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LadyDread2010 01-27-2009 06:03 PM

Woman gives birth to eight babies
 
BELLFLOWER, Calif. – Newborn octuplets in Southern California are a feisty bunch that appear healthy even at nine weeks premature, a doctor said Tuesday.
Three babies are being given oxygen but appeared to be doing well, said Dr. Mandhir Gupta, a neonatologist at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center. Two of the newborns were initially on ventilators but no longer need them.
At least four could be ready for their first oral feeding later Tuesday.
"All babies were delivered vigorous, crying, kicking. Everyone was very excited," said Dr. Karen E. Maples, chief of service for obstetrics and gynecology and the physician who personally delivered Baby No. 8.
The mother, who has not been identified, gave birth Monday to the six boys and two girls weighing between 1 pound, 8 ounces, and 3 pounds, 4 ounces. She was resting comfortably Tuesday and was elated at welcoming eight children to her family, Gupta said.
The eighth baby surprised the parents and doctors who had prepared to deliver seven children.
"It is quite easy to miss a baby when you're anticipating seven," said Dr. Harold Henry, chief of maternal and fetal medicine and one of 46 doctors, nurses and assistants who delivered the children by Caesarean section.
Two of the newborns — the second live octuplets born in U.S. history — were initially put on ventilators but were later removed.
The mother checked into the hospital in her 23rd week of pregnancy. Hospital officials would not say whether she had used fertility drugs, which make multiple births more likely.
The babies — dubbed with the letters A-through-H — will probably remain in the hospital for at least two months and the mother could be released in a week.
The world's first live octuplets were born in March 1967 in Mexico City, but all died within 14 hours, according to Encyclopedia Britannica.
The United States' first live octuplets were born in Houston in 1998, three months premature. The tiniest died a week after the birth. The surviving siblings turned 10 in December.

ZTAMich 01-27-2009 06:50 PM

Link please!! :)

LadyDread2010 01-27-2009 06:52 PM

http://news.aol.com/health/article/w...tuplets/318552
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Originally Posted by ZTAMich (Post 1771357)
Link please!! :)


AGDee 01-27-2009 06:54 PM

They were saying on the Today show this morning that she was hoping to breast feed. I can't imagine!

LadyDread2010 01-27-2009 06:59 PM

Neither can I. I couldn't imagine having eight babies,either!
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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1771364)
They were saying on the Today show this morning that she was hoping to breast feed. I can't imagine!


WinniBug 01-27-2009 07:09 PM

Wow, just being pregnant with 1 is wearing me out!!
I couldn't imagine 8!

BetteDavisEyes 01-27-2009 07:59 PM

I used to live down the road from this hospital.

It's kinda creepy to me. I just don't believe that women were not meant to give birth to litters. Still, if they can afford all those kids and genuinely want and love them, more power to them.

Jill1228 01-28-2009 01:51 AM

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Hospital officials would not say whether she had used fertility drugs, which make multiple births more likely.
Um hello...she used fertility drugs :rolleyes:

Tippiechick 01-28-2009 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jill1228 (Post 1771645)
Um hello...she used fertility drugs :rolleyes:

If you use fertility drugs and get knocked up 8 times over, you shouldn't be one of those peeps that sells out their kids' childhood to make enough money to live... If you can't support that many, don't allow that many to be implanted.

I don't know if she'll be one of those people who accepts diapers and minivans from companies trying to capitalize on the kids... BUT, I hope she won't be.

Breeders like this seriously weird me out.

preciousjeni 01-28-2009 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jill1228 (Post 1771645)
Um hello...she used fertility drugs :rolleyes:

lol

KSUViolet06 01-28-2009 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jill1228 (Post 1771645)
Um hello...she used fertility drugs :rolleyes:

Right! The odds of her getting pregnant with that many kids naturally are astronomical.

I wonder if they're projected to have normal development (cognitively, physically, etc).

I remember there was a woman who gave birth to 7 kids on TLC a while back. I think like 4 of hers had some level of physical/congitive impairments (near blindness, needing speech/physical therapists, etc).




AGDee 01-28-2009 06:54 AM

Considering the fact that they have chosen to remain anonymous, I'm thinking they aren't going to sell out. Then again, maybe they think they'll get even more money for "going public". I tend to think it's the former though.

AOII Angel 01-28-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1771655)
Right! The odds of her getting pregnant with that many kids naturally are astronomical.

I wonder if they're projected to have normal development (cognitively, physically, etc).

I remember there was a woman who gave birth to 7 kids on TLC a while back. I think like 4 of hers had some level of physical/congitive impairments (near blindness, needing speech/physical therapists, etc).




