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FΔithHΩpeLoΛe 07-21-2009 10:13 AM

Definition of "Chapter"
 
Hi there, I'm a total newbie to the Greek Life so please excuse my ignorance regarding my question:

What is a "chapter" of a Sorority and why do they have different names to the Sorority? Example, Sigma Sigma Sigma had a Delta Nu Chapter...

Also why do some Sororites have only 2 greek letters instead of three? Example, Chi Omega.

Thanks! :o

SydneyK 07-21-2009 10:47 AM

Using your example, the Delta Nu chapter of Sigma Sigma Sigma might be at State University, whereas the Delta Xi chapter of Sigma Sigma Sigma might be at State Tech. The national group (Sigma Sigma Sigma) is broken down into university-tied groups (chapters). This is the case for all national sororities. The chapter name designates the university with which the national sorority is affiliated.

(I was never a Rho Chi and boy am I glad! It's hard to define chapter!)

Some sororities have two letters because that's what their founders chose. Others have three letters because, you guessed it, that's what their founders chose.

Are you a PNM? A new member somewhere? (Just asking because of the Greek letters in your username.)

Zillini 07-21-2009 11:20 AM

Each organization's founders selected their 2-3 Greek letter name. Some group's reasons for their name are confidential, some are publicly known. A "chapter" is the term used for each chartered group on each University campus of an Inter/national org.

Typically orgs give each chapter an identifying name when it is chartered and that is often based on the Greek alphabet. The founding/first chapter would be Alpha, the next Beta, all the way through Omega. After that they started with Alpha Alpha through Alpha Omega, then on to Beta Alpha through Beta Omega, and so on.

FΔithHΩpeLoΛe 07-21-2009 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zillini (Post 1827540)
The founding/first chapter would be Alpha, the next Beta, all the way through Omega. After that they started with Alpha Alpha through Alpha Omega, then on to Beta Alpha through Beta Omega, and so on.

Oh ok, I see - but not all organisations follow that system, right?

If I was starting a new Sorority could I just randomly pick three Greek letters based solely on the fact that a Sorority does not exist with that name? Especially if it's the founding chapter?

And Sydney: No, I'm not a member of any Sorority, I'm still trying to understand the system before I weigh up any options.

Psi U MC Vito 07-21-2009 01:07 PM

You could, but there is usually some sort of meaning behind the letters. Why do you want to make your own instead of joining an existing one? Also why the letters in your user name.

ASTalumna06 07-21-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827576)
Oh ok, I see - but not all organisations follow that system, right?

If I was starting a new Sorority could I just randomly pick three Greek letters based solely on the fact that a Sorority does not exist with that name? Especially if it's the founding chapter?

And Sydney: No, I'm not a member of any Sorority, I'm still trying to understand the system before I weigh up any options.

If you're starting a new sorority, then it would start as a local sorority, and there would only be one chapter. Therefore, you wouldn't necessarily need to give it a Greek letter chapter designation. As for the name of the actual sorority, if you're starting the whole thing from scratch (A HUGE UNDERTAKING!!), then you can name it anything you want, for whatever reason you wish.

And actually, Delta Chi, a national fraternity, doesn't even use Greek letters for individual chapters. Their chapter here at Penn State Behrend is simply known as the "Behrend Chapter".

emb021 07-21-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827576)
Oh ok, I see - but not all organisations follow that system, right?

Most do.

Those that don't follow the style of 'alpha of state x', 'alpha of state z', 'beta of state x', etc.

As noted, each Chapter is given a designation. These is determined by the org's National office, and done in order of ther groups chartering. You always know what chapter you joined, and when you met other members from your org, telling them your chapter designation (Chapter XYZ) along with the school is the norm.

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If I was starting a new Sorority could I just randomly pick three Greek letters based solely on the fact that a Sorority does not exist with that name? Especially if it's the founding chapter?
First off, greek letters are NOT picked randomly. And yes, you'd need to pick a set not already in use, as pretty much all national groups have trademarked their names.

And yes, if you were founding a new org, you would be founding the first chapter (Alpha Chapter of new org XYZ).

