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DaemonSeid 01-15-2009 10:01 AM

Happy 80th Birthday MLK
 
One can only imagine what he would say if he could be alive to see today.




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I do have a question: In your opinion, how much different do you think America would be had he not have been assassinated?

Would America already had seen a Black President?

How much more aware would the US or the world be of the cultural division here in the US and how much more (or less) progress would we have made towards bringing the country together?

cheerfulgreek 01-15-2009 01:31 PM

It's recognized this Monday, isn't it?

DaemonSeid 01-15-2009 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1766000)
It's recognized this Monday, isn't it?

The Holiday is...his actual birthday is today.

cheerfulgreek 01-15-2009 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1766006)
The Holiday is...his actual birthday is today.

But I thought it was always honored on Monday.

ETA: I just misread your post. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Senusret I 01-15-2009 04:32 PM

But we are allowed to wish him a happy birthday on his actual birthday.

cheerfulgreek 01-15-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1766092)
But we are allowed to wish him a happy birthday on his actual birthday.

Go ahead, no one's stopping you.

DaemonSeid 01-15-2009 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1766090)
But I thought it was always honored on Monday.

ETA: I just misread your post. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Back in the day before it was made a federal holiday, most cities (at least Baltimore and DC) celebrated his actual birthday and thus most local jurisdictions down.

My only nitpick is since MLK has a holiday on the 3rd Monday, most calendars do not denote the actual birthday anymore.

cheerfulgreek 01-15-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1766098)
Back in the day before it was made a federal holiday, most cities (at least Baltimore and DC) celebrated his actual birthday and thus most local jurisdictions down.

My only nitpick is since MLK has a holiday on the 3rd Monday, most calendars do not denote the actual birthday anymore.

Some places still don't honor it. To me, that's sad.

DaemonSeid 01-15-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1766100)
Some places still don't honor it. To me, that's sad.

Don't get me started on that...heh

I can only imagine what will happen if (HUMONGOUS IF at that) ever serious talk comes around to Obama's bithrday or something like that akin to a national holiday.

cheerfulgreek 01-15-2009 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1766101)
Don't get me started on that...heh

I can only imagine what will happen if (HUMONGOUS IF at that) ever serious talk comes around to Obama's bithrday or something like that akin to a national holiday.

I doubt they would make Obama's birthday a national holiday. He would be apart of Presidents day.

DaemonSeid 01-15-2009 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1766103)
I doubt they would make Obama's birthday a national holiday. He would be apart of Presidents day.

Oh I know that but.....if Lincoln can get one....hehe

Funny that you mention that...I also remember for a long while before it was all consolidated into President's Day, local jurisdictions used to close for Washington and Lincoln's B day and I really think that aprt of just having ONE day to celebrate elminated the confusion that sometimes occured when their birthdays fell on weird days of the week

cheerfulgreek 01-15-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1766104)
Oh I know that but.....if Lincoln can get one....hehe

Does he?

ETA: I just found out that a US Airways A320 airbus just crashed into the Hudson River. It's on t.v. It just happened.

DaemonSeid 01-15-2009 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek (Post 1766106)
Does he?

ETA: I just found out that a US Airways A320 airbus just crashed into the Hudson River. It's on t.v. It just happened.

Used to...

hey, start a thread up when more gets reported....some sad news to hear on a day / week like this.

ETA Damn Benz!!!

cheerfulgreek 01-15-2009 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1766111)
Used to...

hey, start a thread up when more gets reported....some sad news to hear on a day / week like this.

Benzgirl already did. She's watching it on CNN. I think they're getting some of the passengers out safely.

AKA_Monet 01-15-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1765915)
In your opinion, how much different do you think America would be had he not have been assassinated?

Would America already had seen a Black President?

How much more aware would the US or the world be of the cultural division here in the US and how much more (or less) progress would we have made towards bringing the country together?

Honestly, I cannot imagine a world with MLK still alive. I guess to me it is the same as if Christ was not crucified and resurrected. I am not one to really speculate, but if I were to do so, MLK's impact would not be what it is today. I think his mode of "non-violence" and "civil disobedience" would have started to get old--which is was at the time of his death and that the US would have fractured further. IDK? I think that the division would have gone unresolved and we would see something similar to that seen in places like France in the Bonne Heures.

Happy Birthday, Dr. King! This year, you'd be proud!

tld221 01-15-2009 09:11 PM

My students asked if they could sing happy birthday in his honor. Their teacher only allowed it if they sang the Stevie Wonder version.

Of course being that most of my students are born between 1997-99, their response was "who?? Whaaa??" As she belted out a really off-key version.

Ok back to your regular scheduled program.

DaemonSeid 01-15-2009 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1766221)
Honestly, I cannot imagine a world with MLK still alive. I guess to me it is the same as if Christ was not crucified and resurrected. I am not one to really speculate, but if I were to do so, MLK's impact would not be what it is today. I think his mode of "non-violence" and "civil disobedience" would have started to get old--which is was at the time of his death and that the US would have fractured further. IDK? I think that the division would have gone unresolved and we would see something similar to that seen in places like France in the Bonne Heures.

Happy Birthday, Dr. King! This year, you'd be proud!

So, you are saying that his death was more impactful than his life?

I agree with you on that!

Progress possibly would have taken longer to make had he lived a complete life.

Here is one...what if he survived the assassination and no I am not talking abot the Boondocks version.

AKA_Monet 01-15-2009 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1766240)
So, you are saying that his death was more impactful than his life?

Here is one...what if he survived the assassination and no I am not talking abot the Boondocks version.

IMO, unfortunately, yes. But that is my opinion. IDK if that would be the truth.

The person thought to have shot MLK was a sharp shooter, like "Hitman", he never misses. MLK was shot execution style from 30 yards out with a round hollow tip rifle and a scope. His patterns were traced for a solid 2-3 weeks. It was expected what he would be doing on April 4, 1968.

When the opportunity arose to take the shot, the shooter did. Now, while I do think that James Earl Ray was the shooter, I don't think he was the only person involved in the plot. I think that is the conspiracy theory.

DaemonSeid 01-16-2009 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet (Post 1766265)
IMO, unfortunately, yes. But that is my opinion. IDK if that would be the truth.

The person thought to have shot MLK was a sharp shooter, like "Hitman", he never misses. MLK was shot execution style from 30 yards out with a round hollow tip rifle and a scope. His patterns were traced for a solid 2-3 weeks. It was expected what he would be doing on April 4, 1968.

When the opportunity arose to take the shot, the shooter did. Now, while I do think that James Earl Ray was the shooter, I don't think he was the only person involved in the plot. I think that is the conspiracy theory.


I still think to some degree...the assassinations of MLK and Malcolm X were systematic drive people from one camp to the other and once people saw that the gov't was willing to pick them off by dirty means...scatter the herd.

Usually when you cut the head off of a hydra another one grows back....this wasn't the case because for one...too many groups had too many different ideas to get to the same goal...like the Black Panthers.

Then there was those coming back from Vietnam trying to readjust to life in the US and seeing that they were getting as much love here as they did there being shot at by the VC, many found it difficult.

I also actually believe that as their stances changed and their ideologies made it to a point that their paths instead of being parallel began to converge, the government got scared.

When the seeds of dissention were sown, and the heads of the movement were struck down one after the other, the power base scattered like roaches.



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A revolution is bloody, but America is in a unique position. She’s the only country in history in a position actually to become involved in a blood-less revolution."


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