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DaemonSeid 12-09-2008 12:31 PM

Illinois Governor Tried to Sell Obama's Senate Seat.
 
CHICAGO – Federal authorities arrested Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich Tuesday on charges that he brazenly conspired to sell or trade the Senate seat left vacant by President-elect Barack Obama to the highest bidder.

Blagojevich also was charged with illegally threatening to withhold state assistance to Tribune Co., the owner of the Chicago Tribune, in the sale of Wrigley Field, according to a federal criminal complaint. In return for state assistance, Blagojevich allegedly wanted members of the paper's editorial board who had been critical of him fired.

A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democratic governor was intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps over the last month conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.

Otherwise, Blagojevich considered appointing himself. The affidavit said that as late as Nov. 3, he told his deputy governor that if "they're not going to offer me anything of value I might as well take it."

"I'm going to keep this Senate option for me a real possibility, you know, and therefore I can drive a hard bargain," Blagojevich allegedly said later that day, according to the affidavit, which also quoted him as saying in a remark punctuated by profanity that the seat was "a valuable thing — you just don't give it away for nothing."

The affidavit said Blagojevich also discussed getting a substantial salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation or an organization affiliated with labor unions.

It said Blagojevich also talked about getting his wife placed on corporate boards where she might get $150,000 a year in director's fees.

He also allegedly discussed getting campaign funds for himself or possibly a post in the president's cabinet or an ambassadorship once he left the governor's office. He noted becoming a U.S. senator might remake his image for a possible presidential run in 2016, according to the affidavit. And he allegedly said a Senate seat would also provide him with corporate contacts if he needed a job and present an opportunity for his wife to work as a lobbyist.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/...rruption_probe

agzg 12-09-2008 12:41 PM

This guy is a Class A jerk.

DaemonSeid 12-09-2008 12:45 PM

It's like I said before, you can't walk thru the political playground without getting your feet dirty...in this case, he was kicking up some mud.

srmom 12-09-2008 12:53 PM

If you remember, he went in with the purpose of cleaning up the corruption left by Governor Ryan.

Haha! He did a good job didn't he. What a scumbag.

Kevin 12-09-2008 01:30 PM

Gotta love that Chicago party of "change."

lillady85 12-09-2008 03:21 PM

How about we not jump to the conclusion that Blago's actions are associated with our President-elect? There are millions of voters in Illinois who have hated Blago (and his corruption) for years now. Legislators who have introduced legislation just so we can kick him out.

Blago is not the posterboy for all of Illinois. It's sad that not only do we have to deal with Chicago being seen as nothing but a machine politics city, but now we have this to deal with.

SWTXBelle 12-09-2008 04:07 PM

When I first saw the headline, I thought it must be fake a la Onion. Too over-the-top . . . is that hair really his?

agzg 12-09-2008 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1752913)
When I first saw the headline, I thought it must be fake a la Onion. Too over-the-top . . . is that hair really his?

Apparently everything the man does is a little too over the top. There's been rumors floating around that he was thinking of appointing himself to Obama's senate seat since September.

This household voted yes on the legislation to remove political figures. I can't speak for myself (since I'm new here) but my boyfriend, his family, all his friends - each one has a different reason to hate the guy. 90% of which are longtime democrat supporters.

I don't know if that's some type of toupe, but I think his hair is a riot.

Kevin 12-09-2008 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1752904)
How about we not jump to the conclusion that Blago's actions are associated with our President-elect? There are millions of voters in Illinois who have hated Blago (and his corruption) for years now. Legislators who have introduced legislation just so we can kick him out.

Blago is not the posterboy for all of Illinois. It's sad that not only do we have to deal with Chicago being seen as nothing but a machine politics city, but now we have this to deal with.

Sometimes if it looks like a duck...

wrigley 12-09-2008 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1752904)
How about we not jump to the conclusion that Blago's actions are associated with our President-elect? There are millions of voters in Illinois who have hated Blago (and his corruption) for years now. Legislators who have introduced legislation just so we can kick him out.

Blago is not the posterboy for all of Illinois. It's sad that not only do we have to deal with Chicago being seen as nothing but a machine politics city, but now we have this to deal with.