Basically, with GLOs, the greek letters are the initials of the group's *real* name, rendered in the greek language. For instance, Phi Beta Kappa is called that because the letters are the initials of a greek phrase that means "Love of learning is the guide of life".

SydneyK 07-21-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827576)
Oh ok, I see - but not all organisations follow that system, right?

Right. Some organizations designate chapter name using other methods. Some fraternities, for example, designate the state where the chapter resides (Tennessee Beta, for example).

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827576)
If I was starting a new Sorority could I just randomly pick three Greek letters based solely on the fact that a Sorority does not exist with that name? Especially if it's the founding chapter?

Correct. Only the founders choose the name of the sorority. And as Psi U MC Vito said, the name wouldn't be random letters - there's usually a reason why the chosen letters were chosen.

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827576)
And Sydney: No, I'm not a member of any Sorority, I'm still trying to understand the system before I weigh up any options.

While that's noble and all, it isn't necessary to understand all the intricacies of Greek life before becoming active in Greek life. That's partly what the new member period is for. It sounds like you're wanting to start a new sorority - there are several threads on GC that you should read if you're really thinking about starting one.

ETA: Looks like several of us cross-posted, saying essentially the same things!

Psi U MC Vito 07-21-2009 01:15 PM

I forgot to mention not all GLO that use Greek Letters for the Chapter names go by order. Like our first chapter was the Theta Chapter, not the Alpha Chapter. Those organizations that do that have specific reasons for the chapter names.

pshsx1 07-21-2009 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1827579)
If you're starting a new sorority, then it would start as a local sorority, and there would only be one chapter. Therefore, you wouldn't necessarily need to give it a Greek letter chapter designation.

BUT, if you were to give a chapter designation, it'd the Alpha chapter (or Nevada Alpha or Evansville Chapter or whatever).

Example: Two of the locals on my campus go by a chapter designation. One calls itself the Alpha Chapter and the other calls itself the Delta chapter b/c of things that have happened in its history.

I too am curious, though... Why the Delta Omega Lambda in your user name?

knight_shadow 07-21-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pshsx1 (Post 1827593)
I too am curious, though... Why the Delta Omega Lambda in your user name?

Looks like she just picked Greek letters that looked like the English letters.

Elephant Walk 07-21-2009 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1827585)
I forgot to mention not all GLO that use Greek Letters for the Chapter names go by order. Like our first chapter was the Theta Chapter, not the Alpha Chapter. Those organizations that do that have specific reasons for the chapter names.

And Psi for the first chapter of Chi - O at the glorious University of Arkansas.

Btw, Phi Gamma Delta also doesn't follow the "Alpha, Beta, Gamma" format at least post 1900. They designate their chapters by placenames. For instance, the Fayettville, Arkansas chapter is the Phi Alpha chapter. Or FA.

pshsx1 07-21-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1827597)
Looks like she just picked Greek letters that looked like the English letters.

That was my assumption, but you never know.

Gusteau 07-21-2009 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1827579)
And actually, Delta Chi, a national fraternity, doesn't even use Greek letters for individual chapters. Their chapter here at Penn State Behrend is simply known as the "Behrend Chapter".

Kind of a sidetrack, but a FUN FACT nonetheless: The reason we believe our founders decided to name their chapter after their university was because they wanted the prestige of Cornell to rub off on their newly founded group. So from the beginning they were known as "The Cornel Chapter of The Delta Chi Fraternity."

Herff Jones, however has not gotten the memo because they only offer us Greek letter guards and not English letters (though I have seen some old badges with English guards.)

33girl 07-21-2009 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gusteau (Post 1827657)
Kind of a sidetrack, but a FUN FACT nonetheless: The reason we believe our founders decided to name their chapter after their university was because they wanted the prestige of Cornell to rub off on their newly founded group. So from the beginning they were known as "The Cornel Chapter of The Delta Chi Fraternity."

Herff Jones, however has not gotten the memo because they only offer us Greek letter guards and not English letters (though I have seen some old badges with English guards.)

