Indiana University Recruitment
 

I think Indiana University needs a fresh new thread for Sorority Recruitment. A lot has changed since the old forums were posted and does anyone really have time to read 10+ years worth of old information?

If anyone has ANY questions about Recruitment or anything about IU's Greek System. PNMs, Alum, or if you just want to know how it works at in Bloomington.
You're all welcome to post and I'll do my best to answer.

I was going to say something about that, but I think she meant that it needed a fresh, new thread.

When I read her post, I was curious as to what made her the IU Greek Life specialist. As far as I know, she's an active member so I don't think she's necessarily privvy to all the information & details on what goes on at IU Greek Life unless she's president of Panhellenic & her chapter.

I hope so, because I just can't believe anyone would be the kind of self-important deludanoid that thinks a school should get its own FORUM.

I am pretty sure by "forum" you mean "thread". If the SEC doesn't have its own forum, there's NWIH IU will have its own forum. That's what descriptive thread titles are for.

We've had quite a few PNMs go through recruitment (and write reruitment threads) at Indiana since I've joined (Aug 2006) and there are usually discussions of campus culture/questions answered in each thread. In addition, it is usually pointed out when people talk about total and quota that Indiana is the exception to most large schools in that each chapter sets their own quota.

Well that was unnecessarily brutal. But yes knight_shadow, I meant a fresh thread not forum :)

46% of the women who went through 19 party received a bid this year. The point of this thread is to give accurate information on a system that is vastly different from sorority recruitments around the country.

Again with the unnecessary brutality...

As I said above: 46% of women who begin at 19 party will get a house. So yes, as you so cleverly noted, that does include women to drop out because they decide it isn't for them, women who drop out because they didn't get the houses they wanted back, and women who don't make grades (2.5 GPA- which is a very low standard to begin with), and also those who are released from the 19 chapters. This affiliation rate was presented at the IU Panhellenic Association this past semester. And you can check the minutes it you don't believe it KSU.

At the meeting, it was presented that while a decent number of these women are drops, but the majority are in fact dropped by the houses.

1600 girls began rush this year for spots in 19 houses that all operate on a bed quota system. All chapters on campus made full quota this year except one. And aside from that one house, everyone will be at full capacity- many have live-out policies so they can take as many girls as possible.
Since not every house is the same size, every chapter takes a different amount of girls. For some chapters, "full capacity" meant that they took 30 girls for their new pledge class. For others, "full capacity" was nearly 60 new women.

Please don't call into question my integrity by calling into question the accuracy of my statements and statistics.

I just wanted to give up to date information on recruitment. That was something I didn't find on this site when I went through recruitment. So I thought it was needed.

No one was questioning your integrity. I think we now understand why this thread was created. Let's keep it moving so things will remain civil.

I'd love to hear an explanation as to why IU sticks with a "bed quota" when there seems to be far more PNMs who want to go Greek than there are bids? Can someone please shed some light?

because that is the way that it has always been done?

I think because housing is a big part of the Greek experience there and to not live in is kind of like not getting the full experience.

We had a chapter there and either didn't have a house or had a very small house. The chapter was only there like 5 years. So I've come to a conclusion that unhoused Greek life is not something students at IU want. If a group ever comes around that does sell itself as "be Greek without having to live in a house" my bet is that they won't rush with the other NPCs and will be looked at as second class citizens. And who wants that?

My friend at IU just sent me this. I thought it was interesting.

http://www.idsnews.com/news/story.aspx?id=68062

Both of the changes are very artificial.
Doing an all-January rush eliminates the women who don't make grades or don't want to give up the last week of winter break for rush. Thus the affiliation rate will increase.
But on the downside- a lot of quality women decide to go though 19 party just to see how they like the system, and then decide from there where to go. By changing the date of 19 party to the end of winterbreak, you lose those women who would have rushed had they been able to attend 19 party. This was voted down- the dates are still the same.

The second change is the party numbers. It used to be 19-12-6-3... now it's 19-14-8-3. The idea is that by not having to cut so many houses off your list so soon, you get more of an opportunity to see where you might fit in the best. It also allows chapters to get a more thorough view of the PNMs.

Bed quota system is still in place- aka nothing is really changing.

The problem is that there is one very big house on campus that is half empty. I hasn't made quota in a very long time even with year-long c.o.b.ing.

Plus houses are so expensive to build that the costs for an NPC organization to come onto our campus is too much. There are 26 Panhellenic Sororities, 19 are represented at IU. And to my knowledge only one other house that at one time had a chapter on campus but does not now was Sigma Kappa. Meaning there is literally no alumni base to build a new colony or chapter on.

