Russian scholar says US will collapse - next year
 

By MIKE ECKEL
MOSCOW - If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.

Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.

"There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy - a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.

The prediction from Panarin, a former spokesman for Russia's Federal Space Agency and reportedly an ex-KGB analyst, meshes with the negative view of the U.S. that has been flowing from the Kremlin in recent years, in particular from Vladimir Putin.

Putin, the former president who is now prime minister, has likened the United States to Nazi Germany's Third Reich and blames Washington for the global financial crisis that has pounded the Russian economy.

Panarin didn't give many specifics on what underlies his analysis, mostly citing newspapers, magazines and other open sources.

He also noted he had been predicting the demise of the world's wealthiest country for more than a decade now.

But he said the recent economic turmoil in the U.S. and other "social and cultural phenomena" led him to nail down a specific timeframe for "The End" - when the United States will break up into six autonomous regions and Alaska will revert to Russian control.

Panarin argued that Americans are in moral decline, saying their great psychological stress is evident from school shootings, the size of the prison population and the number of gay men.

Turning to economic woes, he cited the slide in major stock indexes, the decline in U.S. gross domestic product and Washington's bailout of banking giant Citigroup as evidence that American dominance of global markets has collapsed.



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The sky is falling

The sky is falling

Run out into the streets and repeat.

So, how will these regions be divided anyway? Are they going to use the large NCAA regions? If so I need to make sure that I live in a region I really like then... :p Hmm, do I make the move back to the Big Ten region or stay in the SEC? (Can you tell March Madness is on the mind?)

This is about 3-4 months old I think.

This guy's been saying this stuff for years, but I believe this article is about remarks he made at a very recent lecture. He's a propogandist. But we shouldn't laugh too much, because this is the guy Russia wants its citizens to listen to. I'm disturbed at the direction Russia is moving in.

Its propaganda. Even if we "fell apart", our military would flatten Russia and China in a matter of months.

You think so?


RUSSIA AND CHINA vs the US??


Russia AND China vs the US is a fight we can't afford to be in right now...I think there would be too many other smaller countries eager to join in...against us.

I'm ready for Texas to secede. We've been independent before - what the heck. :rolleyes:

As long as you're taking Amarillo, you might as well take Oklahoma with you.

Anarchy, Anarchy, Anarchy

Who got my heady Anarchy t-shirt?

No, they are NOT allowed to do so.

Im right there with you! I actually think thats one of the six they predicted.

I wish they would...

US ain't falling without a "few" who have something to say about it... Chiefly:

Miss San Andreas... She has plenty reason to put California into the water...

Mr. Supervolcano at Old Faithful... Google it...

The natural gas pockets through out the midwest... Goes along with the Texas Twister, etc.

Severe Noreasters in the Northeast...

Besides, it would NOT be the best's interests of the WORLD to take down the US at this time. Why? Economies would be sent back into the Stone Age. Why do it? The US has assets, like satellites that could be sold before going under, which are aged at this time, now. While, China is working on getting a robot to the moon now, some ~40 years after we put a few men on the moon? Yeah... Whatever... Russia ain't made it to the moon, so I don't give a crippa crap what they have to say.

Also, these countries make money of the backs of slaves. So they really need to shut the EFF up... Russia sold most of their nukes for drugs to the Iranians... And China has 2-3 ICBM's they are giving to N. Korea where the Dongger likes Vivid Entertainment's bootlegged porn... And, China needs to work on their melamine problems and Earthquake safety programs, right now... So, uh, no...

What I find ironic is this theory that the "world is going to HELL" ever since a Black man became POTUS... They would think that now and use terror tactics to incite misinformation.

If any secession was to happen, we know that Alaska would be the first to go....heh!

I can see Russia from my house!!! :D

I am sure you can...heh!!!

The Republic of the Big East

We would absolutely destroy them, nobody's military except Israel's can compare to ours in combat experience and technology (we invented the F-22 over 20 years ago). When you factor in the sheer size of our military, it would be a very lopsided victory.

While I agree with you on our experience and technology, we can also do it much cheaper with subversive weapons than conventional or nuclear weapons... While it blurs the human rights and moral lines, which I am unsure President Obama wants to do, we can used these subversive tactics to cripple this kind of threat. Why would we really do that, though? If anything, how'd we make money off of a tactical response to Russia or China? That would be silly, overall.

Hayle playing American Idol and The Bachelor over and over again is torture enough, IMO... And none of these countries have no where NEAR the kind of satellites we have, that is just a discussion with Ted Turner and a few others...

Take a few of their satellites of the 3-4 channels they do have, what are they really watching... Some of these leaders LOVE SATC, you know... :rolleyes:

You really think that even tho we are already stretched pretty thin where we are now, that a fight between China and Russia vs the US is something we could easily win?

When China is using Israeli technology (some of which was given to Israel from us and as of at least 10 years ago Israel was selling to China) and Russia probably having the determination to win, it's not a fight we can easily think we would win just by size alone.

No matter how much we hear about arms embargoes or pacts to keep the Chinese static, they have the wherewithal to duplicate whatever is needed to be a contender in a fight and anytime these folks can duplicate a factory down to the nuts and bolts and produce anything should make you seriously consider if we can afford to go to war with BOTH of them simultaneously.

