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33girl 03-06-2001 08:38 PM

Question for NPHC members
 
I was just curious about this.

I am an alumna of Backwater Redneck U. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/wink.gif and the BGLO's on our campus were all part of a "citywide" chapter, as were several other small schools in the area. At one point, Delta Sigma Theta joined the college NPC. What I wondered is, do the members at each school make the decision whether or not to become part of a governing body individually or does the whole "citywide" chapter decide to do the same thing on their respective campuses? This is operating on the assumption that there is no college NPHC.

I hope that made sense!

12dn94dst 03-06-2001 10:20 PM

33girl, I'm working on getting an accurate & official response for you.

Kelli

AKA_Monet 03-06-2001 11:25 PM

The NPHC bylaw state that if there are more than 2 NPHC affiliate organiations on a campus, there must be an NPHC chapter.

If I understand your question properly, a city wide chapter would have to form an NPHC chapter if members from 2 different NPHC affiliates were present on that particular campus.

Most large universities are requesting that all on campus GLO's are associated with a National umbrella organization for liability issues. I guess for some kind of "general" standards that can be enforced, such as alcohol, Rush and party issues... But I could be incorrect.

12dn94dst 03-09-2001 07:52 PM

33girl, here's the answer I received. AKA_Monet was rather accurate with her response as well.

Kelli

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All undergraduate chapters and graduate chapters MUST belong to the appropriate local council of NPHC and show evidence yearly to their international office that they are in good standing with their collegiate or graduate council. If there is no council, and two or more NPHC organization chapters exist at that location, then those chapters MUST form a council. The international member affiliate organizations will notify their respective chapters of this official mandate through official publications including their respective official publication organs.

If two or more affiliate chapters are not present on a campus, the university usually places that chapter under the local NPC National Panhellenic Conference) or IFC (Interfraternity Conference) council umbrella, respectively. There is nothing in the NPHC Constitution and Bylaws that addresses this issue. As far as membership in NPC or IFC on a National level, there are affiliate organizations of NPHC who also hold membership in the NIC. To my knowledge, no affiliate sorority of NPHC holds membership in NPC.

At this time, NPHC, Inc. does not support a type of council known as a "city-wide" council. This is a concept, however, that we are looking into. There are several issues of concern, including liability, that must be looked at and addressed in order to establish such a council type. If there are at least two city-wide chapters of NPHC affiliates on a given campus, then a council may be formed. The city-wide chapters must be accepted by the college/university as organizations on that respective campus.

I hope I addressed your questions.

Virginia LeBlanc
Executive Director
National Pan-Hellenic Council, Inc.

[This message has been edited by 12dn94dst (edited March 09, 2001).]

33girl 03-09-2001 08:16 PM

12dn94dst and AKA_Monet -

Thanks so much for your replies!! I really appreciate it. http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/biggrin.gif

Senusret I 05-26-2007 06:54 AM

I'll bump this since it's related.

Are there any penalties if the more than two organizations in question do NOT form an NPHC?

For example, what if there is a cultural greek council that the organizations have historically been part of that's been getting along just fine, thank you very much?

KSUViolet06 05-26-2007 01:08 PM

I didn't know that 2 or more NPHC groups had to form a council.

My school has 8 of the 9 organizations but no official NPHC. There's a Latino co-ed group on campus (Alpha Psi Lambda) so they have Black & Latino Greek Council together (the 8 NPHCs & 1 Latino group).

I know that a few of the NPHCs have tried to form the NPHC, but (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) I don't believe NPHC councils can have associate members like Panhellenic can.

12dn94dst 05-26-2007 01:08 PM

That's a good question. I think that would depend on someone monitoring the establishment, and closure, at each school or the number of chapters being reported to NPHC HQ by the school.

12dn94dst 05-26-2007 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1455452)
I didn't know that 2 or more NPHC groups had to form a council.

That's part of the problem too. There are a LOT of folks who don't understand the relationship between the NPHC and the member organizations, so the don't know what do to really.

ladygreek 05-26-2007 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12dn94dst (Post 1455453)
That's a good question. I think that would depend on someone monitoring the establishment, and closure, at each school or the number of chapters being reported to NPHC HQ by the school.

And what kind of penalty could the NPHC enact anyway?

AKA_Monet 05-26-2007 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1455360)
I'll bump this since it's related.

Are there any penalties if the more than two organizations in question do NOT form an NPHC?

For example, what if there is a cultural greek council that the organizations have historically been part of that's been getting along just fine, thank you very much?