Wow, I never knew this - interesting. How would you have a guard in English though - especially if you went to (ex) Transylvania University? Wouldn't that be a tad long?

Gusteau 07-21-2009 05:25 PM

From what I've seen the guards are usually the initials of the chapter so "TU" for Transylvania - although many chapter names omit the "university" so they could get away with ordering a "Tau" guard. Likewise our Northwest Missouri chapter can get away with ordering a "Nu Mu" guard but not all chapters (like mine) have Greek-English equivalents.

FΔithHΩpeLoΛe 07-22-2009 08:52 AM

Wow, thanks everyone for your answers, I think I get it now :o

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1827597)
Looks like she just picked Greek letters that looked like the English letters.

Lol, yeah I did! I wanted my username to be FaithHopeLove and then picked random greek letters to make it look different - Apologies if I offended anyone :o

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 1827579)
If you're starting a new sorority, then it would start as a local sorority, and there would only be one chapter. Therefore, you wouldn't necessarily need to give it a Greek letter chapter designation. As for the name of the actual sorority, if you're starting the whole thing from scratch (A HUGE UNDERTAKING!!), then you can name it anything you want, for whatever reason you wish.

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Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 1827584)
It sounds like you're wanting to start a new sorority - there are several threads on GC that you should read if you're really thinking about starting one.

I never thought of starting a Sorority, and I definitely won't now :D I just wanted to know what thoughts go into naming a Sorority because I'm new to Greek life and want to understand the naming process behind the Sororities I want to join so I don't get confused when I meet someone from a different chapter.

Thanks for all your help!

33girl 07-22-2009 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827837)
Lol, yeah I did! I wanted my username to be FaithHopeLove and then picked random greek letters to make it look different - Apologies if I offended anyone :o

Well, just to let you know, your username actually is Fdith Hqpe Lole. Greek letters often look NOTHING like their English equivalents (despite what a passel of graphic design firms or clothing manufacturers would have you believe).

Psi U MC Vito 07-22-2009 01:14 PM

Ironically the proper letters for the first two actually look like the english equivalent. Is there even a v sound in Greek?

knight_shadow 07-22-2009 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1827890)
Ironically the proper letters for the first two actually look like the english equivalent.

But then they wouldn't be cool Greek letters :o

FΔithHΩpeLoΛe 07-22-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1827887)
Well, just to let you know, your username actually is Fdith Hqpe Lole. Greek letters often look NOTHING like their English equivalents (despite what a passel of graphic design firms or clothing manufacturers would have you believe).

My username wasn't *supposed* to look like it contained the English equivalents of the Greek letters, it was supposed to look like I substituted the letters A, O, and V with symbols that *looked* like the English letters, not *translated* into English letters...

33girl 07-22-2009 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827996)
My username wasn't *supposed* to look like it contained the English equivalents of the Greek letters, it was supposed to look like I substituted the letters A, O, and V with symbols that *looked* like the English letters, not *translated* into English letters...

But why would you want to have a username that makes no sense? Greek letters aren't just fun symbols, they are letters in an alphabet.

It's kind of the equivalent of getting a Chinese tattoo that looks cool and then finding out it means "cabbage skyscraper" or something of the like.

Psi U MC Vito 07-22-2009 08:35 PM

ΦΑΙΘ ΗΟΠΕ ΛΟΒΕ

The proper way to spell it.

FΔithHΩpeLoΛe 07-23-2009 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1827998)
But why would you want to have a username that makes no sense? Greek letters aren't just fun symbols, they are letters in an alphabet.

It's kind of the equivalent of getting a Chinese tattoo that looks cool and then finding out it means "cabbage skyscraper" or something of the like.

Ok, I already apologised - I can't change it so can we just get over it now?

33girl 07-23-2009 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1828268)
Ok, I already apologised - I can't change it so can we just get over it now?

Actually, yes you can change it.

Elephant Walk 07-23-2009 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1828268)
Ok, I already apologised - I can't change it so can we just get over it now?

Are you Canadian? Or Brit?

