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nittanygirl 08-20-2009 02:13 PM
Class during recruitment!?!
 
I have a one night a week 3.5 hour class and our recruitment is super long...like a week and a half (monday through the next week's thursday - 1 day orientation, 3 days open houses, 1 day first rounds, 1 day break - for football games, 1 more day first rounds, 2 days second rounds, pref night and then finally bid day)
I do not like to miss class at all, and I know I can get excused from recruitment... I'd be missing a day of open houses and a day of 2nd rounds...
I am really worried that is going to hurt my chances since I will not be there to make an impression (esp during second rounds) and was wondering, does the greeklife office let the sororities know that the girl is missing because of class?
I just feel like with my luck I'm going to miss out on the chapters i'd like to have a chance with because since it is such a big school with large greek life and the girls are rushing about 600-700 girls i think on average that i'll get lost in the crowd...plus I'm a sophomore and worried I may be pushing my luck even to start off if i'm missing recruitment

Anyways, just mostly wondering, do your schools let you know if a girl is missing because of a leqit reason like class and if so I know we cant say exactly why anyone gets cut, but do you still try to keep those girls in mind if they make a good impression in first rounds, etc?

KSUViolet06 08-20-2009 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nittanygirl (Post 1837918)
I have a one night a week 3.5 hour class and our recruitment is super long...like a week and a half (monday through the next week's thursday - 1 day orientation, 3 days open houses, 1 day first rounds, 1 day break - for football games, 1 more day first rounds, 2 days second rounds, pref night and then finally bid day)

I do not like to miss class at all, and I know I can get excused from recruitment... I'd be missing a day of open houses and a day of 2nd rounds...
I am really worried that is going to hurt my chances since I will not be there to make an impression (esp during second rounds) and was wondering, does the greeklife office let the sororities know that the girl is missing because of class?

I just feel like with my luck I'm going to miss out on the chapters i'd like to have a chance with because since it is such a big school with large greek life and the girls are rushing about 600-700 girls i think on average that i'll get lost in the crowd...plus I'm a sophomore and worried I may be pushing my luck even to start off with because I'm also in a service sorority chapter...

Anyways, just mostly wondering, do your schools let you know if a girl is missing because of a leqit reason like class and if so I know we cant say exactly why anyone gets cut, but do you still try to keep those girls in mind if they make a good impression in first rounds, etc?
This is something you'll need to ask your Rho Chi/Gamma Chi/whatever when you register.

Every school handles absences differently. At my school, Rho Chi's would let us know if a PNM was going to be absent for class. Whether we wanted to invite that PNM back was up to us. We weren't obligated to keep them or cut them.

Every sorority is different. We can't really say if a chapter is going to invite you back if you miss parties because every chapter makes decisions differently.


qbt1990 08-20-2009 02:24 PM
When I went through recruitment, the rho chi's told us that if we had class we should go - school is the most important. This was terrible advice. Every girl in my group who skipped parties for class got cut from those chapters. Luckily, I chose to miss one class to go to recruitment and I am so glad I did. It sounds really bad, but it IS only one class and you can easily get caught up the following week. I also hate skipping class but it's worth it so you maximize your opportunities.

BlueCarnation 08-20-2009 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by qbt1990 (Post 1837928)
When I went through recruitment, the rho chi's told us that if we had class we should go - school is the most important. This was terrible advice. Every girl in my group who skipped parties for class got cut from those chapters. Luckily, I chose to miss one class to go to recruitment and I am so glad I did. It sounds really bad, but it IS only one class and you can easily get caught up the following week. I also hate skipping class but it's worth it so you maximize your opportunities.
I agree, to an extent...I think it depends on the class and what the attendance policy is. If it's a lab or something, that's probably not possible, but if it's a lecture, then it's usually more lenient. Most professors are NOT understanding if you tell them you are missing a class for recruitment at Big Ten schools, in my experience. You just need to decide what your priorities are.

KSUViolet06 08-20-2009 02:30 PM
Something to note:

At some schools, PNMs can be released from recruitment if they miss class in order to attend a recruitment event.

I'd strongly suggest checking to see if your school has such a policy before you decide to skip class for recruitment.

nittanygirl 08-20-2009 02:50 PM
I'll def check to see if there is a policy.
The thing with this class is that since it is one night a week only, there are quizzes every week. I just found an email address for the person we're supposed to email about it so I'm just gonna stick it out and see what she says about it.

I understand that sororities have no obligation to keep/cut and it's up to them. I just wondered if for the most part the chapters were notified.

If I have to miss recruitment I'm going to try my best to just make an awesome impression when I am there.