No one wants to be Greek but not live in a house, and the University is already stretched tight for housing so they can't house them in dorms or anything.

I've been a lurker on these threads for awhile, but I just have to put my two cents into the whole IU situation. I'm at Purdue right now, and I have to say that our rush at the beginning of fall semester was a total breeze compared to what the girls go through at IU. I have a ton of high school friends that went through this past January, and most made it past cuts (one dropped out) and it just sounded absoultely brutal. My sister is going through next year and I'm worried about her. It sounds like IU isn't really changing much, just adding more stress! One of my friends got 10 houses back for 12 party and it was such a tiring day for her. Can you imagine going to 14? I just don't see how this is changing much. One thing I will say is that living in is a huge part of IU greek like. KSUViolet, I am not certain of specific policies (IUGreekgirl would probably be better suited) but I have friends and acquaintances from high school scattered in about 8 or 9 sororities at IU and generally everyone lives in all 4 years. I believe some may have liveout policies for senior year, but living in is a BIG part of greek life at IU (IUGreekgirl, correct me if I'm wrong on this!). I'm just so glad someone brought this up. Hearing about rush at IU always leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I feel like I had it so much easier then my friends and sisters down in Bloomington.

PS. IUGreekgirl, I know what chapter you are talking about and it completely boggles my mind! I haven't met anyone from that house, but I'm sure they're great girls! They have a strong national repuation and a nice new house. I really hope they find their footing. It's such a shame--it seems like there's so much gossip surrounding greek life at IU. Chapters can really be ruined by all the tent talk! Whenever I go to visit, I'm always amazed at how all the houses seem to have their own stereotypes following them around, true or not. Hopefully there will be some improvement with IU rush in the future. The campus is gorgeous and all of the sorority houses are SO beautiful. It's a shame so many girls are cut!

another thought: I don't think there is anything in place at IU to stop cross-cutting from happening. It seems like that's what might have happened to one of those girls in the IDS story.

Is that really true? All over the country, colonies are routinely supported by actives and alum who are from other chapters or reside in other parts of the state. I wonder why it would be different for IU.

Everyone has different live out policies.

And the empty house really is sad. I remember going through rush and looking at how their composite pictures shrunk and shrunk every year. They're very nice girls, and it's sad that they're stereotyped based on superficialities. However things are looking up for this house- several girls have joined this year to help raise the house closer toward the organization's amazing national reputation. And there is a lot a buzz going around campus about "all the hot girls who joined ***" While that in itself is superficial, eventually they'll get back to the top. It's a step though!

This is what I was going to say. Alumnae don't have to come from that chapter in order to be supportive. If they did, we would never have new greek systems or new colonies. It happens all the time, in fact!

Exactly! And Indiana is a state with other schools that have strong Greek systems (Purdue and DePauw come to mind...) as well as the headquarters of several sororities.

You might find this thread by irishpipes interesting:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ad.php?t=97907

It is a much-referenced comprehesive list of all NPC sororities and their tenures at US and Canadian campuses. According to it, Indiana has actually had all but one of the 26 NPC sororities present at some time. I think AST is the only house that has never been there. You are right that SK did have a longtime chapter there (1918-1994), but Theta Phi Alpha was there from 1920-1959, as well as shorter stints by D Phi E, Tri Sigma and ASA.

Ditto this and the other GCers who agreed. Obviously, if you have had a chapter in the area there will tend to be more alums available, but it is amazing how many alums come "out of the woodwork" when an expansion is proposed!! I just attended the expansion presentations for 3 houses at Kansas State, and only one had had a K State chapter and that was back in the 1930's. It was great to see LOTS of alums living in the area but initiated at different campuses come out to show their support and offer to be advisors and volunteer in other ways.

What's wrong with women going through and not wanting to join? If they want to spend their $ that way, that's their prerogative. The article made it sound like this was some horrendous crime.

And yes, if we had a colony there, we would have TONS of alums in the area to support it.

If there is one group far under total, either they need to say screw it and get a new (smaller) house, or a group of women need to pledge it as a group and turn it around. The girls in the house are probably too fried to try anymore.

I was at IU in the early-mid 90s. When I was a freshman, there were four sororities that were housed in a dorm (although the dorm consisted of several small buildings so each sorority had its own building). By my junior year, two of the sororities had built houses (Alpha Xi Delta and Alpha Delta Pi) and those sororities are still on campus today. The other two did not have houses and closed at the end of that year. I remember hearing that at least one of them had been wanting to build a house but they were not able to get any land near the University in order to do so. It really did put them at a huge disadvantage - the thought of living in a dorm (especially one of the furthest from any campus buildings) when all the other sororities on campus have these huge gorgeous houses was a turnoff to a lot of rushees. (I will admit I was one of them. Then again, I was turned off by the idea of sleeping in a cold dorm too.)