You also need to consider that the 2 countries have had their top minds get together in order to strategically plan such an operation should it occur. Not to mention think of it if...IIIIFFF Iran or Korea decided to get in on their side...then what?

Lastly what kind of support from the US do you think we would put behind going to war...again?


That is too fine of a tightrope to simply say our sheer size would win.

And what kind of excuse would the Obama administration have to come up with to have this war so soon after Iraq?

WMDs? Food Poisoning? Democracy in China? There is no way the President can lie his way thru this one and get enough US support to fight another front so soon after shutting down another.


Heck the global economy probably couldn't afford another war right now.

Russia learned that lesson fighting in Afghanistan...determination and will is what wins.

ETA: Funny that you mentioned the F 22, because I just remembered soemthing I heard in the news yesterday about the production of the plances and its effects on the economy:


Damned if he does and damned if he doesn't

If I stretch my brain enough, I can maybe kinda sorta understand how psychological stress can be caused by school shootings and a large prison population. But gay men?
What about the gay women?

Oh no! Honey! A gay man! Quick- where is my xanax and smelling salt! I just may pass out from all the psychological stress!

I think he's saying that psychological stress is a cause for school shootings, a large prison population and gay men, not that gay men cause psychological stress.

Whatever -

I wonder what he thinks of the rampant moral decline of Russia? Prostitution, drug use, theivery, etc...

Oh, and what about the massive human rights abuses in China?? I guess they're excused??


If we're going down, everyone's going down with us!

and don't forget the bootlegging....

PhiGam, I agree with you partially. Though the F-22 is an outstanding fighter plane, Russia still has effectively perfected thrust vectoring technology. They're also able to build their aircraft at a cheaper cost. The Mig 29 Fulcrum cost a lot less to maintain than our F-18Es, but at the same time is just as effective in air to air combat. You also have to take in account that Russia also has very effective long range bomber technology as well. If we did win, that would probably be because China and Russia would have a hard time feeding their soldiers. The same problem that the Germans had during WWII. Germany had far superior technology than the Allies but yet they still lost the war. Where do you think the B2 bomber's shape came from?

Speaking of the F-22, I was disappointed that the F-14 was retired. I understand the F-18 is cheaper, but the F-14 is much more effective against multiple long range targets. A lot of countries now have the same technology we have when it comes to military technology. Sukhoi's Flanker can do things that a lot of our aircraft are not able to do, as far as we know. But then again, our government isn't going to tell us everything.

I think we would eventually win, but not in a matter of months.

He's been predicting the same thing for a decade...so it was far before President Obama even started running for office. There were people who said the same thing when Bush was in office, when Clinton was in office, etc.

Pittsburgh as the capital? :D

Eh, I would say Connecticut would be the capital this year :)

Of course, that all could change on Saturday...

...and the whole quackery part is that he has no written proof or theory that backs up anything that he says.

Pssst...the sky is falling!

I'm pretty sure I already told you - no.

As long as Blair doesn't snap Thabeet like a toothpick, I like UConn's chances. Of course, it would help if Blair would get into foul trouble in the first half...

Thats what I'm saying... I don't think that the F-22 is anywhere near our best plane anymore. I have a feeling that a lot of those "UFO" sightings are really US aircraft just like the U-2 spy plane was responsible for a lot of the reported sightings in the 1950s.

For anyone interested, here's a breakout of global military strength: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...f_armed_forces
Suffice to say that a battle between US vs China AND Russia would not be good. Troop levels really wouldn't matter much, because it would be an air and sea battle. We are helped by the fact that apparently China and Russia don't have aircraft carriers, and we have more nuclear subs, but unfortunately Russia still has way more nukes than we do. I would expect that we would quickly bomb the Chinese factories to smitherines, and that the war would soon turn into one between just Russia and the good ole USA, save for some Chinese subs.

I agree... The leadership in China and Russia cannot be THAT stupid to think a first strike is an effective move militarily... I could believe that with a rogue, terror country, like the folks that make Yellow Cakes, but for China and Russia? Why fight with the US? We don't have the land like they do. And they are unable to exploit their materials effectively like we did after WWII. So, oh well. And Russia will fall in the same trap that Hitler did in WWII when he tried to take that part of Eastern Europe with the oil... I think that is Ukraine? (IDK?). And China is decimating countries in Africa right now from Nigeria to the blood diamonds in the Congo to Angola. They have got that problem now and will face what happened in Uganda with Idi Amin when he kicked out all the Indians--a cautionary tale... So, there is more to this than procurement of major natural resources...

ETA: I really think many "sovereign" countries are closely watching the US. They want to see our energy designs because we do have a track record for advancement. Most of our record is positive. I do think Mr. T. Boone Pickens has a decent opportunity and green design/living is a viable option for homes. And while our transportation mechanisms will be shaky for awhile, I think something will happen, not sure if it is a new development, an advancement in science, etc., that will come out and be used for a millennium, soon... Mother necessity where would we be...

Maybe dude wants something he wishes for? IDK? :confused: