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ask_bm001 02-14-2009 08:28 AM
Satellite Chapters?
 
Can someone explain what exactly this is and what it entails? I know I've sort of heard this before, but it seems very vague!

Thanks!

Senusret I 02-14-2009 08:48 AM
I've never really heard of this specific term before, nor have I heard of a similar concept outside of NPHC or other cultural organizations.

A "city-wide" chapter (or county-wide) is a chapter consisting of several schools in one area that do not or cannot support their own chapter on their own. A good example of a city-wide chapter is Omicron Pi Chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha in DC - Georgetown U., Catholic University, and Trinity University.

Core chapters (called different things by different orgs) are chapters at several schools but are not city wide. There are chapters of Delta Sigma Theta like this in DC - one is at American and Georgetown, the other is as Catholic and Trinity.

A satellite chapter has a different connotation for me -- it sounds like one chapter having a branch at another university, functioning as two entities. Is this what you mean?

preciousjeni 02-14-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1779546)
I've never really heard of this specific term before, nor have I heard of a similar concept outside of NPHC or other cultural organizations.

A "city-wide" chapter (or county-wide) is a chapter consisting of several schools in one area that do not or cannot support their own chapter on their own. A good example of a city-wide chapter is Omicron Pi Chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha in DC - Georgetown U., Catholic University, and Trinity University.

Core chapters (called different things by different orgs) are chapters at several schools but are not city wide. There are chapters of Delta Sigma Theta like this in DC - one is at American and Georgetown, the other is as Catholic and Trinity.
It is my understanding that city-wides are not affiliated with a campus at all while core (or whatever an org calls it) are attached to one campus but allow people from other campuses to join. In each case, all participating schools must be included on the charter. Would that be correct? My sorority has different terminology, but it's all the same thing.

Senusret I 02-14-2009 02:58 PM
I totally forgot to address the whole issue of recognition/access to benefits.

In Alpha specifically, whether it's a true city-wide or a segment of a city, at least one campus has to recognize the chapter. I do know that in other NPHCs, campus recognition isn't necessary for their city-wide chapters.

ask_bm001 02-15-2009 06:36 AM
Ok, let me specify by saying that this is in regards to having a group at the same university, but at a different campus.

I really don't think this is possible when the campuses are separated by 200 miles, esp. considering the requirements involved. But someone has posed this question to us, and the idea was new to me, so I wondered if it was done anywhere else.

moe.ron 02-15-2009 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ask_bm001 (Post 1779795)
Ok, let me specify by saying that this is in regards to having a group at the same university, but at a different campus.

I really don't think this is possible when the campuses are separated by 200 miles, esp. considering the requirements involved. But someone has posed this question to us, and the idea was new to me, so I wondered if it was done anywhere else.
At a different campus, wouldn't that be a different chapter then?

knight_shadow 02-15-2009 02:38 PM
^^^ Aren't those campuses separate entities within the Penn State system? Kind of like University of Texas and UT-Arlington? I think that's what moe.ron was saying; they should be separate chapters.

knight_shadow 02-15-2009 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Zeta13Girl (Post 1779950)
Yes that was what I was trying to show her.
OK. I thought you were trying to say that the other campuses were just "Penn State Pt. 2 and 3" as opposed to being their own entities.

33girl 02-16-2009 04:33 PM
Penn State branch campus chapters
 
Those are completely different chapters. They are not "satellites" of any sort. They have no more in common than 2 chapters of the same group at, say, Pitt and Purdue.

Just making triple sure this is all clear.

Unless the campi are very close together and students regularly move back and forth between chapters for classes and other student activities, I don't think a "satellite" chapter is very feasible.

Corsulian 02-19-2009 12:59 PM
I would say that if the two campuses have separate offices of student life/activities, you should have separate chapters with separate charters.

George Mason University has two nearby campuses that use the same Student Life Office. But we also have a campus in the United Arab Emirates with its own student life office. If someone wanted to have Phi Sigma Kappa there (not terribly likely), it would be a different chapter.

DiamondAthena 02-19-2009 05:32 PM
I thought a satellite chapter was when one school(with a chapter) is so close to another(without a chapter, but with interested women) that they are allowed to bring in women from that other school knowing that the women will eventually form their own colony or chapter(satellite) where they will report not only to Regionals but to their Chapter of Origin while they work to recieve their charter. Does this make sense?

knight_shadow 02-19-2009 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1781823)
I thought a satellite chapter was when one school(with a chapter) is so close to another(without a chapter, but with interested women) that they are allowed to bring in women from that other school knowing that the women will eventually form their own colony or chapter(satellite) where they will report not only to Regionals but to their Chapter of Origin while they work to recieve their charter. Does this make sense?
That makes sense, but I've never heard of that. What kind of authority would the chapter of origin have? What if the chapter contradicted the region/HQ?

Elephant Walk 02-19-2009 05:47 PM
Could this be in reference to the Kettering A/B situation?

preciousjeni 02-19-2009 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1781823)
I thought a satellite chapter was when one school(with a chapter) is so close to another(without a chapter, but with interested women) that they are allowed to bring in women from that other school knowing that the women will eventually form their own colony or chapter(satellite) where they will report not only to Regionals but to their Chapter of Origin while they work to recieve their charter. Does this make sense?
What you're talking about sounds like a regular extension/expansion.