That all depends on how early the babies were born. The earlier they are born, the higher the likelihood of significant impairments. Because none of the babies are on ventilators, they have to be at least 30-31 weeks gestational age. The number of babies only determines the likelihood to reach term, not the likelihood that the babies will be abnormal. As long as these babies don't have brain bleeds, they should be cognitively normal (in less, of course, they have disorders that are not related to prematurity, ie. Downs Syndrome.)

Tippiechick 01-29-2009 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 1772056)
They're 30.5 weeks according to doctors.

I'm hoping they'll release first names of the babies. I'm hoping they won't all have the same first initial a la the Duggars lol.

Nope. Not the same initial. They used the first eight letters of the alphabet.:rolleyes:

AGDee 01-29-2009 07:17 AM

My impression was that the birthing team of 46 staff used the letters of the alphabet to designate who would take care of which babies as they came out. So the nurse who was to take the first baby had an A on her hat, the one to take the second had a B, etc. I don't think those are their legal names, just what they were referring them to as they were born to keep them straight.

Tippiechick 01-29-2009 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1772135)
My impression was that the birthing team of 46 staff used the letters of the alphabet to designate who would take care of which babies as they came out. So the nurse who was to take the first baby had an A on her hat, the one to take the second had a B, etc. I don't think those are their legal names, just what they were referring them to as they were born to keep them straight.

Maybe I am wrong... But, that's what FoxNews said when they covered them.

AOII Angel 01-29-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tippiechick (Post 1772171)
Maybe I am wrong... But, that's what FoxNews said when they covered them.

They probably misunderstood the hospital. It is standard practice to name multiples by consecutive letters of the alphabet until they are named.

ZTABullwinkle 01-29-2009 04:22 PM

Did anyone see this? The mother of the octuplets already has six kids, according to neighbors. She has four older brothers, and two sisters. This includes a set of twins. :eek:

LINK

Unregistered- 01-29-2009 04:39 PM

Am I not seeing something here or is there no mention of a father?

The mother of 14 children lives in a house with her parents and her 6 older children and is fairly young.

W.T.F?

Munchkin03 01-29-2009 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1772265)
Am I not seeing something here or is there no mention of a father?

The mother of 14 children lives in a house with her parents and her 6 older children and is fairly young.

W.T.F?


Yeah, I read that. What's going on there?

Unregistered- 01-29-2009 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1772270)
Yeah, I read that. What's going on there?

She's trying to one-up Michelle Duggar.

Munchkin03 01-29-2009 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1772271)
She's trying to one-up Michelle Duggar.

But how's she getting knocked up? There ain't no babies-daddy!

Munchkin03 01-29-2009 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1772286)
http://www.latimes.com/features/heal...,1184425.story

In vitro fertilization.

They were talking about this on The View this morning and the issue of ethics.

Was it in vitro, or just Clomid? Often times, the high-order multiples will be a result of high doses of Clomid because the parents can't afford to do in vitro. In vitro can be really expensive, and not all insurance carriers cover it. Clomid, on the other hand, is much cheaper and usually is covered by insurance. Most doctors won't implant more than two or three embryos in vitro just because of how difficult it is to carry anywhere near full-term.

Also, from what I understand, Clomid is the first line of defense when dealing with infertility, but in normal doses, it only causes an extra one or two eggs to come out...the crazy doses that these women are taking would cause abnormal hyperstimulation of the ovaries.

Munchkin03 01-29-2009 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1772299)
Is Clomid a fertility drug? I think one of the articles discussed the debate over whether a fertility drug or in vitro was used.

On The View, they acted certain that it was in vitro. But that's neither here nor there.


Clomid stimulates ovarian activity. In normal doses, it can treat PCOS and other conditions where ovulation has been interrupted.

The women on The View can all be a little crazy, and I'm not surprised they didn't know the nuances. :)

Tippiechick 01-29-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jen (Post 1772345)
Unless the mother was using them irresponsibly, I can't see how she's at fault - someone had to give her a prescription. You can't waltz into Wal-Mart and pick Clomid off the shelves in the baby department.

I just think all the hostility I'm seeing around the internet directed toward the mother is unfair. If she did use fertility drugs, I think the questions need to be directed to the medical professionals who said "This woman with 6 kids needs fertility drugs/IVF/IUI" etc.

If this octuplet mom didn't use any fertility methods, she's getting a hell of a lot of flack for no reason.

She's a fucking idiot for wanting to bring yet another child in this world when she already has 6 that she apparently can't care for on her own... You live with mom and dad and your SIX kids and you feel the need to have MORE???

I'll direct every bit of my anger to her. She has now 8 more kids to bring into a crowded home. People can choose to have sex. They can choose to prevent pregnancy if they so desire. She seems to be dependent enough already needing help to raise the kids she has.

People kill me.

Munchkin03 01-29-2009 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen (Post 1772345)
Unless the mother was using them irresponsibly, I can't see how she's at fault - someone had to give her a prescription. You can't waltz into Wal-Mart and pick Clomid off the shelves in the baby department.

