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knight_shadow 07-04-2009 05:06 PM

Report: McNair found dead
 
And it continues...

Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair has been killed, a source has confirmed to ESPN.com.

McNair, police said, suffered a fatal gunshot wound to the head in downtown Nashville. A female victim was also found dead, police spokesperson Don Aaron said. Aaron said the women has not been identified, pending notification of next of kin.

The incident happened near 2nd South & Lea Ave in Nashville.


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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=NFLHeadlines

kiteflyersmom 07-04-2009 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1823075)
And it continues...

Former Tennessee Titans quarterback Steve McNair has been killed, a source has confirmed to ESPN.com.

McNair, police said, suffered a fatal gunshot wound to the head in downtown Nashville. A female victim was also found dead, police spokesperson Don Aaron said. Aaron said the women has not been identified, pending notification of next of kin.

The incident happened near 2nd South & Lea Ave in Nashville.


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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=NFLHeadlines

Oh my gosh....this is awful news. I'm so sorry for his family, as well as that of the female found with him.

ComradesTrue 07-04-2009 05:13 PM

So, so very sad.

I am just in shock.

deltadevil 07-04-2009 05:38 PM

I just saw this on espn. R.I.P

BetteDavisEyes 07-04-2009 05:43 PM

R.I.P. :(

SBA 07-04-2009 07:10 PM

R.I.P.


This is worst week to be a celebrity

Jill1228 07-04-2009 08:57 PM

I am floored. It is a horrible week for celebrities. I read this and said, "Holy shit!"
DH was like, "ok, who died now?"

texas*princess 07-04-2009 08:57 PM

Wow that is so crazy. Such a needless crime. I hope they find whoever is responsible

DaemonSeid 07-04-2009 10:10 PM

well depending on what you hear, the one responsible may be already dead...McNair himself.

I hope not.

deltadevil 07-04-2009 10:59 PM

Yeh a lot of celebs are being found dead now.

DrPhil 07-04-2009 11:06 PM

R.I.P.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1823122)
well depending on what you hear, the one responsible may be already dead...McNair himself.

I hope not.

If it was a murder-suicide, the woman was the murderer-suicider. McNair had multiple shots and she had one shot to the head. The gun was found near her. He was on the couch and she was on the floor.

Of course, they will figure out who died first and whether the woman could've shot herself where she was shot.

Tippiechick 07-04-2009 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1823130)
R.I.P.



If it was a murder-suicide, the woman was the murderer-suicider. McNair had multiple shots and she had one shot to the head. The gun was found near her. He was on the couch and she was on the floor.

Of course, they will figure out who died first and whether the woman could've shot herself where she was shot.

Exactly.

Nashville cops are saying that SHE may have been the one who was the killer.

She was busted for DUI in the Escalade he bought her just a few days ago. Didn't make headlines, b/c the Nashville cops kept it out of the news loop by not reporting a) the car was in his and her name and b) he was in the passenger seat...

A bar he frequents has said he was approached by a woman a few days ago who accused him of giving her rohypnol. She said her boyfriend was going to kill him. (Rumor... Just Nashville rumor... But, interesting since I know that he did actually go to the bar in question a lot.)

DrPhil 07-04-2009 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tippiechick (Post 1823139)
She was busted for DUI in the Escalade he bought her just a few days ago. Didn't make headlines, b/c the Nashville cops kept it out of the news loop by not reporting a) the car was in his and her name and b) he was in the passenger seat...

Wow! :eek:

I've read people say that she was a "well kept 20 yo mistress" and she should've been happy with being the mistress for 5 months. I'm not blaming him for what may've happened, but one thing is tride and true: Stop complicating your life with drama (affairs, etc.) because you will inevitably lose whatever control of the outcome that you could've had.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippiechick (Post 1823139)
A bar he frequents has said he was approached by a woman a few days ago who accused him of giving her rohypnol. She said her boyfriend was going to kill him. (Rumor... Just Nashville rumor... But, interesting since I know that he did actually go to the bar in question a lot.)

What's the story behind the rohypnol? He allegedly put it in her drink?

Tippiechick 07-05-2009 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1823143)
Wow! :eek:

I've read people say that she was a "well kept 20 yo mistress" and she should've been happy with being the mistress for 5 months. I'm not blaming him for what may've happened, but one thing is tride and true: Stop complicating your life with drama (affairs, etc.) because you will inevitably lose whatever control of the outcome that you could've had.



What's the story behind the rohypnol? He allegedly put it in her drink?

People in her apartment complex say she would come home late in a limo... The condo is believed to be rented so he could see her. Officially, he owns it with a friend. But, the hinting is that it was used for him to have extra-marital affairs.