I agree. Bman does not represent all of Illinois. There are other Illinois politicians who have done good things for the state.

agzg 12-09-2008 04:54 PM

The worst part is that people associate this type of going on with the state of Illinois and the city of Chicago. Chicago's a really nice place, and I really like it here. Illinois is a nice state - the people in general, even immigrant populations, have that mid-western charm, are friendly, and on the whole, are just good people.

It's too bad that more people won't associate the real Chicago or the real Illinois with the city or state, just the corrupt politicians that have come out of it (and let's face it, there have been more than a few).

Honestly, the reactions that I get when I tell people that I've moved here is "Why would you move there?! You're gonna get murdered!" or "You moving in with all the corrupt politicians?" I don't blame my family members because they all live in a rural area - they said the murder thing when I moved to Erie, PA too. My friends, however, were all surprised that I would want to live in such a "dangerous place". I don't feel like it's dangerous at all - if you have a little bit of street smarts and learn your neighborhood you shouldn't have too many worries. Locked doors, flashlights at night, cell phones always, and being aware of your surroundings go a long way. It's no more dangerous than any other large city.

KSigkid 12-09-2008 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1752927)
The worst part is that people associate this type of going on with the state of Illinois and the city of Chicago. Chicago's a really nice place, and I really like it here. Illinois is a nice state - the people in general, even immigrant populations, have that mid-western charm, are friendly, and on the whole, are just good people.

It's too bad that more people won't associate the real Chicago or the real Illinois with the city or state, just the corrupt politicians that have come out of it (and let's face it, there have been more than a few).

Honestly, the reactions that I get when I tell people that I've moved here is "Why would you move there?! You're gonna get murdered!" or "You moving in with all the corrupt politicians?" I don't blame my family members because they all live in a rural area - they said the murder thing when I moved to Erie, PA too. My friends, however, were all surprised that I would want to live in such a "dangerous place". I don't feel like it's dangerous at all - if you have a little bit of street smarts and learn your neighborhood you shouldn't have too many worries. Locked doors, flashlights at night, cell phones always, and being aware of your surroundings go a long way. It's no more dangerous than any other large city.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1752938)
You know, I get the same reactions. People automatically assume I went to some ghetto high school and had problems with gangs and that my neighborhood is falling apart. People are idiots. I don't even bother with the ones who say Chicago is "dangerous place" especially if they're from the 'burbs. Not all of our politicians are corrupt, not all of our neighborhoods are dangerous, and we sure as hell aren't going to be murdered just because we live here.

Ignorant comments like that make me glad I will never live in Podunk, Iowa. Illinois, nor Chicago, is perfect. But there are honest citizens who'd love to give Blago (and Stroger!) a good kick in the butt for what they've done.

I understand it can be annoying, but these types of generalizations happen no matter where you live. Whether you say you're from Chicago, Boston, Texas, Pittsburgh, Connecticut, wherever, you're going to get snap judgments from people about that city or that area of the country (sort of how you chose to list "Podunk, Iowa"). It's not something everyone has to accept, but it's something we all have to live with, no matter where we live.

PM_Mama00 12-09-2008 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1752904)
How about we not jump to the conclusion that Blago's actions are associated with our President-elect? There are millions of voters in Illinois who have hated Blago (and his corruption) for years now. Legislators who have introduced legislation just so we can kick him out.

Blago is not the posterboy for all of Illinois. It's sad that not only do we have to deal with Chicago being seen as nothing but a machine politics city, but now we have this to deal with.

All of us Detroiters reading this are saying.....

boooooo hooooooo How does it feel?

KSigkid 12-09-2008 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00 (Post 1752989)
All of us Detroiters reading this are saying.....

boooooo hooooooo How does it feel?

Probably the same as all the Northerners, Southerners, West Coasters, and other people from geographic areas that have been slighted on this board?

No area of the country has been spared from the generalizations on the board.

AKA_Monet 12-09-2008 09:29 PM

You know, I am becoming a huge proponent of psych evaluations for those seeking high office from governorships, senators (only because they are around for 7 years) to above...



That being said, I am nuttier than a fruitcake... Guess I am not running for office... LOL...
:D

chitownxo 12-09-2008 09:31 PM

I'm a little disappointed Gov. Blago wasn't arrested wearing his Elvis jammies, but what are you going to do?