Are there rumours?

violetpretty 07-24-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1827576)
Oh ok, I see - but not all organisations follow that system, right?

A few exceptions in the NPC:

*Alpha Omicron Pi allows each colony to choose the chapter designation, usually based on a chapter sub-motto. For example, the colony at the University of Arkansas became the Xi Omicron chapter, for "excellence overall".
*Alpha Epsilon Phi goes Alpha to Omega, Alpha Alpha to Alpha Omega, Epsilon Alpha to Epsilon Omega, Phi Alpha to Phi Omega, and then resumes with the Betas. Delta Phi Epsilon also does this, except their first three sets after the single letter chapters are Delta, Phi and Epsilon.
*Chi Omega does the basic system, but backwards and omitting Omega. The second letter is the "set". The first chapter is Psi, then Chi, then Phi...then Psi Alpha, Chi Alpha, Phi Alpha...Alpha Alpha, then Psi Beta, Chi Beta, Phi Beta....Alpha Beta.
*Kappa Delta has many chapters not named in the conventional manner. Some designations were given to honor people, the school, or the locals that KD absorbed. See these two posts by Leslie Anne and ta kala. (Thank you Shellfish!)
*Pi Beta Phi names chapters by the state and the order it was chartered in that state. Virginia Alpha, Virginia Beta, Virginia Gamma...Ohio Alpha, Ohio Beta, etc.
*Alpha Gamma Delta names chapters by region. The first Greek letter is the region designation and the second is the order in which that chapter was chartered within the region. (Thank you VandalSquirrel!) Any Phi Mus correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Phi Mu also does this too.

Psi U MC Vito 07-24-2009 12:18 AM

Chi Omega, Alpha Epsilon Phi and Delta Phi Epsilon have really interesting systems.

pshsx1 07-24-2009 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 1828468)
*Pi Beta Phi names chapters by the state and the order it was chartered in that state. Virginia Alpha, Virginia Beta, Virginia Gamma...Ohio Alpha, Ohio Beta, etc.

Same with SigEp (which was mentioned). But also kind of interesting, we also used to go by Alpha, Beta...Psi, Omega, Beta Alpha.. etc. But then at some point (I believe it was after our merger with Tau Upsilon Omega), the chapter designations were switched to states and Greek letters. Also, we don't have a North Carolina Alpha chapter. I think it's because of both a SPE and TUO chapter closing and rechartering? I really don't remember.

And California and Pennsylvania are the only states I believe with double letters (ex. CA Beta Gamma, PA Beta Alpha).

Shellfish 07-24-2009 12:29 PM

Some previous posts about KD chapters' letters:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...&postcount=151
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...&postcount=156

VandalSquirrel 07-24-2009 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 1828468)
A few exceptions in the NPC:

*Alpha Omicron Pi allows each colony to choose the chapter designation, usually based on a chapter sub-motto. For example, the colony at the University of Arkansas became the Xi Omicron chapter, for "excellence overall".
*Alpha Epsilon Phi goes Alpha to Omega, Alpha Alpha to Alpha Omega, Epsilon Alpha to Epsilon Omega, Phi Alpha to Phi Omega, and then resumes with the Betas. Delta Phi Epsilon also does this, except their first three sets after the single letter chapters are Delta, Phi and Epsilon.
*Chi Omega does the basic system, but backwards and omitting Omega. The second letter is the "set". The first chapter is Psi, then Chi, then Phi...then Psi Alpha, Chi Alpha, Phi Alpha...Alpha Alpha, then Psi Beta, Chi Beta, Phi Beta....Alpha Beta.
*I've think Tri Delta and Kappa Delta have some chapters that appear not to be named in the conventional manner (i.e. Sigma ___ chapters that are old), but I don't know if there was a pattern or reason for it.
*Pi Beta Phi names chapters by the state and the order it was chartered in that state. Virginia Alpha, Virginia Beta, Virginia Gamma...Ohio Alpha, Ohio Beta, etc.

