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Dejajeva 09-17-2001 01:12 PM

Time to move on...
 
Is anyone else ready to put this behind them? I know that this nation is grieving...and only time will make it better, but sometimes I feel like we are only focusing on the negitive aspects of this terrible tragedy. We need to come together, stop debating this or that, and begin to work torwards a new future. I'm sick of hearing it everywhere I go. I'm trying to maintain a postive outlook for America's future and I think we should all do the same. I read through these threads and watch us pull eachother apart because some of us have different idea's than others of us. Let's focus on School, and America, and using our greek life to better ourselves, our schools, our states, and our nation through sisterhood or brotherhood and move on with our lives. Repeating what we've heard time after time after time after time doesn't do anything for the healing process.

-steps off the soapbox-

Always,
Jessica

curiouss 09-17-2001 01:30 PM

I second that.

My deepest condolences go out to the people who were involved in the tragedy and their family and friends. However, for us who have not been involved this incident directly or indirectly needs to rejoice in life and be thankful that we are safe (so far!). I have the feeling that we have been spared and should take advantage. Because we don't know what's in for us tommorow and we need to seize TODAY.

BTW I am very outraged about how the media is handling this. I am very sure that people are unhappy to turn on their tv to see people jumping from skyscrapers and other horrific images. That what's CNN and HNN are for. Most of the coverage on main networks like CBS are not exactly PG ratings and are very inappropiate. Not to mention
the media showing every move the president makes and where he goes. Security, hello! :rolleyes:

Dejajeva 09-17-2001 01:39 PM

Well...
 
The first couple days I can understand the 24 hr coverage of the tragedies. But, six day's later and no SOAPS!
lol
Kidding, I don't even watch soaps. I stopped when Marlena was possessed. Anyways, I digress.

I do admit though I find myself sitting down to watch the news. I'm sill scared of what might happen, and I want to know what the president is doing as far as war goes. BUT-I'm ready to move on! I'm emotionally drained and I think everyone else is too, I can't take much more pain and suffering every single day.

Just to play devil's advocate, the news people ARE just doing their job, what they are paid to do. I think it's more societys' fault than it is their fault. We want to see it...for some reason, people like to see stories like this, upclose and personal...

My 2c!

I'm glad you guys agree with me!!!

Jessica

AlphaChiGirl 09-17-2001 02:02 PM

I'm feeling the same way. Personally, it's been hard for me to get on--it's upset me and shaken me deeply, the first thing I think about when I wake up, and the last thing I think about when I go to bed. I am really trying though.

I considered going home (to Florida) this weekend, but I realized that if I continue to let my life be disrupted, those madmen will have had at least one more small victory. Terrorism is not only designed to inflict violence, it's designed to disrupt lives. I'm enjoying going through with my day on a normal basis--as normal as can be expected.

The news stuff, etc., can stop. Are there any new breaking stories?

AOPiLaLa 09-17-2001 02:26 PM

I am glad I am not the only one who feels the media, while doing their job, is going overboard. I am begginning to feel they are dramatizing death. I went through a public tradgedy(my grandparents were killed on a commercial airline crash 2 years ago) and I, personally, would have not wanted to "share my story" of the first days after the crash. I know for some people it may be closure and I FULLY SUPPORT anything people need to do to heal, but when CNN and MSNBC are running numbers at the bottom with a "call us with your stories", I start to feel a little like I am watching a tabloid show. And is anyone else upset by the questions they are asking? Matt Lauer on the TODAY show this morning is asking a firefighter who has lost 2 brothers in the attack "Are you sad about the events of last week". I mean, COME ON--do you think he is happy??? If you don't have decent questions to ask, do not ask them!!
But I also agree that we need to celebrate life, each other, and our loved ones in these coming days, as well. Sitting in front of the TV(which I am so guilty of!) and watching the umpteenth hour of CNN coverage does not let people know you love them, nor does it do anything for your emotional well being. I think Carpe Diem should be a lesson through all of this--seize every chance to tell someone you love them.
I am now off my soap box, but I am so glad I am not the only one out there that has felt this way!
Lesley

DGPhoney 09-17-2001 02:41 PM

I agree with you all. It such a sad and tradgic event in US history, but I can't watch it any more on TV. It makes me feel guilty that I should be doing more, but really we can only do what we all have been trying to do,give blood,donate etc.. The only things left for us to do is wait for the President Bush to decide an act. It's so nerve racking to see detail for detail of all this .
My prayers and thoughts are with everyone to hope and sturggle to get through these times,to hope that one day things will be back to normal.
One and Much Love
DGPhoney

valkyrie 09-17-2001 11:49 PM

I respectfully disagree...
 