My understanding is a minimum of 2 NPHC affliates must form an NPHC council according to the rules and bylaws governed my the president's council for the National.

It is my understanding that if these 2+ affliliates joined or formed another auxiliary, then they violate the National's bylaws because each affilate pays dues to the council. And if anything were to occur with that respective chapter, following the general bylaws of the NPHC and the opportunities afforded by NPHC will be missed.

AKA_Monet 05-26-2007 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1455452)
I don't believe NPHC councils can have associate members like Panhellenic can.

No. There are no associate members because the NPHC national does not cover the liability.

L.O.C.K. 05-27-2007 03:48 AM

School Rules/Law ALWAYS trumps individual organizations or councils. It's part of them allowing us on their campus.

I've argued about this topic SOOOOOO much over the past three years at my campus.

Realistically it doesn't make sense if you have VERY small chapters of NPHC organizations to split off and form NPHC if it can't program effectively (ie the members are stretched too thin).

We have an MGC est here in 2003. In 2005 NPHC split off. But, both councils hit bottom and have both been very unorganized (b/c there is no one to run the councils after running their own orgs). Thus, both have agreed to reform into one MGC again.

Also...lemme see if I can find that piece from the NPHC Handbook...

ok here it goes:

"The establishment of councils assists in maintaining a distinct identity as "service based organizations," as opposed to organizations that may be strictly social in nature; NPHC, Inc. does not (emphasis in original document) advocate a disassociation from NIC, NPC, or NALFO organizations on college campuses."

We've debated this issues a LOT and it gets very heated at times.

I think the most important thing is can chapters with 3 people who all have jobs, internships, school, other orgs, etc. run their chapter AND an NPHC while maintaining good grades? It's highly unlikely especially when you only have 3 or 4 organizations of this size.

While the NPHC is obviously a great organization, it just doesn't make sense on some campuses where the numbers are just too small (regardless of the amount of NPHC organization..I'm talking total number of people in D9 orgs). Cultural Greek Councils, I feel, allow for more "man-power" in situations where you have many orgs who don't have the size to run their own NALFO, NPHC, or NAPA or NMGC...this can strengthen all organizations within it while at the same time providing a force that can compete (visibility-wise) with NPC, NIC organizations.

Visibility is incredibily important, esp. if you want to throw events for philanthropic causes. If no one knows about you or your event, they ain't gonna go. An MGC (or similar council) that has the funding and structure to support member organizations is a huge advantage, just like an NPHC would be a huge advantage as well.

I'm sure there are a bunch of D9 people who are going to disagree w/ me on this topic so let the discussion begin. ;)

L.O.C.K. 05-27-2007 03:52 AM

NPHC's can and do have Associates (I *think* they are called this)...LTA at UMCP is part of the NPHC even though there is a UGC.

Not sure if I am mistaking AKA_Monet though. Affiliate, Associate, etc...all those A words confuse me!! :D

jubilance1922 05-27-2007 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K. (Post 1455745)
NPHC's can and do have Associates (I *think* they are called this)...LTA at UMCP is part of the NPHC even though there is a UGC.

Not sure if I am mistaking AKA_Monet though. Affiliate, Associate, etc...all those A words confuse me!! :D

I believe that NPHC constitution and by-laws state that there are to be no affiliates on local councils. Now I'm sure that it happens, and I don't know what the national NPHC could do in that type of situation.

<----personally doesn't believe that non-NPHC orgs should sit on an NPHC council.

ladygreek 05-27-2007 12:46 PM

What I find interesting about all of this is that it only applies to collegiate chapters. Alumnae chapters in an area are not required to form NPHC councils.

And while I understand that the ruling came from the NPHC Council of Presidents, it would still be up to the individual orgs to monitor it and who has time for that? We all have bigger fish to fry.

AKA_Monet 05-30-2007 02:59 AM

I agree with you L.O.C.K. There should be nothing wrong with interacting with whatever groups NPHC affiliates chooses to.

However, the issue is at most P.W.I.'s with all D9 organizations, interested young people have issues with joining the D9 as we have discussed ad nauseum on GC.

Let's put it like this: I know for a fact, the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Alpha and Mu Pi chapters at Howard U. and Spelman College, respectively, have 300-500 girls showing up at their Rushes with full application materials. I know at Spelman there is a 30 girl per semester cap. That means, young ladies with less than desirable GPA's or other requirements will not be invited toward membership into my Sorority. These colleges can take the cream of the crop.