Not clear on the story of the rohypnol. This is the only media info on it:

"While details are sketchy at this time, NashvillePost.com sources say that the scene could be double homicide, a murder/suicide, or made to look like a murder/suicide. NashvillePost.com has reported that McNair was approached and threatened at a Nashville restaurant Friday evening, though Aaron would not comment on that or any other theory."

and

http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/20..._mcnairs_death

Educatingblue 07-05-2009 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1823143)
Wow! :eek:

I've read people say that she was a "well kept 20 yo mistress" and she should've been happy with being the mistress for 5 months. I'm not blaming him for what may've happened, but one thing is tride and true: Stop complicating your life with drama (affairs, etc.) because you will inevitably lose whatever control of the outcome that you could've had.

I am sorry to hear that he died...but is it really worth it for a piece of a$$. He paid the ultimate price.

DiamondAthena 07-05-2009 11:13 AM

Does anyone know if he was estranged from his wife of 12yrs? I read that he just opened a restaurant, damn he was too young!

33girl 07-05-2009 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1823199)
Does anyone know if he was estranged from his wife of 12yrs? I read that he just opened a restaurant, damn he was too young!

How old was he??? He didn't look old enough in his pic to be married 12 years that's for sure.

dukemama 07-05-2009 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1823240)
How old was he??? He didn't look old enough in his pic to be married 12 years that's for sure.

I believe I heard he was 36.

DiamondAthena 07-05-2009 10:35 PM

yep 36 born, in '73. and I just thought he may have been estranged from his wife b/c the reports made it clear that the "female" found with him was his mistress, but from what I'm hearing the reports may have been how his wife learned of the affair. :eek: So sad...

sigmadiva 07-06-2009 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1823311)
..., but from what I'm hearing the reports may have been how his wife learned of the affair. :eek: So sad...

She may be saying that to put on a brave public face. I have a feeling that she (his wife) probably knew about the affair, because I doubt this woman was his first mistress.

KSigkid 07-06-2009 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 1823469)
She may be saying that to put on a brave public face. I have a feeling that she (his wife) probably knew about the affair, because I doubt this woman was his first mistress.

According to the reports I've read, his wife didn't know. I can't imagine what she's going through right now - finding out that her husband's dead, that he was found with a woman who was his mistress, and that his mistress may have been involved in his killing. How do you come back from something like that?

He traveled a lot around the country doing appearances after he retired - it may not have been all that difficult to conceal the affair. Or, his wife may have heard rumors and chosen to ignore them (because those rumors are all over the place about professional athletes).

sigmadiva 07-06-2009 04:43 PM

^^^^ ehhh.....I still think that she is putting on a brave public face. Not to sound mean, but saying that she did not know about the affair gives her more sympathy. As a woman, you at least have an inkling that your man is stepping out on you. You may not want to admit it (to yourself and others), but in your heart you know.

DiamondAthena 07-06-2009 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 1823544)
^^^^ ehhh.....I still think that she is putting on a brave public face. Not to sound mean, but saying that she did not know about the affair gives her more sympathy. As a woman, you at least have an inkling that your man is stepping out on you. You may not want to admit it (to yourself and others), but in your heart you know.

True, esp if he had more than one, this was only going on a few months!But either way reporting that he was found dead with his girlfirend is just insensitive, I had to google him to find that he was married! WTH? At least if they had said 'found with a woman believed to have been his mistress', I'd have gotten the full picture. I've gotta stop getting my news from the yahoo homepage. LOL:rolleyes:

madmax 07-06-2009 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 1823544)
^^^^ ehhh.....I still think that she is putting on a brave public face. Not to sound mean, but saying that she did not know about the affair gives her more sympathy. As a woman, you at least have an inkling that your man is stepping out on you. You may not want to admit it (to yourself and others), but in your heart you know.


She knew. Where is she going to go with four kids and no money?

DiamondAthena 07-06-2009 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmax (Post 1823549)
She knew. Where is she going to go with four kids and no money?

lmao, what makes you say she had no money? they were married 12 yrs and having 2 kids with him (the other two were from a previous relationship) would get her a grip in Child support. Is TN a community prop. state?

KSig RC 07-06-2009 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 1823544)
^^^^ ehhh.....I still think that she is putting on a brave public face. Not to sound mean, but saying that she did not know about the affair gives her more sympathy. As a woman, you at least have an inkling that your man is stepping out on you. You may not want to admit it (to yourself and others), but in your heart you know.

Ahhhh yes . . . my good friend Cognitive Dissonance. It's been far too long.

sigmadiva 07-06-2009 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1823558)
Ahhhh yes . . . my good friend Cognitive Dissonance. It's been far too long.

You can give it a big fancy word if you want to, but I just call it 'woman's intuition' (?sp). :p;)

Tippiechick 07-06-2009 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1823552)
Is TN a community prop. state?

No. It isn't.

KSig RC 07-07-2009 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 1823560)
You can give it a big fancy word if you want to, but I just call it 'woman's intuition' (?sp). :p;)

You can give it a big fancy old wives' tale if you want to, but I call it lying to yourself.