I have to say that I am thankful for all the news coverage, and I mean network coverage, because I don't have cable. I am glad that I can turn on my tv almost any time (although not so much anymore) and find out what is going on with all this tragedy. I'm not saying that I want to hear hype and trash journalism, but I want to hear updates. Perhaps I am more interested in these things because (1) I work for the federal government in a federal government building and (2) that building is somewhat tall, in downtown Chicago, and just blocks away from the Sears Tower. Because of this, I worry that I may be at or near future targets. If anything is developing, I want to know. Even if nothing is developing, I want to know that too, because then I feel a little better. (I do, however, think that they shouldn't be telling everyone where the president is, for example.)

Here's another important point that I think everyone is forgetting -- if you don't want to see the news, TURN OFF YOUR TV!!! I'm glad the coverage is there for those of us who want it. If you don't, go do something else. There will be a lot of news to come, and things probably won't be back to normal for many, many years, if ever.

SparkliiQTMTSU 09-18-2001 04:08 AM

I have enjoyed some of the news coverage, but only to a certain extent. I mean it got to te pint where everytime I would turn on the TV that's all that was on. It did get a bit tiring. The only thing that reallt bothered me was that everything they were saying ALL DAY was the same. Im just glad that they have gotten back to the regular TV programming! YAY Passions came on today! I do watch alot of the news reports on it still but I am glad theyve finally gotten back to the reguar TV programs. Them dwelling on what had allready happened as tragic as they are didn't help anything. Thats just my thoughts though.

Nichole

James 09-18-2001 10:52 AM

The media seems to be creating a new phenomena, overexposure and desensitization.

Its almost like therapy: We go from horror/denial to finally a dull acceptance.

When PRincess Dianna Died it was so over exposed that after the massive out pouring of Grief and millions in flowers a mere year later barely anyone came out for a memorial. Their grieving was done, and past done by TV. The media took it all from them.

So in some ways having to see it all the time lessens the impact as time goes on, like constantly being forced to confront fears and phobias.

Salience 09-18-2001 01:57 PM

I do think the networks, especially NBC, have gone on long enough. I don't think I'm becoming desensitized, I think news outlets are trying to keep us angry and hyped up so we want to get into the war that's looming. Why do we keep getting views of celebrations in certain countries? WHat good is that doing? It's making idiots like those who are attacking US mosques even angrier.

I mean, attacking the NOI mosque in Austin, TX? Come ON! :mad: :rolleyes:

33girl 09-18-2001 08:39 PM

James is right, we get pummelled with so much media coverage after a while no matter how horrid the incident it's like "thank you, drive through."

It is very different now than when President Kennedy was assassinated (the last event of this magnitude, IMO) - I remember hearing about a local station owner who couldn't take any more coverage of the funeral and went to a movie or something. He took a LOT of flack for that, but back then, his might have been the only station some people could get on TV. That's definitely not the case now. I can think of 4 all news channels off the top of my head, and many people get a lot more. Even if you don't have cable, there are constant news bulletins on radio stations when there are new developments (at least there have been here). The information is there if you need it.

I know the day or 2 after it happened I got on the bus with a magazine to read and felt guilty - like how can I look at clothes after this tragedy? But if we stop our lives, not only do the terrorists win, it dishonors the memory of the deceased. We should all live our lives TWICE as much, that's the best way to remember someone who has passed away.

cash78mere 09-18-2001 10:14 PM

I have to disagree.

I live 20 or so miles from NYC and an living and literally breathing this tragedy. We smelled and saw smoke for days after the disaster. There are 5 people missing from my small town alone and 40 missing parents from the school district I worked in last year. We are seeing, hearing and living this every minute of every day.

Honestly, I believe that most of us who are directly affected by this tragedy want to be kept updated. I don't care if my favorite shows aren't on right now. I know PEOPLE who are missing and probably dead. I know fathers, mothers and children who I will probably never see again. They are more important than anything.

This tragedy affected everything. It cannot be compared to Princess Diana's death or any other news story.

I want to hear and see everything I can until the last body is found. My life will go on, and it has been, but it won't recover for a long time.

People who aren't here just can't understand.

gphi2k 09-18-2001 10:42 PM

that's what cnn is for
 
As Brooklineu pointed out, being a Canadian forces you to have a little bit of a different perpspective simply for the reason that we're not in the country that was directly hit by this tragedy. HOWEVER. My whole family is American, and many of my cousins work in Manhattan. This tragedy has traumatized my parents who were born and raised in New York, before the towers were even built.