Seriously, I'm surprised that this happened this way. Oh, not that he's corrupt (like, sadly, other Illinois governors). I think most people in the state fully expected him to be arrested after his term expired for his many other misdeeds. I just can't believe he was so monumentally stupid as to pull something like this. Knowing that many of his cronies have been convicted, did he really think that he could escape this time. Un-freakin'-believable.

I can stand here and tell you that the term "Honest Illinois Politician" is not an oxymoron, but I can see why outsiders don't believe it. We do have some wonderful people representing our state...we just picked a politically connected dipweed to run our state.

Oh, alphagamzetagam, we love the hair in our house, too. We call it the hair helmet. Did you notice how it didn't move during his press conference in front of Republic?

AKA_Monet 12-09-2008 10:15 PM

Ironically, today is International Anti-Corruption Day... (According to the Rachel Maddow Show)... :rolleyes:

agzg 12-09-2008 11:28 PM

It's like Betty White's hair in Golden Girls...

AGDee 12-09-2008 11:30 PM

If only they'd elected Judy Barr Topinka instead ...She's a Republican, but she's an Alpha Gam, pro-choice and pro gay rights, so if I was in the area, I would probably have voted for her.

LightBulb 12-09-2008 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chitownxo (Post 1753006)
I'm a little disappointed Gov. Blago wasn't arrested wearing his Elvis jammies, but what are you going to do?

Elvis jammies? I would vote for someone who campaigned in Elvis jammies!

Blagojevich explains himself in 30 seconds

agzg 12-10-2008 12:01 AM

They just nailed a bunch of Chicago cops for corruption last week, too... It's not a good month for Chicago.

The FBI called it a new low for Illinois Political Corruption... wow.

KSigkid 12-10-2008 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1753057)
As for generalizations, of course there are going to be those. I only mentioned Podunk, Iowa because I lived there for enough time to comment on it. I should have elaborated better that people always make generalizations on big cities. Even if they are unfairly deserved. What is annoying is when someone who has never lived (or even visited) cities like Detroit, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc, decides to make a comment to a citizen of that city that their hometown is "dangerous" just because it's bigger.

Oh, definitely - I just find it to be a trend on the site that people think that their city (whether it be Chicago, Pittsburgh, Detroit, NYC, Boston, wherever) is the most disrespected city in the country, etc. The fact is that all areas of the country have been ripped on this site - apparently we're equal opportunity critics here ;) .

KSig RC 12-10-2008 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1753057)
:rolleyes:

Feel better? Just because our Gov is corrupt doesn't mean we as a people are corrupt. I know I certainly wasn't making fun of the issues in Detroit though I could. How does it feel? Pretty lousy, because now everyone assumes that we're all corrupt when we aren't.


ETA: AGDee, yes on Topinka! I voted for her (even though I am a Dem). I didn't agree with everything she had to say but even then it was obvious Blago would amount to no good.

As for generalizations, of course there are going to be those. I only mentioned Podunk, Iowa because I lived there for enough time to comment on it. I should have elaborated better that people always make generalizations on big cities. Even if they are unfairly deserved. What is annoying is when someone who has never lived (or even visited) cities like Detroit, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc, decides to make a comment to a citizen of that city that their hometown is "dangerous" just because it's bigger.

I seriously have no idea what you're really railing against here, and I suspect you really don't either.

Chicago politics are basically implicitly corrupt at this point. However, nobody is claiming that the citizens of Chicago suddenly live in Gomorrah, or that Chicago is somehow insanely dangerous as a result of rampant political corruption. Rage, rage against the dying of . . . whatever?

honeychile 12-10-2008 12:47 AM

About the hair...

Friends of mine live right around the corner from his Chicago home, and we've all met him/seen him jog more times than I care to think about. If that's a toupee, more men who are going that route should find out the brand, because it really does move, at least when he jogs.

Politically, while "Call me Rod" got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, I have no doubt that far worse political scandals have gone done, and we'll never even know about most of them.

AKA_Monet 12-10-2008 03:34 AM

So, they said Bla----- called Rahm Emanuel to shake him down. So I think this is very fitting from SNL...

Introducing Rahm Emanuel

LOL...

And in the Batman lingo.. This is fitting, too...