Alpha Gamma Delta has regions with different letters (Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, Epsilon, Kappa, Theta, Zeta) with the second letter in alphabetical Greek order. For example our newest chapter at Roosevolet is Beta Upsilon, but my chapter is Delta Theta, and was founded 50 years before. Our first 24 chapters are Alpha - Omega, with Chapter Grand reserved for deceased sisters.

FΔithHΩpeLoΛe 07-25-2009 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1828308)
Actually, yes you can change it.

Ok, how?

33girl 07-25-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FΔithHΩpeLoΛe (Post 1828955)
Ok, how?

Send a request to John, the site administrator.

Ghostwriter 07-27-2009 05:22 PM

I think her name looks okay the way it is. Who cares if it is not exactly matching the right letters. It is different.

Psi U MC Vito 07-27-2009 05:45 PM

I think the main reason people are unhappy is that she is using Greek Letters just to look cool, without any meaning behind it. I'm sure people would have been fine if Delta Omega Lambda was the name of a sorority or something.

AOII Angel 07-27-2009 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by violetpretty (Post 1828468)
A few exceptions in the NPC:

*Alpha Omicron Pi allows each colony to choose the chapter designation, usually based on a chapter sub-motto. For example, the colony at the University of Arkansas became the Xi Omicron chapter, for "excellence overall".

Many chapters chose their names to honor sisters, ie. Phi Chi at Univ of Chicago was named for Peg Crawford, AOII International President, who was instrumental in getting them started as the first NPC on campus. Not all names have direct correlations from chapter designation to sub-motto either. For example, our newest chapter at Washington University in St. Louis is Delta Kappa, but their sub-motto is Kalokagathia meaning "Excellent/Beautiful and Good." There is no word signified by Delta in their sub-motto. I wonder how they come up with the ideas for chapter names...I'm glad I didn't have to!

33girl 07-27-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1829510)
I wonder how they come up with the ideas for chapter names...I'm glad I didn't have to!

Ain't that the truth. It's hard enough to agree on favors for the formal, I can't imagine the discussions that go into something as huge as a chapter name!!

Psi U MC Vito 07-27-2009 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1829510)
I wonder how they come up with the ideas for chapter names...I'm glad I didn't have to!

Agreed. It's funny, to this day the people in my chapter don't even know how we picked our chapter name.

MysticCat 07-27-2009 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by emb021 (Post 1827581)
Basically, with GLOs, the greek letters are the initials of the group's *real* name, rendered in the greek language. For instance, Phi Beta Kappa is called that because the letters are the initials of a greek phrase that means "Love of learning is the guide of life".

Actually, that example contradicts your claim that "[b]asically, with GLOs, the greek letters are the initials of the group's *real* name." With Phi Beta Kappa, as with many GLOs, the Greek letters stood for the secret motto, not the name. The real name of Phi Beta Kappa was Societas Philosophiae. (And the motto is, I think, traditionally translated "Philosophy is the Guide of Life." There is a difference between "Philosophy" and "Love of Learning" in the context of the founding of Phi Beta Kappa.)

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Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito (Post 1827890)
Ironically the proper letters for the first two actually look like the english equivalent. Is there even a v sound in Greek?

In modern Greek yes. It is represented, I believe, by Beta (pronounced "veta").

Psi U MC Vito 07-27-2009 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1829621)
Actually, that example contradicts your claim that "[b]asically, with GLOs, the greek letters are the initials of the group's *real* name." With Phi Beta Kappa, as with many GLOs, the Greek letters stood for the secret motto, not the name. The real name of Phi Beta Kappa was Societas Philosophiae. (And the motto is, I think, traditionally translated "Philosophy is the Guide of Life." There is a difference between "Philosophy" and "Love of Learning" in the context of the founding of Phi Beta Kappa.)

In modern Greek yes. It is represented, I believe, by Beta (pronounced "veta").

Phi Beta Kappa was a bad example, but was said is still true. While there are organizations that have separate mottos, for quite a few the motto is the name. And yeah I looked it up after I posted that question.

ETA: Doesn't Philosophy mean the love of wisdom? Not much different from love of learning.


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