This kind of activity rarely if happens on PWI's. So, the low numbers is a huge issue at least in my Sorority...

ladygreek 05-30-2007 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1457453)
I agree with you L.O.C.K. There should be nothing wrong with interacting with whatever groups NPHC affiliates chooses to.

However, the issue is at most P.W.I.'s with all D9 organizations, interested young people have issues with joining the D9 as we have discussed ad nauseum on GC.

Let's put it like this: I know for a fact, the Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Alpha and Mu Pi chapters at Howard U. and Spelman College, respectively, have 300-500 girls showing up at their Rushes with full application materials. I know at Spelman there is a 30 girl per semester cap. That means, young ladies with less than desirable GPA's or other requirements will not be invited toward membership into my Sorority. These colleges can take the cream of the crop.

This kind of activity rarely if happens on PWI's. So, the low numbers is a huge issue at least in my Sorority...

Spelman's cap is 30??? whoa nellie!!!! That explains a lot. Does HU have a cap now? At one point I know it was 50, then it was lifted, then it was reinstated, and now I don't know the status.

L.O.C.K. 05-30-2007 04:56 PM

What I heard was that there is a cap but for some reason the recharter line of 137 didn't have to follow it. Not sure tho...just heard it through the grapevine.

ladygreek 05-30-2007 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K. (Post 1457761)
What I heard was that there is a cap but for some reason the recharter line of 137 didn't have to follow it. Not sure tho...just heard it through the grapevine.

Reactivation lines are generally allowed to lift the cap since there are so many prospects that have been waiting.

DSTCHAOS 05-30-2007 05:58 PM

Line caps are a splendaforous idea. :)

BlueNYC2 05-30-2007 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1457461)
Spelman's cap is 30??? whoa nellie!!!! That explains a lot. Does HU have a cap now? At one point I know it was 50, then it was lifted, then it was reinstated, and now I don't know the status.

i dont think so...cuz the AKAs Alpha chapter SP07 line had 92 that crossed...

L.O.C.K. 05-31-2007 12:54 AM

Ooo yea that's right. That's where I heard about it and the cap issue. Interesting...

ladygreek 05-31-2007 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K. (Post 1458063)
Ooo yea that's right. That's where I heard about it and the cap issue. Interesting...

And for further clarification, the caps are imposed by the schools, not the org, and definitely not the chapter.

AKA_Monet 05-31-2007 02:56 AM

I don't know the cap on HU's campus. I do know Spelman College imposed a cap but the current number has fluctuated from 30-60 from one year to another. I do know they only like Spring intakes.

The bigger problem is one of "legacy apps"... But that's an off-line convo... ;)

My point is at most HBCU's and well known chapters: Alpha, Pi, and Mu Pi (my former chapter) chapters are going to have a problem with who they can take in vs. who they voted on come 2008... :rolleyes: It just has to do with having that '08 on the line jacket...

Trolls strolling outta the woodworks. :eek: My grad chapter is already having crazy women wondering about us.

These trolls ought to be selling 10 tables with ads for our Founder's Day events... But, I am not interested in having my pearls snatched.

Sugar08 05-31-2007 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1458108)
I don't know the cap on HU's campus. I do know Spelman College imposed a cap but the current number has fluctuated from 30-60 from one year to another. I do know they only like Spring intakes.

There is no cap at Howard. The administration leaves it to the discretion of the organization's regional director.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1458108)
My point is at most HBCU's and well known chapters: Alpha, Pi, and Mu Pi (my former chapter) chapters are going to have a problem with who they can take in vs. who they voted on come 2008... :rolleyes: It just has to do with having that '08 on the line jacket...

Very, very good point, Soror.

Senusret I 05-31-2007 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1458166)
There is no cap at Howard. The administration leaves it to the discretion of the organization's regional director.

Sugar.... it sounds like you're a Howard grad. Quick question for you -- any insight as to why NPHC orgs can't have fall lines there, but other Greek-lettered orgs can?

Sugar08 05-31-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1458368)
Sugar.... it sounds like you're a Howard grad. Quick question for you -- any insight as to why NPHC orgs can't have fall lines there, but other Greek-lettered orgs can?

I'll have to put my journalism degree to work to find out the exact answer...

But off the top, I'd suspect it's simply tradition supported by current University policy. I know that all intake processes (I believe this applies to both the NPHC and orgs like Delta Sigma Pi/Pershing Rifles) must be completed by Spring Break each year. I've never heard of a Fall line of any D9 org at Howard, and I'm guessing that is tied to the fact that 5/9 Alpha chapters are located there.