I would love to see more sororities at IU. I don't think that having alumnae support is going to be an issue. (All three of the sororities that closed in 1994 have multiple alumnae chapters in the state and two of the three have multiple college chapters in Indiana already) Unfortunately, I don't think that a new sorority would have the best chance to succeed if it wouldn't be able to have a house.

Interestingly enough, this does not seem to be a problem for fraternities at IU - there are several unhoused fraternity chapters.

I think the "bed quota" system lives on because living in is a huge deal at IU. And managing who does and who does not live in when the chapters get really huge in membership size brings on a lot of drama. Number of total beds per house does vary quite a bit and many long standing chapters are locked in to their current lot size by university ownership of adjacent property so they can't get bigger in house size or parking lot size. If newer houses are built with many more beds in the future, that may be the catalyst for abandoning the bed quota system to equalize chapter sizes through a regular NPC quota selection process.

Since I'm an IU student, I guess I could put my $0.02 into the picture. I'm also a newbie (ie finished recruitment this year), thus, I don't really want to step on any toes.

Basically, after being on campus for two years, living in is a HUGE deal at IU. A lot of the chapters do require sisters to live in for all four years, and even if you have a house that houses 80+ girls, you can only bring in the number of seniors you are losing. Also, there's really no land for new Greek housing at IU (minus a pretty tiny field next to Delts, and the field where the old SAE house used to be, but SAE owns that land. Sad, because a perfectly good house could be built there, but SAE and their <40 members still owns the land). Sigma Kappa used to have the Pi Kapps house, I think, but they closed almost 10 years ago.

In terms of recruitment, it's cutthroat, and if you don't go through as a freshman, things are pretty grim. I personally know sophomores that got into houses, but the vast majority of them were transfers or knew many members of a specific house.

Also, those of you that know anything about greek life at IU will recognize my chapter and put the pieces together. I really appreciate the things that are being said, and if anyone has any questions about the current state of the chapter, feel free to get in touch with me. If anything, our chapter is really a testament to what sisterhood is all about, and how gossip can truly hurt a chapter.

IUHoosiergirl88 You have an awesome pledge class and a wonderful national organization behind you. Every chapter has ups and downs... and right now you guys are in a slump- but no one can say that you aren't on the way out of it.

Dear IUHoosierGirl88:

I applaud you for joining Alpha Delta Pi at Indiana University. I joined the house back in '89 when it was housed in the dorms. Was it my first choice? Not by a long shot (because they didn't have a HOUSE back in the day!). However, as I went through rush (and admittedly got cut by house after house, ha, at that time the only houses that I knew I WOULD never join were AOPi [at the time, anyway, I've heard they have started a new chapter and have a different rep now] and Sigma Kappa so I got to cut them, the rest I was cut from eventually down the line) I noticed that I thoroughly enjoyed my rush experience with ADPi. Fun fun girls. So I decided to join. Yes, we were housed in a dorm. Yes, we had biases against us. But yes we had such a blast with super-cool chicks and awesome fun frat pairs, and I haven't regretted it for a moment ever. To hear that now that we finally got a house and it's in peril, whereas other houses that were on par with us back in the day (Alpha Xi Delta and Alpha Omicron Pi) are thriving apparently is so upsetting to me (not that it's upsetting that those other chapters are thriving, good on them, but I just wonder why it's only ADPi that's bringing up the rear). We have all worked too hard to get a house in the first place to have this house go to naught, and I'm so glad that people like you are standing up for ADPi at IU. Way to go and keep it up!!! :-)

QFP

I can't even begin to imagine the resentment a 50% bid rate causes among thoes who are cut. A campus full of greek haters.

You pledged ADPi 20 years ago? Crikey... :rolleyes:

Oh trust me, you can't even begin to imagine...

You're absolutely right. My non-Greek friends at Purdue have no problem with my being in a sorority. I've never heard a peep out of them as far as negative comments go. IU is a different story. I've heard all kinds of negative comments there towards Greek Life, and I can only assume it's because they are bitter. If I was in their situation, I suppose I would be too! As I said before, my sister is going through rush at IU and though I'm nervous for her, I'm even more scared for my friend who is transferring in as a sophomore. She knows a few people in sororities, and is coming in with recommendations, but from what I've heard, the news is just not good for sophomores @ IU. IUgreekgirl, is this true? Any advice?

This thread talks about recruitment as a soph at IU:

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...t=IU+sophomore

IU recruitment is tough for sophomores, with some heavy cuts early on. I have heard of sophomores getting bids, but it's not the norm I don't think.