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DaemonSeid 05-20-2009 08:57 AM

Arrest ordered for mom of boy, 13, resisting chemo
 
NEW ULM, Minn. – Authorities nationwide are on the lookout Wednesday for a mother and her 13-year-old cancer-stricken son who fled after refusing the chemotherapy that doctors say could save the boy's life.

Colleen Hauser and her son, Daniel, who has Hodgkin's lymphoma, apparently left their southern Minnesota home sometime after a doctor's appointment and court-ordered X-ray on Monday showed his tumor had grown.

Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg, who had ruled last week that Daniel's parents were medically neglecting him, issued an arrest warrant Tuesday for Colleen Hauser and ruled her in contempt of court. Rodenberg also ordered that Daniel be placed in foster care and immediately evaluated by a cancer specialist for treatment.

The boy's father, Anthony Hauser, testified he didn't know where his wife and son were but had made no attempt to find them. He testified he last saw his son Monday morning, and he saw his wife only briefly that evening when she said she was leaving "for a time."

As of Wednesday morning, the mother and son still had not been found, said Carl Rolloff, a sheriff's dispatcher.

Officials distributed the arrest warrant nationwide. Brown County Sheriff Rich Hoffman said Tuesday that investigators were following some leads locally, but declined to elaborate.

"It's absolutely crazy. It's very disappointing," James Olson, the attorney representing Brown County Family Services. "We're trying to do what's right for this young man."

There was no immediate response to a message seeking comment that was left at the Hauser house in Sleepy Eye early Wednesday.

Daniel's Hodgkin's lymphoma is considered highly curable with chemotherapy and radiation, but the boy quit chemo after a single treatment. With his parents, he opted instead for "alternative medicines," citing religious beliefs. That led authorities to seek custody. Rodenberg last week ruled that Daniel's parents were medically neglecting their son.

The judge has said Daniel, who has a learning disability and cannot read, did not understand the risks and benefits of chemotherapy and didn't believe he was ill.

The Hausers are Roman Catholic and also believe in the "do no harm" philosophy of the Nemenhah Band, a Missouri-based religious group that believes in natural healing methods advocated by some American Indians.


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AOII Angel 05-20-2009 09:30 AM

Thank God that this country doesn't allow parents to decide not to treat their children because of their crazy religious beliefs. They can make their own medical decisions but don't let them inflict it on their kids.

DaemonSeid 05-20-2009 09:32 AM

To think of all the people who would want to be in this boy's place...a cancer that can be cured and his mom is acting like this.

RU OX Alum 05-21-2009 02:28 PM

did anyone else hear that during his homeschooling, he was never taught to read

I heard that this morning on some news/talk show and I was just astounded.

AKA_Monet 05-21-2009 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1810586)
Thank God that this country doesn't allow parents to decide not to treat their children because of their crazy religious beliefs. They can make their own medical decisions but don't let them inflict it on their kids.

Seriously, I think this woman suffers from Munchausen Syndrome... She was treating him in late stage Hodgkin's with herbs... Talk about impurities! That's abuse!

ThetaPrincess24 05-21-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1810586)
Thank God that this country doesn't allow parents to decide not to treat their children because of their crazy religious beliefs. They can make their own medical decisions but don't let them inflict it on their kids.

I agree!

ThetaPrincess24 05-21-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1811047)
did anyone else hear that during his homeschooling, he was never taught to read

I heard that this morning on some news/talk show and I was just astounded.

I thought he couldnt read because he has a learning disability that prevents him from doing so?

CutiePie2000 05-22-2009 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AOII Angel (Post 1810586)
Thank God that this country doesn't allow parents to decide not to treat their children because of their crazy religious beliefs. They can make their own medical decisions but don't let them inflict it on their kids.

Word, mamma.

deepimpact2 05-22-2009 09:08 AM

My only concern is that HE doesn't want the treatment either. I mean it is not farfetched to have people decide they don't want to take chemo. Some people tend to feel that because the chemo makes them feel worse, they would just rather forego it. It would be different if the child himself wanted it but the mom was refusing to let him have it. And I don't think that he feels that way just because of his mom's beliefs.

MysticCat 05-22-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1811325)
My only concern is that HE doesn't want the treatment either. I mean it is not farfetched to have people decide they don't want to take chemo. Some people tend to feel that because the chemo makes them feel worse, they would just rather forego it. It would be different if the child himself wanted it but the mom was refusing to let him have it. And I don't think that he feels that way just because of his mom's beliefs.

He's 13. A 13-year-old simply isn't in a position to understand the implications of refusing chemotherapy or of choosing alternative treatments instead.

Kevin 05-22-2009 09:18 AM

Depraved heart murder.

. . . back to Bar prep.

deepimpact2 05-22-2009 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1811328)
He's 13. A 13-year-old simply isn't in a position to understand the implications of refusing chemotherapy or of choosing alternative treatments instead.

I disagree. A thirteen year old child is capable of udnerstanding what may appen if they don't take chemo. Children these days are far more precocious and have a better uderstanding than people might realize. Also, he is old enough to know if he doesn't like how the chemo makes him feel. I think that's my issue. I don't like to see children being forced to do something as serious as chemo if they REALLY don't want to do it. Lots of people try alternative routes because chemo makes them so miserable.
Interesting though how authorities are quick to jump on this, but there are other bad parental situations out there and they refuse to get involved. smh

KSigkid 05-22-2009 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1811328)
He's 13. A 13-year-old simply isn't in a position to understand the implications of refusing chemotherapy or of choosing alternative treatments instead.

Agreed. In general I have an issue with the state imposing medical treatment, but in this situation, with someone this young, I have problems holding that position.

deepimpact2 05-22-2009 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1811343)
Agreed. In general I have an issue with the state imposing medical treatment, but in this situation, with someone this young, I have problems holding that position.

I think that's my issue.

I felt differently about the parents who were withholding care for their child who was in a diabetic coma.

I think that instead of them forcing this child to take treatment, they should really just counsel him (away from his mother) and ascertain what HE really wants and WHY.

KSigkid 05-22-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1811344)
I think that's my issue.

I felt differently about the parents who were withholding care for their child who was in a diabetic coma.

I think that instead of them forcing this child to take treatment, they should really just counsel him (away from his mother) and ascertain what HE really wants and WHY.

I think part of the issue with this story (and with any news story regarding medical issues) is that we're not getting the whole story. It's a fair point, in that you would hope and assume that the doctors have explained everything fully to both the teenager and his parents. Because of medical privacy issues, we'll likely never know the level of advice given by the physicians to the kid and his mother.

I think one of the issues about counseling him away from his mother is that most, if not all, medical offices are going to want to have the parent present when talking about these issues. I would guess that it's difficult for a doctor or medical professional to ask a parent to leave the room when discussing medical treatments with a teenager.

Plus, if she's gone to these lengths to avoid treatment for her child, I'm guessing she would never agree to letting the treatment staff speak with him outside of her presence.

MysticCat 05-22-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1811342)
I disagree. A thirteen year old child is capable of udnerstanding what may appen if they don't take chemo. Children these days are far more precocious and have a better uderstanding than people might realize.

Some can fully understand it, but the majority -- sorry, but no. There's a reason they're not considered adults yet -- they generally aren't capable of fully understanding all the implications and consequences and making adult decisions.

And of course we're talking here about a 13-year-old who has been taught that chemo is bad and unnecessary. Is he old enough to decide that mom and dad are maybe a bit loco, or is he still young enough to be sure that mom and dad must be right because they'd never do anything that would hurt him?

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Also, he is old enough to know if he doesn't like how the chemo makes him feel. I think that's my issue. I don't like to see children being forced to do something as serious as chemo if they REALLY don't want to do it.
So I guess you'd say a 4-year old can decide he doesn't want chemo because he doesn't like how it makes him feel? 'Cause a 4-year-old is old enough to know he doesn't like how the chemo makes him feel and I can pretty much assure you the average 4-year-old isn't going to want to do it.

deepimpact2 05-22-2009 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1811363)
I think part of the issue with this story (and with any news story regarding medical issues) is that we're not getting the whole story. It's a fair point, in that you would hope and assume that the doctors have explained everything fully to both the teenager and his parents. Because of medical privacy issues, we'll likely never know the level of advice given by the physicians to the kid and his mother.

I think one of the issues about counseling him away from his mother is that most, if not all, medical offices are going to want to have the parent present when talking about these issues. I would guess that it's difficult for a doctor or medical professional to ask a parent to leave the room when discussing medical treatments with a teenager.

Plus, if she's gone to these lengths to avoid treatment for her child, I'm guessing she would never agree to letting the treatment staff speak with him outside of her presence.

Good point. She probably wouldn't.

CutiePie2000 05-22-2009 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1811325)
My only concern is that HE doesn't want the treatment either.

He's a child. When you're a child, your parents' values are basically also your values, until you are old enough to decide for yourself.

AGDee 05-22-2009 01:45 PM

I am very uncomfortable with the idea of anybody other than a child's parents making these kinds of decisions. These things require parental consent for a reason. And, if you do it for something like chemo, where does it end? What if they decide that NOT doing something like gastric bypass surgery is neglectful because a child is obese?

This is one of those issues where I can totally see both sides and I'm totally uncomfortable with both ideas.

MysticCat 05-22-2009 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1811418)
I am very uncomfortable with the idea of anybody other than a child's parents making these kinds of decisions. These things require parental consent for a reason.

As a general rule, I'd agree. But that is because, as a general rule, I'd assume that the parents are acting with the child's best interests in mind. But if the parents are doing something that seriously endangers the child's life, then somebody has to step in.

deepimpact2 05-22-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1811418)
I am very uncomfortable with the idea of anybody other than a child's parents making these kinds of decisions. These things require parental consent for a reason. And, if you do it for something like chemo, where does it end? What if they decide that NOT doing something like gastric bypass surgery is neglectful because a child is obese?

This is one of those issues where I can totally see both sides and I'm totally uncomfortable with both ideas.

Yeah.

On a slight tangent I also don't like it when a parent forces a child to donate an organ or marrow to a sibling against the child's will.

KSig RC 05-22-2009 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1811342)
I disagree. A thirteen year old child is capable of udnerstanding what may appen if they don't take chemo. Children these days are far more precocious and have a better uderstanding than people might realize.

This may be true on the whole (or it might be a "get off my lawn" moment in reverse, it's hard to say), but this kid specifically isn't exactly a rocket scientist in waiting.

I'm HUGE on keeping the state out of basically every part of life that it isn't needed, but there is a fundamental duty to protect children against the unreasonable or ill-informed actions of their caretakers. We wouldn't leave a 13 year old child with a mother who beat him or didn't feed him - why? Because he might die.

It's essentially the same as statutory rape laws, etc. - the kid feels old enough to make the decision, and some probably are, but on the whole the state really has a duty to keep CrazyMom from imparting her Crazy onto her child's gravestone.

KSigkid 05-22-2009 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1811462)
This may be true on the whole (or it might be a "get off my lawn" moment in reverse, it's hard to say), but this kid specifically isn't exactly a rocket scientist in waiting.

Would the reverse be "mow my lawn?"

Kevin 05-22-2009 08:26 PM

We don't allow parents to actively harm their children, even in the name of religious worship. There is no doubt in my mind that if instead of refusing to treat this cancer, the parents were savagely beating a healthy boy, the state would step in because such savage beatings could and probably would eventually lead to death -- even if the parents believed that those savage beatings were necessary for salvation.

How is this any different? This mother is, by her inaction, rather than action (what's the difference?) bringing about essentially the same result -- her child will die due to her inaction. This parent has a duty to do everything to protect her child. When she refuses to do her duty, the state needs to step in. This is how a civilized society deals with a failure in the parent-child relationship.

SWTXBelle 05-22-2009 09:17 PM

It is my understanding that with the recommended treatment the 5 yr. survivial rate for this kind of cancer is 95% - without treatment, mortality is 90%.

AGDee 05-23-2009 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1811421)
As a general rule, I'd agree. But that is because, as a general rule, I'd assume that the parents are acting with the child's best interests in mind. But if the parents are doing something that seriously endangers the child's life, then somebody has to step in.

I know, and that's why I see both sides. I worry about where that line is and who defines it. Will someone try to use this case as a precedent from preventing all parents from being able to choose hospice, for example, if the chemo would only lengthen life but not save it? Would it matter if it gave a kid 6 more months vs. 1 year, but the quality of life in those 6 months would better than the quality of life in that year? What about DNR and other "living will" kinds of issues?

This case in and of itself seems very cut and dried to me, as it does to all of you. It just makes me think farther. In many ways, I feel like we're being told more and more by the government how to live our lives. 1984 was way off in the guesstimate of the year, but it does feel like Big Brother is becoming more and more of a reality and my gut instinct is to buck anything that looks like it these days.

KSigkid 05-23-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1811480)
We don't allow parents to actively harm their children, even in the name of religious worship. There is no doubt in my mind that if instead of refusing to treat this cancer, the parents were savagely beating a healthy boy, the state would step in because such savage beatings could and probably would eventually lead to death -- even if the parents believed that those savage beatings were necessary for salvation.

How is this any different? This mother is, by her inaction, rather than action (what's the difference?) bringing about essentially the same result -- her child will die due to her inaction. This parent has a duty to do everything to protect her child. When she refuses to do her duty, the state needs to step in. This is how a civilized society deals with a failure in the parent-child relationship.

Exactly, and that's what makes me think it's fine for the state to step in here. The fact that he's a 13 year old makes it an easier question.

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1811572)
I know, and that's why I see both sides. I worry about where that line is and who defines it. Will someone try to use this case as a precedent from preventing all parents from being able to choose hospice, for example, if the chemo would only lengthen life but not save it? Would it matter if it gave a kid 6 more months vs. 1 year, but the quality of life in those 6 months would better than the quality of life in that year? What about DNR and other "living will" kinds of issues?

This case in and of itself seems very cut and dried to me, as it does to all of you. It just makes me think farther. In many ways, I feel like we're being told more and more by the government how to live our lives. 1984 was way off in the guesstimate of the year, but it does feel like Big Brother is becoming more and more of a reality and my gut instinct is to buck anything that looks like it these days.

I think with living wills and DNRs, if you're under a certain age, the parent has to sign it as well. Additionally you'd be looking at a situation where the medical proxy would probably be the parent anyway.

I could see age as a cut off, i.e. where the person is 18. I think once you get to an age where the person can be on their own (in the eyes of the law), it's a lot harder to convince me that the state should step in.

However, I don't think a case like this necessarily starts the "slippery slope," so to speak; the variety of factors at play here (child's age, mental capacity, etc.) make it a rather unique situation, if you're worried about the "Big Brother" effect.


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