No, but you can buy it off of the Internet. You can go to an unscrupulous doctor and tell them you're suffering from PCOS, and the doctor can write you a prescription, which you take all at once. You can buy it from a friend who was prescribed it. I read somewhere that Clomid is one of the most popular non-painkillers on the black market. Like I said before, some insurers cover it, others don't; it's easy to see how people who want a kid and who can't afford in vitro would take this route.

libramunoz 01-29-2009 09:34 PM

Usually someone with PCOS has been dx by a dr and it's been a known condition for years. In getting pregnant, usually a doctor for a woman with PCOS tries to do an egg freezing process first.
The PCOS has to be a documented case first, I know b/c I have it.

Munchkin03 01-29-2009 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by libramunoz (Post 1772395)
Usually someone with PCOS has been dx by a dr and it's been a known condition for years. In getting pregnant, usually a doctor for a woman with PCOS tries to do an egg freezing process first.
The PCOS has to be a documented case first, I know b/c I have it.

That's why I said "unscrupulous doctor." There are physicians out there that will prescribe anything to anyone.

deepimpact2 01-29-2009 10:22 PM

OMG I can't imagine....

AGDee 01-29-2009 10:41 PM

I think a lot of people are jumping to a lot of conclusions. I find a few things troubling that nobody else has mentioned:
1) The family asked for anonymity but the press found the house where they live anyway.
2) They interview one guy who lives on the street who gives them information and they immediately accept it as fact. What's to say this guy isn't an attention whore who wants his 15 minutes of fame "a la Joe the Plumber" by saying stuff on the news.
3) Whose to say this isn't the home of the octuplet's parents and she is either a) allowing them to live with her for some reason or b) they aren't staying there with the six kids because the mother is in the hospital and just had octuplets! Almost everybody I know had the grandparents come when they had ONE baby. My mom slept over with my daughter at our house when I was in the hospital having my son. This isn't outrageous or unusual.

Bottom line: If a woman got pregnant with 8 children and through selective abortion, had only two or three, people would be up in arms about that too.

AOII_LB93 01-29-2009 10:41 PM

Women have two nipples...not eight like dogs and cats, thus most humans shouldn't be having a litter. If she already has 6 kids, WTF is she doing having more, especially 8! Where is the dad? She lives with her parents ? WTF is wrong with this picture!

Are my tax dollars going to pay for this BS?

ETA it's hard to stay anonymous when you pop out 8 kids.No one noticed she got GINORMOUS? Please, like the neighbors weren't going to talk, they were already talking about the 6 she has if she's "young".

Tippiechick 01-29-2009 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1772421)
I think a lot of people are jumping to a lot of conclusions. I find a few things troubling that nobody else has mentioned:
1) The family asked for anonymity but the press found the house where they live anyway.
2) They interview one guy who lives on the street who gives them information and they immediately accept it as fact. What's to say this guy isn't an attention whore who wants his 15 minutes of fame "a la Joe the Plumber" by saying stuff on the news.
3) Whose to say this isn't the home of the octuplet's parents and she is either a) allowing them to live with her for some reason or b) they aren't staying there with the six kids because the mother is in the hospital and just had octuplets! Almost everybody I know had the grandparents come when they had ONE baby. My mom slept over with my daughter at our house when I was in the hospital having my son. This isn't outrageous or unusual.

Bottom line: If a woman got pregnant with 8 children and through selective abortion, had only two or three, people would be up in arms about that too.

1. Who cares if they asked to stay anonymous? Did they think everyone in their lives was going to honor that? And, let's be honest here, it's not like they are gonna be able to stay hidden for more than two seconds...
2. http://www.ktla.com/landing_topstori...58&feedID=1198

Multiple people are confirming it. Not just one person close to the family (who asked to stay anonymous), but her neighbors as well.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/sto...6764771&page=1
Neighbors Tell ABC News Woman Is Single Mother Living With Parents
3. Are you serious? I think we all know the difference between STAYING to HELP temporarily and LIVING with your mom and dad...

ETA: If she already had six kids why did she have more to begin with? But, if she's gonna get herself knocked-up, she should not selectively abort. You're right I would have had a problem with that, too...

Jill1228 01-30-2009 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jen (Post 1772345)
Unless the mother was using them irresponsibly, I can't see how she's at fault - someone had to give her a prescription. You can't waltz into Wal-Mart and pick Clomid off the shelves in the baby department.

I know that in some pharmacies in Mexico (which is not too far from the LA area) you can get a lot of stuff without a prescription...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchkin03 (Post 1772386)
No, but you can buy it off of the Internet. You can go to an unscrupulous doctor and tell them you're suffering from PCOS, and the doctor can write you a prescription, which you take all at once. You can buy it from a friend who was prescribed it. I read somewhere that Clomid is one of the most popular non-painkillers on the black market. Like I said before, some insurers cover it, others don't; it's easy to see how people who want a kid and who can't afford in vitro would take this route.