I don't think it's a matter of them not being allowed to have a Fall intake. Considering how long the intake processes are for some orgs, and that others expect aspirants to spend Fall semester getting to know the members... it just isn't feasible.

Hope that helped.

ladygreek 05-31-2007 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1458368)
Sugar.... it sounds like you're a Howard grad. Quick question for you -- any insight as to why NPHC orgs can't have fall lines there, but other Greek-lettered orgs can?

I didn't know it was as school rule. In Delta Fall lines are not very feasible considering the process a chapter has to go through to do intake. Some have done it, but more as an exception rather than the rule.

Senusret I 05-31-2007 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1458463)
I'll have to put my journalism degree to work to find out the exact answer...

But off the top, I'd suspect it's simply tradition supported by current University policy. I know that all intake processes (I believe this applies to both the NPHC and orgs like Delta Sigma Pi/Pershing Rifles) must be completed by Spring Break each year. I've never heard of a Fall line of any D9 org at Howard, and I'm guessing that is tied to the fact that 5/9 Alpha chapters are located there.

I don't think it's a matter of them not being allowed to have a Fall intake. Considering how long the intake processes are for some orgs, and that others expect aspirants to spend Fall semester getting to know the members... it just isn't feasible.

Hope that helped.

Thanks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1458508)
I didn't know it was as school rule. In Delta Fall lines are not very feasible considering the process a chapter has to go through to do intake. Some have done it, but more as an exception rather than the rule.

It might not be a rule, but I was once given the impression that it was. (But that was a while ago.)

AKA_Monet 06-01-2007 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1458166)
There is no cap at Howard. The administration leaves it to the discretion of the organization's regional director.

That may be happening in the South Atlantic Region too... That means Spelman College.


I can promise you, little chickedees are really trying to come outta the woodworks and not seriously be selling tixs to chit in a grad chapter... All kinna folks are asking my chapter president about when we are having MIP...

It's one thing for a small UG chapter at at PWI. It's another thing for a graduate chapter in a city that lacks diversity and skeerioussss interest...

ladygreek 06-01-2007 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1458686)
That may be happening in the South Atlantic Region too... That means Spelman College.


I can promise you, little chickedees are really trying to come outta the woodworks and not seriously be selling tixs to chit in a grad chapter... All kinna folks are asking my chapter president about when we are having MIP...

It's one thing for a small UG chapter at at PWI. It's another thing for a graduate chapter in a city that lacks diversity and skeerioussss interest...

Wow, I can't imagine what next sororal year will be like for you. I guess will face in it 12-13. Actually I feel our orgs should put a moratorium on alumnae intake the two years before the 100th. Cuz you know what you'll be getting is a lot of spoptlight seekers and t-shirt wearers--hoping to get their pictures in Jet.

33girl 06-01-2007 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sugar08 (Post 1458463)
Delta Sigma Pi/Pershing Rifles

Does Pershing Rifles go by Delta Sigma Pi now? Is that nationwide? We always just called them PRs.

/hijack

Senusret I 06-01-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1458775)
Does Pershing Rifles go by Delta Sigma Pi now? Is that nationwide? We always just called them PRs.

/hijack

Nah, two separate orgs. Delta Sigma Pi is a business fraternity.

33girl 06-01-2007 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1458778)
Nah, two separate orgs. Delta Sigma Pi is a business fraternity.

Ok thanks - I thought I had heard that name before.

AKA_Monet 06-01-2007 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ladygreek (Post 1458698)
Wow, I can't imagine what next sororal year will be like for you. I guess will face in it 12-13. Actually I feel our orgs should put a moratorium on alumnae intake the two years before the 100th. Cuz you know what you'll be getting is a lot of spoptlight seekers and t-shirt wearers--hoping to get their pictures in Jet.

You know me. These "interests" would really want to be doing the kinds of things of service for the Sorority before they might have an invitation to join. But, I am not interested in having my pearls snatched for it.

Most chapters I know have decided their calendar year for 2008. Many chapters just feel that if they go defunct because all their members graduate for UG chapter, or some grad chapter cannot survive due to other internal activities because of "requirements", then so be it.

If there could be an overall referendum and moratorium on intake because of impinging Centennial celebrations, then by all means, go for it. If women are serious, they will continue their pursuit.

Personally, AKA's should have fun being AKA's next year.

Boom_Quack13 06-01-2007 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1457790)
Line caps are a splendaforous idea. :)

I second the motion. ;)

ladygreek 06-02-2007 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1459260)
Personally, AKA's should have fun being AKA's next year.

Exactly!


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