PeppyGPhiB 02-19-2009 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by preciousjeni (Post 1781864)
What you're talking about sounds like a regular extension/expansion.
I'd say this is not at all like regular extension. Colonies do not report to other collegiate chapters, and I'd say most (if not all) do not affiliate with a chapter at a school they're not attending. At least not in the NPC. Is this something NPHC does?

preciousjeni 02-19-2009 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1781868)
I'd say this is not at all like regular extension. Colonies do not report to other collegiate chapters, and I'd say most (if not all) do not affiliate with a chapter at a school they're not attending. At least not in the NPC. Is this something NPHC does?
Sorry, I'm assuming she's a member of Lambda Psi Delta. Among multicultural sororities, it is not uncommon for a local graduate and/or undergraduate chapter to help with hands-on expansion work. I should also say that it is not uncommon for many multicultural sororities to circumvent Greek Life expansion policies by initiating women at Campus A through another nearby chapter at Campus B with the purpose of forming a chapter at Campus A. Then, there are initiated women at Campus A who can petition to be allowed to form a chapter rather than having interests attempting the same thing.

knight_shadow 02-19-2009 06:32 PM
^^^ I know of several organizations that receive help from neighboring chapters, but it sounded like she was saying that the petitioning chapter has to report to the assisting chapter. Many of the organizations I've come in contact with explicitly tell the assisting chapter "You can help with this, this, and this, but everything else comes to us." They don't really give the existing chapter any kind of "power" over the petitioning one.

33girl 02-19-2009 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1781846)
Could this be in reference to the Kettering A/B situation?
No, those are 2 separate chapters - they might as well be at schools 500 miles apart. "Satellite" implies one is less than/a "child" of the other, and that isn't the deal there.

DiamondAthena 02-20-2009 10:55 AM
well, it's a given that a lesser authority, ie, chapter of origin should not contradict the RD, just as the RD is subject to report HQ and not contradict it. I believe the Chapter of Origin would have to be a SUPER STRONG chapter that Regionals could trust with a task this large, and it's just to have some older sorors sort of looking after the newer ones. I just read the other posts..... You are right knight_shadow, there wouldn't be any "power" just assistance. I think this would only happen in a situation where Regionals was not open to allowing expansion but the amount of interest from the "new school" was really enough to start up a separate chapter. So they would pledge the core chapter and then branch off. And yes I am a member of Lambda Psi Delta, Preciousjeni :), So I can only speak for hypotheticals in my org. We've never actually had this happen as far as I know but it has come up as an option a time or two, but most times the chapters have other stuff to worry about w/o try to bring in girls from a whole other univeristy. LOL

preciousjeni 02-20-2009 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1782229)
well, it's a given that a lesser authority, ie, chapter of origin should not contradict the RD, just as the RD is subject to report HQ and not contradict it. I believe the Chapter of Origin would have to be a SUPER STRONG chapter that Regionals could trust with a task this large, and it's just to have some older sorors sort of looking after the newer ones. I think this would only happen in a situation where Regionals was not open to allowing expansion but the amount of interest from the "new school" was really enough to start up a separate chapter. So they would pledge the core chapter and then branch off.
That's what I thought you meant.

Ch2tf 02-20-2009 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1782229)
well, it's a given that a lesser authority, ie, chapter of origin should not contradict the RD, just as the RD is subject to report HQ and not contradict it. I believe the Chapter of Origin would have to be a SUPER STRONG chapter that Regionals could trust with a task this large, and it's just to have some older sorors sort of looking after the newer ones. I just read the other posts..... You are right knight_shadow, there wouldn't be any "power" just assistance. I think this would only happen in a situation where Regionals was not open to allowing expansion but the amount of interest from the "new school" was really enough to start up a separate chapter. So they would pledge the core chapter and then branch off. And yes I am a member of Lambda Psi Delta, Presciousjeni :), So I can only speak for hypotheticals in my org. We've never actually had this happen as far as I know but it has come up as an option a time or two, but most times the chapters have other stuff to worry about w/o try to bring in girls from a whole other univeristy. LOL
I guess I'm just sort of confused because "Not open for expansion" to me means just that, and no matter what the level/number of interests is the organization (or region I guess as you put it) isn't interested in taking on the task at that time.

DiamondAthena 02-20-2009 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ch2tf (Post 1782236)
I guess I'm just sort of confused because "Not open for expansion" to me means just that, and no matter what the level/number of interests is the organization (or region I guess as you put it) isn't interested in taking on the task at that time.

I guess when I said "not open" I didn't really mean closed. LOL I just meant the RD or HQ feels it can't support expansion there. Mainly in my experience it would be b/c of distance (not having enough grads in the area). Then a nearby chapter would probably explain that if they helped or handled everything it'd be eaiser. But that is normally not recieved well. LOL Thats why I say Hypothetical, b/c although I know the term, I have not seen it happen.

preciousjeni 02-20-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DiamondAthena (Post 1782240)
Thats why I say Hypothetical, b/c although I know the term, I have not seen it happen.
I have definitely seen it happen. But, it's usually because Greek Life on a campus isn't open for expansion but the sorority wants to have a presence at the school.


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