion. Go talk to their greek advisor.
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We have an entire thread dedicated to what needs to happen in order to bring a new chapter to campus. Read it.
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=93174 Also, some things to think about: *Generally, all sororities at a school need to be at total (max size) for a number of years before a school will consider adding a new chapter. *If there are only 4, that means that at this time, the level of interest in Greek Life only supports 4 chapters. There has to be enough interest in sorority life for the school to sustain a new chapter. Not every school gets the recruitment numbers to support 15 chapters. *If you're interested in being in a sorority, I'd encourage you to participate in recruitment and check out the existing chapters already at UWF BEFORE you undertake NPC expansion. |
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More does NOT equal better. Go through rush and check out the existing chapters. Or did you do that already? |
Before you ask whether or not UWF is open to NPC expansion, there are some things that you need to remember, or to ask yourself:
First of all, UWF is primarily a commuter school, although things have changed in the past 10 years or so. Secondly, the newst chapter at UWF is very new--I believe AXO received their charter in 2006. Third, the size of the student body at UWF (10,000) is considerably smaller than that at FSU (41,000). Fourth, and not to beat a dead horse, but have you looked into the 4 sororities at UWF? For what it's worth, I grew up just outside of Pensacola and a lot of my HS friends went to UWF. I got books for HS papers at the Pace library. I remember quite clearly when the AXO chapter was being considered because my permanent address at the time was in the area and they were keeping alumnae posted about the progress. So, I'm not just some random person telling you to do your research. |
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1. UWF is not a commuter university anymore. I did live off campus, but that's because greek life isn't supported on my campus. 2 Fraternities had dorms, but they lost them because the brothers of each organization didn't want to get enough people to live in the dorms. UWF has tons of housing. I personally didn't care for it too much, but in my last year trust me you didn't wanna keep communting for once. Parking is way over filled and there is almost never enough parking at once for students who commute. 2. Yes AXO came to UWF in 2006, but it's not really that big of a deal. 4 Soroties for 6, pretty soon 7 fraternities? 3. Student population doesn't matter. University of Miami has 10 IFC frats and 10 Sororities and it's the same size as UWF (10,000 undergradates). I am sure there are many other universities that follow this same trend. 4. I know sisters of all 4 sororities at UWF. They are good but none of them stand out. I can't really say anything negative about any of them, but there isn't one out of the 4 that really strike out to me like the IFC fraternities. While they are good, the main issue IMO in general is that greek life at UWF has became unstable and almost non-existant. The element of secetcy doesn't exist anymore at UWF. People can't keep their mouths shut about anything. An example would be that pretty much, everyone knows a little bit of what each fraternity and sorority does. Such as pieces of each others rituals and things that people would consider bad are spread around campus way too fast. You should all be for bringing new greek life to UWF. UWF's greek life is way too weak to began with. The University makes way too many rules to stop things that would be condemed as "wrong" or "not tolerable", but many greeks can agree that it wouldn't be greek life without certain elements involved (such as what is practiced in certain rituals). Not a lot of greek organizations have survived at UWF either. There has been 9 IFC fraternity attemps, and now there is only 6, maybe soon enough 4-5 due to the progress that organizations continue to make. Kappa Sig had a colony, never made it. PIKE is trying to return but currently is not around at the moment and DTD was kicked off campus a lil while back. And 4 out of 5 sororities still exist (Phi Mu was kicked off a while back). Only the leaders of tomorrow can save UWF greek life. If you think you got what it takes, if you don't hold back, and you can recruit some bad asses, it might be possible. |
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And about your ending point: girls can "recruit" all the "bad asses" they want, but the school still needs to be open for expansion for anything to happen with NPC sorority expansion. |
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And bad asses are strong, which means they deserve to be in greek life which is what UWF is looking for. |
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Every school has a different makeup, and you can't push for expansion to make a school like another one that you came from.. |
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Clearly you do not. It's not about how many "bad asses" are interested and what can make the school "legit." Also, no school is "always open for expansion." Educate yourself. |
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UWF is looking for strong bad asses who deserve to be in Greek life? Are you high? I have no idea how this fits into ANYTHING. I'm assuming you aren't a girl. So perhaps the members of the fraternities are looking for bad asses, but UWF (as a whole) is probably not. |
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My school had a "weak system" for many years, in some ways. We lost two fraternities in the process. But interest has risen immensely, one of the fraternities re-colonized, and Greek life is now growing at a very substantial rate. Greeks have a more positive image on campus, and all of the chapters' members are very involved. But that didn't happen by adding more chapters. And I can't tell you how pissed I would be if collectively, Panhellenic and IFC (or anyone on my campus) thought, "Well, let's just bring more chapters here and let the 'weaker' ones die out," especially if nothing was done to try and help those already-existing chapters in the areas in which they were struggling. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.. and not just about UWF, but about Greek life expansion in general. |
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Yes i'm aware that it takes a lot to add a new organization to a campus but UWF right now is in the position where as long as somebody serious comes along with a half way decent proposal and is going to be dedicated and actually does what they need to do to make an organization, it's most likely going to at least get colony status. Then depending on how well rush/recruitment does and how well the organization is lead, depends on if the organization will make it into chapter status. Like I said, I know Greek Affairs personally. They want UWF to grow. The whole faculty of the the university shares the same mentality. That's probably why they just changed their athletics logo, keep stressing a football team and keep building shit on campus. Quote:
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/end of sarcasm UWF had a similar problem with SGA just recently. SGA wasn't holding up to it's true potential until recently. Now UWF is getting better with good strong leaders who know wtf they are doing and people who actually care about making the school better. Trust me, there are organizations at UWF right now that have a 1-2 year life span left in them. The weak don't always survive. You can make them as good as you think you can, but it's all w/e you make outta it. |
You sound like the jackass from my school who wanted to build a 1000 student Greek village without even asking if the students wanted it.