KSigkid 12-10-2008 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honeychile (Post 1753094)
Politically, while "Call me Rod" got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, I have no doubt that far worse political scandals have gone done, and we'll never even know about most of them.

Does that excuse it, though? I mean, this is blatant and pretty disturbing. Politically, this is near the top of the "naughty" list (to stay in the spirit of the holiday season). The only thing that might save it is that it was so blatant that there was little chance he would get away with it.

MysticCat 12-10-2008 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1753092)
KSigRC,

No, I do know what I'm rallying against. The first part of my post was towards PM_Mama who seemed (to me) to taunt Chicago/Illinois with " Detroiters are saying Booo hooo, how does it feel?". As if suddenly our corruption scandals are new to us or we're going to be ashamed of it.

I think all she meant was "Welcome to the Club" (or "I see you're still in the Club.") As KSigRC has said, what Chicagoans/Illinoisians (is that right?) are now experiencing is pretty much what Detroiters have been experiencing and, speaking more broadly than just corrupt politics, what GCers from every part of the country have experienced at one time or another. (Just for an example of what we Southerners get, check out the first picture in this post.)

Every part of the country gets a bad rap from time to time. Sometimes it's deserved, but often it's not. No need to take it personally. Somethings really aren't worth rallying against.

agzg 12-10-2008 10:56 AM

I think people that live near his Chicago home should go put coal in his mailbox on Christmas. He lives on the North Side, right?

As far as the "boo hoo" comment, which I ignored until I realized that you're not actually being an ignorant prick, PM_Mama, I know Detroit's really gotten it pretty bad in the media and on GC, however I think we can all agree that most of us, especially those of us in the midwest, are scared shitless about the possible demise of the Auto Industry. Chicagoans are going to be far more affected than we know. Let's try to be friendly with one another for a little bit, hmm? It's the holiday season.

AGDee 12-10-2008 12:18 PM

The irony is, for us in Detroit, Chicago is a popular weekend destination! We love Chicago, look at Chicago and think "Why didn't they do this with Detroit???" There has been a stigma attached to being from Detroit for as long as I can remember, even in other parts of Michigan! When I was a kid and we went on vacations in northern Michigan, as young as 7 or 8 years old, I remember noticing that people physically took a step back when you said you were from Detroit. I learned at that young age to say "near Detroit" or just say the actual city name rather than say "Detroit" because the reaction was so strong. Sad...

DaemonSeid 12-10-2008 12:37 PM

Slightly used Senate Seat - $500000 (WDC)
Reply to: sale-951993431@craigslist.org [?]
Date: 2008-12-09, 9:58PM EST






For Sale/Barter,

Slightly used United States Senate seat. Only one owner this term, though rarely present -- like new. Illinois ties preferred.

Must be willing to barter 1/2 million in monetary compensation, and employment (either government or nonprofit, preferably the latter) for myself and my wife. I'd like to do this for more than recognition. Please don't relegate me to the the "free" postings. This is too valuable for that.

Union friendly, would not like corporate work (like BofA).

Let's make sure we do all negotiations by telephone.

Email for more info.

"Hot" Rod B.
Springfield, IL





Location: WDC
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/d...951993431.html


and reply:


Hi,

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But, I have a few questions about this seat:

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Thanks....

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honeychile 12-10-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSigkid (Post 1753137)
Does that excuse it, though? I mean, this is blatant and pretty disturbing. Politically, this is near the top of the "naughty" list (to stay in the spirit of the holiday season). The only thing that might save it is that it was so blatant that there was little chance he would get away with it.

Not at all, and I'd never say that it did.
Quote:

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1753145)
I think people that live near his Chicago home should go put coal in his mailbox on Christmas. He lives on the North Side, right?

I'm sure I could get you the exact address, should you want it. I don't think "around the corner from Bill & Rhonda" would work.

Kevlar281 12-10-2008 03:08 PM

I just heard on the news while I was working out that three former Illinois governors have gone to prison in the past 25 years...that is one crazy stat.

SWTXBelle 12-10-2008 04:12 PM

How do you measure corruption?
 
http://www.slate.com/id/2206364/

PM_Mama00 12-10-2008 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1753057)
:rolleyes:

Feel better? Just because our Gov is corrupt doesn't mean we as a people are corrupt. I know I certainly wasn't making fun of the issues in Detroit though I could. How does it feel? Pretty lousy, because now everyone assumes that we're all corrupt when we aren't.