DaemonSeid 07-07-2009 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1823552)
lmao, what makes you say she had no money? they were married 12 yrs and having 2 kids with him (the other two were from a previous relationship) would get her a grip in Child support. Is TN a community prop. state?

not to mention its not like she wasnt working...she is a nurse I believe.

You know what else is troublesome, is three things:

1. Her last boyfriend...Keith Norfleet and his involvement in this.

2. (altho not surprising) 20 years of age with a DUI

3. Her entire mental state given her age and the men that she dealt with.

Also maybe it's just me, but I find it suspicious that she dated and lived with Norfleet for 4 years prior to this incident (thus my number 3) not to mention that McNair had just celebrated his 12th anniversary with his wife...? Hmmm


Death really does tend to bring out the ugly.

sigmadiva 07-07-2009 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1823677)
You can give it a big fancy old wives' tale if you want to, but I call it lying to yourself.

:confused:

KSig RC 07-07-2009 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 1823791)
:confused:

I was just teasing around with your wording.

Basically, what I'm saying is that it's far easier to say, from our perch as outsiders, that she "had to" (or "should have" or etc.) known about any infidelity. In fact, we're wired that way - it's hard for us to think that we wouldn't know, and we'd desperately want to believe we're different than wives that get cheated on. (This is a very quick-n-dirty description of how the psychological principle of cognitive dissonance applies in situations like this; there's obviously much more going on, and I'm not saying this is specifically what you're doing - just that it happens a lot)

For a guy like McNair, we don't really know the situation - he traveled a lot for his speaking career, and apparently took the mistress on trips, an easy way to 'hide' things. His wife likely didn't handle the finances, so he can 'hide' very incidental expenses like a condo or a car. Besides this, there is a tendency to hang onto the sense that this perfect life (ex-football hero, four lovely sons, healthy, happy, etc.) is still intact in spite of other signs - inertia is a powerful force.

This is a long aside, and hides a key point: if you're wealthy, don't mix with people who might fuck you over. This doesn't just apply to the Pac Man Joneses of the world, although the media prefers those stereotype-supporting stories - it applies to the baseball players who lost millions in the Madoff fraud, Mike Tyson's "handlers" taking his money, and jilted lovers taking these guys for their money, their families or their lives. We should never "blame" the victim - after all, McNair didn't pull the trigger - but with the options that money affords, these individuals can help minimize these kinds of risks much more than the average guy out to nail a 20 year old waitress.

This is clearly easier said than done - the wealthy, famous and successful tend to have entitlement or invinceability issues, among others, that play into these situations. It's tragic.

sigmadiva 07-07-2009 01:55 PM

At the end of the day McNair was a married man who cheated not only his wife, but his children. His wealth and fame probably did make it easier for him to get away with it.

Do I persoanlly know for sure his wife knew of the affair? No. But, being a woman myself who has been in serious relationships, when you put your heart and soul in another person, you really begin to 'feel' that person.

And, another thing that has come out is the fact that McNair had been photographed with his mistress. It was even featured on TMZ!:eek: From what I've read too, McNair spent so much time at that condo that people thought he lived there. So many people saw him out with that woman that I'm having a hard time believeing that his wife did not know.

AOII_LB93 07-07-2009 11:12 PM

This was a good article, very on point.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...-McNair-a-hero

Whether his wife knew or not, he obviously wasn't worried too much about being a dad to his 4 sons.

5Knowledge1913 07-08-2009 04:27 PM

Loving the picture of him and his gf with his big "Omega Man" tattoo showing. He was a real man alright.

KSigkid 07-08-2009 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AOII_LB93 (Post 1824052)
This was a good article, very on point.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...-McNair-a-hero

I'd say more that it's an article with a couple of good points mixed in with a bunch of garbage - pretty much like most of Jason Whitlock's recent work.

He used to put out some good pieces, but lately Whitlock's been a complete joke of a journalist, cementing his place in the Mariotti/Plaschke/Shaughnessy/Lupica group of writers.

WinniBug 07-08-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sigmadiva (Post 1823469)
She may be saying that to put on a brave public face. I have a feeling that she (his wife) probably knew about the affair, because I doubt this woman was his first mistress.

She wasn't.
One of my mom's friends worked with this girl who they had to fire because she was always missing work to go hang out with him. The friend described her as a "very pretty young black woman." They didn't fire her because she was hanging out with him - they fired her because she was always missing work...I didn't want that sentence to be misinterpreted.

I'm very disappointed...I had the impression that he was a good guy

Tippiechick 07-09-2009 01:13 AM

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=10663012

She shot him in his sleep.

KSUViolet06 07-09-2009 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Tippiechick (Post 1824410)

Yikes.

DiamondAthena 07-09-2009 12:02 PM

wtf? "She had suspicions that he was involved with another woman!" His wife maybe? How can you cheat on a mistress? She was quite disturbed. :(


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