Kansas City 08-20-2009 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by qbt1990 (Post 1837928)
When I went through recruitment, the rho chi's told us that if we had class we should go - school is the most important. This was terrible advice. Every girl in my group who skipped parties for class got cut from those chapters. Luckily, I chose to miss one class to go to recruitment and I am so glad I did. It sounds really bad, but it IS only one class and you can easily get caught up the following week. I also hate skipping class but it's worth it so you maximize your opportunities.
I'd be cautions about the part I bolded. If this is a condensed class equaling 3.5 hours and you believe that you may have to miss it twice during the 1.5 week recruitment time-period, that would be equal to skipping the same regular/daytime class consistently for two entire weeks during what, an 10-12 week semester! Just think of all the material that will be covered, assignments that may be issued, and tests/quizzes you may have to miss. You should definitely check with your recruitment counselor and Greek Life office and go with their recommendation based on the recruitment climate at your specific school.

ThetaPrincess24 08-20-2009 03:38 PM
My school's Panhellenic works with PNM's who have class during recruitment parties. They will do a split party schedule for them.

For example let's say Philanthropy night parties are 1 hour long. A PNM has some kind of scheduling conflict and is not able to attend a 1 hour party for 8 chapters. They split up her schedule, so she visits two chapters in that one hour period. The sorority is made aware of the arrangement prior to the PNM showing up and is prepared for it.

Your Greek Life office/Greek Advisor should be able to tell you if they make such accomodations.

nittanygirl 08-20-2009 04:48 PM
Thanks for your help guys!
I emailed the membership vp and she was very helpful.
It does look as though I'm going to have to make a choice about classes (my school doesn't do the split parties though that sounds like it would be so helpful.
With her help though, I feel like this will be an easier & less stressful decision for me to make.
I am getting even more excited as it gets closer to recruitment!

mcdavis4 08-20-2009 04:50 PM
I'm glad you asked this quesion. My daughter has been stressing about this too. She doesn't have recruitment until next month and during the first round she has a lab. She was going to see if the professor would let her attend another lab session.

Psi U MC Vito 08-20-2009 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nittanygirl (Post 1837967)
Thanks for your help guys!
I emailed the membership vp and she was very helpful.
It does look as though I'm going to have to make a choice about classes (my school doesn't do the split parties though that sounds like it would be so helpful. With her help though, I feel like this will be an easier & less stressful decision for me to make.
I am getting even more excited as it gets closer to recruitment!
This is my opinion on it. If you are wiling to put sororities over classes, when you aren't even a member of one, how will it effect you if you do cross. I guarantee these kind of conflicts will happen again, and you need to figure out early which is more important to you.

knight_shadow 08-20-2009 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1837981)
This is my opinion on it. If you are wiling to put sororities over classes, when you aren't even a member of one, how will it effect you if you do cross. I guarantee these kind of conflicts will happen again, and you need to figure out early which is more important to you.
I remember having this discussion on GC about a year ago. I agree with your stance (the purpose of college is graduating, not rushing -- my org and my council is set up to accomodate that), but there are a bunch of organizations that want you to show up to these things or face getting cut/not getting a bid. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

ETA: Here's the thread.

Psi U MC Vito 08-20-2009 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1837984)
I remember having this discussion on GC about a year ago. I agree with your stance (the purpose of college is graduating, not rushing -- my org and my council is set up to accomodate that), but there are a bunch of organizations that want you to show up to these things or face getting cut/not getting a bid. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

ETA: Here's the thread.
We only do informal recruitment, which is what I guess would be considered to be COB for NPC, but we always set events to happen after night class if they are at night.

Carpe Aeternum 08-20-2009 06:00 PM
I'm glad you're on your way to figuring it out... don't forget to check your syllabus. If this class meets once a week, you probably get very few skips. You may want those skips to spend with your sisters or you may NEED them later in the semester due to illness, family emergency, huge paper. IME, the consequences for missing classes that are this long are severe: withdrawn from course, dropped a letter grade, etc.

I'm a fellow PNM, so I can't speak on the missing recruitment aspect; but from a purely academic standpoint, I've seen friends go to the end of the semester with no skips and seen it wreck havoc. Keep that in mind when making your decision.

aephi alum 08-20-2009 06:42 PM
Don't skip class. You're at college to learn, and your first priority should be your classes.

As others have suggested, talk to your rho chi (or whatever they are called at your school). If nothing else, she can try to make sure most or all of your second round parties are scheduled on the day you don't have class (if you don't have a full schedule), to minimize the number of parties you'd be missing while you're in class.

nittanygirl 08-21-2009 10:35 AM
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33girl 08-21-2009 10:49 AM
If your prof will let you attend another section, that would be the ideal solution. I completely understand not wanting to miss any parties because you've got lots of 'em to attend.

For the most part, no one's telling you what to do or not to do - just to be sure that you won't get kicked out of rush if you do skip class. Some schools will release you automatically. Check with the Greek life office and see if this is the case, and if so, make SURE that if you do get the option to attend another section that your professor writes you a note so you can let Panhel know.

This is one of the myriad reasons why night classes blow chunks. :mad:

knight_shadow 08-21-2009 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by nittanygirl (Post 1838184)
I made my decision
Good. All we did was offer different perspectives. You can take them or leave them.