The fact is, and I know there are studies that can back me up (can't think of them now), that prolonged exposure to anything will desensatize you after a while. The first time we saw the footage, (many of us saw it live) of the planes hitting the towers, we gasped with disblief. It was horrifiying and hard to injest. I don't get that feeling when I see the footage anymore. It's a scene out of a movie that I've seen a million times. I feel horrible that I don't feel what I think I should feel when I see those planes slice through the buildings as if they were constructed out of paper rather than Steel. But instead of waiting for the week for the shock of the terrible tragedy to set in, I had 7 days of what would have been filled with denial (that's the first stage isn't it?) filled with the same terrible images over and over again, to the point where they no longer have the meaning they should.

The media is notorious for overreporting events. If you can tell me honestly that you get the same horrible pit in your stomach seeing that footage as the first, second and third and hundredth time you saw it, then I will revise my comment. You should NEVER see something as horrifying as that and not feel the full horror of it. But how many times can you see those news clips and still maintain the same level of pain?

I understand that there is a need to report the news and update people on what is going on, and how things are progressing. But as someone suggested, ticker tape would be suffient for updates, and CNN is there for the diehards. It's not about my shows being pre-empted or post-poned. I'm not quite that shallow. But at some point, browka, rather and kopel need some sleep!!!!!!!!!




valkyrie 09-18-2001 11:07 PM

Re: that's what cnn is for
 
Quote:

Originally posted by gphi2k


If you can tell me honestly that you get the same horrible pit in your stomach seeing that footage as the first, second and third time you saw it, then I will revise my comment.


I get the same horrible pit in my stomach seeing that footage, every time I see it. Every time.

Cash78mere, I am sorry that you are so close to NYC and have felt the horrible effects more than the rest of us. I can only imagine what that is like.

As a side note, not everyone has CNN. I don't, because I have always been sort of "morally" opposed to paying for television. However, there are also many, many people in our country who can't afford luxuries like cable, and they shouldn't have to miss out on news coverage if they want it.

This IS a huge, traumatic event that has changed our world. I personally want to know as much about the events, the "people" behind them and the results. I feel that is my duty as a citizen of this country -- to be informed and compassionate.

Dejajeva 09-18-2001 11:14 PM

you guys are missing the point.
 
I started the post to STOP the bitching, to put it BEHIND us, and to move past what's done and gone. You guys just took a particular comment about news and have gone on to rant about who's doing it right, who's doing it wrong, and who's doing it too much. I still get sick every time I see the plane crash into the WTC. I don't know anyone who doesn't, but I'm ready to move forward. I keep myself infront of the TV but I'm not there all the time. I think it's BAD for us to have so much coverage..I even think it's bad to talk about it as much as everyone does. I can't heal because nobody's letting me.

my 2 c.
Jess

gphi2k 09-18-2001 11:29 PM

just to clarify
 
I perhaps shouldn't have said I feel nothing when I see that footage. It was hyperbole. But I do feel that seeing it as much as I have has desensatized me somewhat. And I'm not the only one who feels that way. I cringe when I think about it more so than when I see it now.

I think the point I poorly made is simply that we can't go on seeing 24 hours of coverage anymore. It's important to be infomed. But it's also important to get on with your life and try not to give these people (and believe me, I use the term lightly) the air time they sought to take over. The image that keeps going on and on in my head is members of terrorist organizations sitting in front of their television screens celebrating their accomplishment, smiling at the network takeover they've been able to accomplish. That makes me sick to my stomach. The idea of letting them win by pre-empting our lives to watch what they accomplished, over and over...

newbie 09-19-2001 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cash78mere
I have to disagree.

I live 20 or so miles from NYC and an living and literally breathing this tragedy. We smelled and saw smoke for days after the disaster. There are 5 people missing from my small town alone and 40 missing parents from the school district I worked in last year. We are seeing, hearing and living this every minute of every day.

Honestly, I believe that most of us who are directly affected by this tragedy want to be kept updated. I don't care if my favorite shows aren't on right now. I know PEOPLE who are missing and probably dead. I know fathers, mothers and children who I will probably never see again. They are more important than anything.

This tragedy affected everything. It cannot be compared to Princess Diana's death or any other news story.

I want to hear and see everything I can until the last body is found. My life will go on, and it has been, but it won't recover for a long time.

People who aren't here just can't understand.