There are also sites where people sell their unused fertility meds (either they got pregnant or their doctor has changed their medication protocol and they want to recoup some of their costs back). Or you can post an ad looking for certain meds. Some have a prescription for it but if you don't have insurance (or your insurance is too damn stingy to cover it...don't get me started) it can cost a hell of a lot more through a pharmacy and buying someone's left over meds can save a lot of money. So they go by what their prescription says and then get what they need off the internet.

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Originally Posted by libramunoz (Post 1772395)
Usually someone with PCOS has been dx by a dr and it's been a known condition for years. In getting pregnant, usually a doctor for a woman with PCOS tries to do an egg freezing process first.
The PCOS has to be a documented case first, I know b/c I have it.

I have never heard of that. I have PCOS and was put on Metformin.

As a rule, Clomid will not produce that many eggs. I am wondering if she used injectables without a doctor's supervision. IUI or timed sex with injectables have more of a chance of multiples

Obviously she does not have fertility problems. Most RE's (reproductive endocrinolgists) would not have touched her with a 10 foot pole

AGDee 01-30-2009 08:11 AM

Ok, she's a whack job! I just want more info before I make that conclusion :)

IlovemyAKA 01-30-2009 09:57 AM

The news report stated that she decided against selective abortion. That has to count for something. Sure, her decision to have more was irresponsible, but she's doing what she feels is right in spite of the mess she's created for herself.

Kevin 01-30-2009 11:25 AM

DAD: The mill's closed! There's no more work. We're destitute.

CHILDREN:
[talking]

DAD:
Come in, my little loves. I've got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments.

CHILDREN:
[whining]

DAD:
No, no. That's the way it is, my loves. Blame the Catholic church for not letting me wear one of those little rubber things. Oh, they've done some wonderful things in their time. They preserved the might and majesty, the mystery of the Church of Rome, and the sanctity of the sacraments, the indivisible oneness of the Trinity, but if they'd let me wear one of those little rubber things on the end of my cock, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

BOY:
Couldn't Mummy have worn some sort of pessary?

DAD:
Not if we're going to remain members of the fastest growing religion in the world, my boy.

DaemonSeid 01-30-2009 11:58 AM

She has six other kids and still lives at home with mom???



She was already fertile, why then, did she feel a need to have fertility treatments to have more kids?

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that somewhere out there, it's irresponsible to let someone that already has a LARGE family to get a treatment known to make you have many multiple births at once.

I could see this if she didn't have kids at all or had trouble getting pregnant naturally but....she obviously had no problems....maybe she couldn't wait thru 8 more pregnancies.

My question who will be responsible for raising ALL 14 of these kids?

Her...or the taxpayers?


...somebody's gotta say it....


Don't know if you guys saw...but the answer to the Baby Daddy question:

Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.

Link

Tippiechick 01-30-2009 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1772586)
She has six other kids and still lives at home with mom???



She was already fertile, why then, did she feel a need to have fertility treatments to have more kids?

Maybe it's just me, but I feel that somewhere out there, it's irresponsible to let someone that already has a LARGE family to get a treatment known to make you have many multiple births at once.

I could see this if she didn't have kids at all or had trouble getting pregnant naturally but....she obviously had no problems....maybe she couldn't wait thru 8 more pregnancies.

My question who will be responsible for raising ALL 14 of these kids?

Her...or the taxpayers?


...somebody's gotta say it....


Don't know if you guys saw...but the answer to the Baby Daddy question:

Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.

Link

Wow. Just wow. Her husband is a contract worker, so he'll be gone for months and months. She's still a fucking idiot for breeding that many kids after already having 6.

SWTXBelle 01-30-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1772577)
DAD: The mill's closed! There's no more work. We're destitute.

CHILDREN: [talking]

DAD: Come in, my little loves. I've got no option but to sell you all for scientific experiments.

CHILDREN: [whining]

DAD: No, no. That's the way it is, my loves. Blame the Catholic church for not letting me wear one of those little rubber things. Oh, they've done some wonderful things in their time. They preserved the might and majesty, the mystery of the Church of Rome, and the sanctity of the sacraments, the indivisible oneness of the Trinity, but if they'd let me wear one of those little rubber things on the end of my cock, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.

BOY: Couldn't Mummy have worn some sort of pessary?

DAD: Not if we're going to remain members of the fastest growing religion in the world, my boy.

Love me some Monty Python.

DaemonSeid 01-30-2009 01:50 PM

8 Is Enough: The Limits to Human Reproduction

Agree or disagree


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