And most of us have graduated from college, so we know that the "experience" is important. But college is for your education.

chickenoodle 08-21-2009 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1838186)

For the most part, no one's telling you what to do or not to do - just to be sure that you won't get kicked out of rush if you do skip class. Some schools will release you automatically. Check with the Greek life office and see if this is the case, and if so, make SURE that if you do get the option to attend another section that your professor writes you a note so you can let Panhel know.

To me, it seems that if Greek life would penalize a PNM for skipping class during recruitment, then they should offer a suitable accommodation. If PNMs are being penalized (dropped from houses) for going to class, I question the Council's committment to academics. I understand scholarship is important to all GLOs which is why I don't understand why such a system encourages students to skip class.

33girl 08-21-2009 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chickenoodle (Post 1838210)
To me, it seems that if Greek life would penalize a PNM for skipping class during recruitment, then they should offer a suitable accommodation. If PNMs are being penalized (dropped from houses) for going to class, I question the Council's committment to academics. I understand scholarship is important to all GLOs which is why I don't understand why such a system encourages students to skip class.
It doesn't. If you're interested in rushing, you should plan ahead and not schedule night classes the semester you're going to rush. I realize sometimes they're unavoidable, though.

Low C Sharp 08-21-2009 03:06 PM
I understand why panhellenics adopt the rule that you'll be dropped if you skip class for rush. That being said, in the absence of that rule, it's perfectly possible to skip class for an activity that matters to you and still have academics as priority #1. Skipping one Wednesday night lecture for rush doesn't mean greek life outranks academics for you. If just means that it outranks this one lecture for you.
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nittanygirl 08-21-2009 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Low C Sharp (Post 1838263)
I understand why panhellenics adopt the rule that you'll be dropped if you skip class for rush. That being said, in the absence of that rule, it's perfectly possible to skip class for an activity that matters to you and still have academics as priority #1. Skipping one Wednesday night lecture for rush doesn't mean greek life outranks academics for you. If just means that it outranks this one lecture for you.
:-) my point exactly.
i'm still not happy about missing class...but that's why I decided to compromise.
It is sad that our school doesn't offer accommodation, but with a rush that is already nearly 2 weeks long just to fit everything in, I understand how that would be hard.

chitown 08-21-2009 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nittanygirl (Post 1838299)
:-) my point exactly.
i'm still not happy about missing class...but that's why I decided to compromise.
It is sad that our school doesn't offer accommodation, but with a rush that is already nearly 2 weeks long just to fit everything in, I understand how that would be hard.
I think you're being very wise and mature about this situation. As a pretty recent alum, I remember situations like this where during our selection process we were told "so and so had class, etc. and couldn't return for philanthropy night" but we still had to vote on them...and honestly, when you meet so many people and you don't remember who is who and you have to cut someone, sometimes its the girl you just didn't see around that night, even if it wasn't her fault.

That said, you pay for school and it's important...but school is for four years, and your sorority is for life. I 100% promise that missing one class your freshman year isn't going to matter on graduation day. But when you're standing in your caps and gowns surrounded by sisters, that will matter.

Anyway. That's just my two cents.

BlueCarnation 08-21-2009 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1838246)
It doesn't. If you're interested in rushing, you should plan ahead and not schedule night classes the semester you're going to rush. I realize sometimes they're unavoidable, though.
Yeah, at a huge school like Penn State, it's probably pretty hard if you're a freshman. Unless you're lucky enough to get an early orientation spot where you can sign up for a good schedule. With so many budget cuts and cut backs on class sections, the only open spots are sometimes the crappy (i.e., night) classes.

LionTamer 08-22-2009 01:32 PM
It's been a long time since I went through rush (it was called rush, and there were no sororitites in East Halls), but I think you made exactly the right call - split the difference.

My only word of advice, from someone who still has blisters from wearing Candies from Ritner to Cooper and back to Wolf, is to keep a pair of flip-flops or other comfy shoes in your purse. All that walking is BRUTAL.

Enjoy the most grueling recruitment in America, and I hope you'll post your experiences here (discreetly, of course).

Downside to PSU recruitment: Too damned many parties
Upside to PSU recruitment: Lots of excellent choices!

aephi alum 08-24-2009 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by nittanygirl (Post 1838184)
I made my decision as a compromise. If my prof will not let me attend another section of class, I will be missing part of the first night of open rounds, and then I will be missing class for second rounds. Missing one class or missing out on a lifetime of memories and experiences of sisterhood? I think I can miss one class.
I see - I didn't understand that there was more than one section of the class in question. If you could attend a different section once, so that you don't have to miss part of open houses - there you go.

nittanygirl 08-28-2009 10:06 AM
I'm still pretty torn but about it all but I believe it is the best I can do for now.
& LionTamer, they have moved the sororities back out of East Halls this year (it would have been brutal to walk that)


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