ETA: AGDee, yes on Topinka! I voted for her (even though I am a Dem). I didn't agree with everything she had to say but even then it was obvious Blago would amount to no good.

As for generalizations, of course there are going to be those. I only mentioned Podunk, Iowa because I lived there for enough time to comment on it. I should have elaborated better that people always make generalizations on big cities. Even if they are unfairly deserved. What is annoying is when someone who has never lived (or even visited) cities like Detroit, Pittsburgh, Boston, etc, decides to make a comment to a citizen of that city that their hometown is "dangerous" just because it's bigger.


Quote:

Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1753144)
I think all she meant was "Welcome to the Club" (or "I see you're still in the Club.") As KSigRC has said, what Chicagoans/Illinoisians (is that right?) are now experiencing is pretty much what Detroiters have been experiencing and, speaking more broadly than just corrupt politics, what GCers from every part of the country have experienced at one time or another. (Just for an example of what we Southerners get, check out the first picture in this post.)

Every part of the country gets a bad rap from time to time. Sometimes it's deserved, but often it's not. No need to take it personally. Somethings really aren't worth rallying against.

Thank you.

ufpika 12-10-2008 05:52 PM

What can you expect, they are trying to fill the Messiah's seat.

agzg 12-10-2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ufpika (Post 1753291)
What can you expect, they are trying to fill the Messiah's seat.

OMG - you must hang out on digg too much.

KSig RC 12-10-2008 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillady85 (Post 1753092)
No, Chicago is not a Gomorrah. But people across the country assume that all our politics are corrupt. You even mention it yourself in your last comment about how our politics are "implicitly corrupt". True, we come from a background that is not the cleanest. But we've moved a long way from that ...

I mean . . .

Sister Havana 12-10-2008 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1753053)
If only they'd elected Judy Barr Topinka instead ...She's a Republican, but she's an Alpha Gam, pro-choice and pro gay rights, so if I was in the area, I would probably have voted for her.

The only reason I didn't vote for her was because she picked the absolute worst running mate there is. I did not want Joe Birkett anywhere near the statehouse. Had she picked anyone else she would have gotten my vote. (I did vote for her for treasurer twice)

As for Blagojevich, what's most shocking to me is not that he's so sleazy, but how stupid he was about all this. (Hello, you've been under investigation since 2002 or so and yet you still pull this crap?) The honorable thing for him to do would be to step down, but he probably won't. (The legislature is coming back for an emergency session on Monday - methinks impeachment proceedings are in the works.)

DaemonSeid - there are loads of those ads on craigslist in Chicago. I like this one:

U S Senate seat - $9999999 (Washington D C)
Reply to: see below
Date: 2008-12-09, 1:32PM CST


For sale to the highest bidder: 1 United States Senate Seat, very lightly used for the last 4 years. Recently vacated by A President Elect. As Governor, I have the supreme right to appoint the successor & am willing to award the seat to the highest bidder. No Federal Investigators, please. Contact Rod B. at:
METROPOLITAN CORRECTIONAL CENTER
71 WEST VAN BUREN STREET
CHICAGO, IL 60605
312-322-0567

piphiangel314 12-10-2008 09:42 PM

I cannot stand Rod Blagojevich. I'm from Illinois and have met him on a few different occasions, and something about him has always rubbed me the wrong way. Not to mention he's a total creeper. One day he toured our facilities at work, and while we were all in there working at the computer, he came up behind my best friend and proceeded to give her a shoulder massage (we took pictures inconspiculously and hung them at her desk the next day). He then invited us all over to his mansion for a soiree that night. Just a tad creepy...

Back to politics. I know that this is going to sound like the typical whine-y Southern Illinoisan - but he forgot about us. I love Chicago - don't get me wrong. I'd love to live there one day. But honestly, anything further south than Springfield he completely ignored. So that has always bugged me about him.

Have ya'll read the affidavit/indictment document? It's quite interesting. He was pretty vulgar in a lot of the phone conversations. It's sickening.

moe.ron 12-10-2008 09:57 PM

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