Some points: At the MAJORITY of schools, there are more fraternities than sororities. This is because IFC does not set quota and total as Panhellenic does and the fraternities are more likely to be widely varying sizes. Penn State has over twice the number of fraternities as sororities. (And last I looked, their Greek system is pretty strong.) If "none of the sororities really stand out", why on earth do you think a new group will help? They're going to be recruiting from the same student body, unless they take a bunch of girls who are the complete opposite of anyone in the Greek system, and after the initial wow they will sink like a stone. You are very uneducated talking about an expansion process you obviously know NOTHING about and haven't bothered to research. If you are indicative of the Greek system at UWF, no wonder they are having problems. |
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New organizations always bring out people who never went greek before mainly because they never had interest in the current organizations. An example would be PIKE right now. People never wanted to go greek before because the organizations currently on campus were not for them. They obviously do not like how they are ran so there for they want to go out and run their own organizations. Obviously, you don't go to UWF and you don't know what goes on there. UWF is always adding something each year. The commons area has added about 3 new places to eat and is going to add more restaurants in the near future. Science and Engineering building opens up in the next 6-12 months. After that there will be a new dorm up in 2010. The athletics logo had a new make over, which FYI that shit costs a TON of money to do. After that I am sure they will find some new shit to build. There is always talk for more expansion as well. It's a never ending concept because UWF is trying so hard to keep up with universities that opened around the same time that it did that are way more advanced. And everyone wants to expand. And at some rate, they are going to be forced to. The student population is rising each year and pretty soon UWF will need to support all these new people. And another thing you don't understand is that UWF has a very low budget. They are dependant ALOT on alumni support because the city of Pensacola is very poor and the University doesn't get as much funding as other schools. I am sure more greek organizations will make room for more alumni that are very likely to support UWF and help it grow. Greek Life keeps expanding at UWF. UWF has added AXO, Sigma Chi and Phi Beta Sigma in the last 3 years and now PIKE is starting to work it's way into a colony next semester. I THINK they wouldn't mind a few more organizations considering the recent evidence. |
Yeah but fraternity and sorority rush are too completely different animals, and just because another fraternity is coming up doesn't mean that it would support more sororities.
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I'm sure at a point they will stop allowing more organizations, but right now anything that looks good and will make a positive impact on UWF will more than likely have a foot in the door. They rarely ever say no on anything at the moment. |
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Boys have penises. Girls have vaginas. Boys and girls are different. So is the manner of adding sororities as opposed to that of adding fraternities. Please look into this and try to understand it rather than just shooting off your mouth. |
As a current sorority member at UWF, I can tell you that the campus is not opening for expansion anytime soon.
Yes, all 4 sororities made quota (3 made quota plus) during Fall recruitment, but not all sororities are currently at the campus total of 60. |
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Problem solved! /end of sarcasm |
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Boys generally know nothing about how NPC works, and as such, should refrain from giving NPC advice. Also, the three new orgs that were mentioned: AXO, Sig Chi, and PBS - they are all different councils (NPC, NIC, NPHC), which is why it was possible to add 3 new orgs, since they're not recruiting from the same "pool" of people. If they were all three NPCs it probably wouldn't have worked. |
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First off, I'd like to thank everyone for their input - especially the current UWF student, your information was very helpful. I believe there was a misunderstanding, I did not think UWF should have a large greek system like that of FSU and UF. With it being a younger school with a much younger greek life, that would be an impossibility at this time. I believe in leaving a place better than it was when you first came there, my first instinct was that Panhellenic expansion would be a way to do just that. However, after getting to know the university and even some of the sorority members better I learned that expansion was not what was needed. The girls have told me that recruitment numbers as a whole were down this year. Clearly UWF's Panhellenic must strengthen what's within before expansion should even be considered. UWF is a great school that will continue to grow, and eventually the greek life will have a need to grow with it. There just happens to be no need for it at this time. Thanks again for all your suggestions and input, it was greatly appreciated!
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