I completely agree with you and also Valkyrie. I don't care that all my fave TV shows, even baseball games till today, were cancelled - hell, i'm GLAD That they were. To have shows, and any form of entertainment going on while this tragedy is still taking place in the form of 5,000-still-missing-persons is just not right. I felt awkward when I tuned into The Simpsons at 11:00 last night. I just didn't feel in the mood to laugh or anything. I've loved the game of baseball ever since I can remember, and yet, baseball is NOTHING, absolutely nothing, compared to these WTC/Pentagon tragedies. This terrorist attack has really made me reevaluate what is truly important.

Cash78mere, and others who are directly affected, my heart and prayers go out to you. I know friends' loved ones who were in the WTC and also on Flight 93 - the one heading to San Francisco, which crashed into PA (thank God for those heroic passengers, who thwarted the hijackers' efforts, otherwise there would have been even MORE tragedy at the Capitol/White house/Camp David, etc.). Words can't even express how crushed I feel, and how my friends must feel...probably 100 times crushed. Everything's different when you actually know ppl who have died so suddenly and tragically.

I feel numb right now and am glad that the networks had enough respect for those who were tragically lost to postpone trivial TV shows. This has been the biggest event so far in my life and will probably be the most defining news event in my life. Hell, I'm even saving all the newspapers about the event just to be able to show my kids one day...to show them the magnitude of this event...how it affected so many...

THANK GOD for the NYPD and the FDNY....God bless them all, and others who helped in the effort.

curiouss 09-19-2001 01:15 AM

Alright, before this discussion turns into a debate and the debate turns into an arguement, we have to realize that people deal with things differently. Some people are comfortable with experiencing grief and emotion, others are escapists. There's not much of a right nor wrong way how to handle situations like this.

However, I still think that some of the coverage that are shown on the main networks are TOTALLY inappropiate for audiences, especially children.

zetagirly 09-19-2001 11:02 AM

I feel that considering this thread started not even A WEEK after the horrendous tragedy occurred, that it is completely insensitive. I understand the constant images are very very very hard to watch but this is the worst attack on American soil since 1812 and THOUSANDS of THOUSANDS of people are dead. And, not to mention the many many many more who in a few years will die of lung cancer, etc. from breathing in all the asbestos, fumes, etc.

I think some people who don't live around NYC or DC are being insensitive to us who do. Yes, I am all for escapism but who cares if soaps are being aired or not and I am disgusted that people are even making jokes.

I would think being in the mid west in the back of your mind you have a more sense of security that if these bastards bomb us etc, they are probably safe whereas the entire East Coast will be wiped out.

"Put this behind us" after a mere six days? This hasn't even begun to stop. There are plans for retaliation and we will attack and who knows when it will stop. Do you even know that September 22 is another day for possible hijackings/attacks? I think just because you are young and haven't been through a lot of the events us older people have gone through some of you need to realize that this war.

I personally turn on the Brady Bunch marathon if I want to escape the news am am happy to see the networks getting slowly back to normal but MY local news (I live in DC) is COMPLETELY different than your local news.

I think now that the shock is wearing off, people will feel WORSE for a few more days/weeks before they feel better. People are NOT feeling better yet and hearing people so insensitive makes me sick.

If this thread started two months after the attack that is one thing but it was started SIX days after and God forbid the Simpsons aren't on TV. Wow! I'm stunned.

dzrose93 09-19-2001 11:18 AM

I agree, cash78mere
 
Quote:

Originally posted by cash78mere
I have to disagree.

I live 20 or so miles from NYC and an living and literally breathing this tragedy. We smelled and saw smoke for days after the disaster. There are 5 people missing from my small town alone and 40 missing parents from the school district I worked in last year. We are seeing, hearing and living this every minute of every day.

Honestly, I believe that most of us who are directly affected by this tragedy want to be kept updated. I don't care if my favorite shows aren't on right now. I know PEOPLE who are missing and probably dead. I know fathers, mothers and children who I will probably never see again. They are more important than anything.

This tragedy affected everything. It cannot be compared to Princess Diana's death or any other news story.

I want to hear and see everything I can until the last body is found. My life will go on, and it has been, but it won't recover for a long time.

People who aren't here just can't understand.

Although I'm not in NY, I understand your perspective, cash78mere. This is the biggest tragedy in our lifetimes to date, and it makes perfect sense for the news to be covering it. People react to tragedy in different ways. Some NEED constant updates and others feel like 24/7 news coverage is just making things worse. I understand that.

However, I'm one of the people who needs the updates. My television hasn't moved from CNN in days. I couldn't care less about my favorite sitcoms that are usually on in the evenings. They are trivial fluff as far as I'm concerned. Maybe it's because I know several people who have been personally touched by the tragedy, maybe it's because I'm just more emotional than others, maybe it's because I have 3 younger brothers who are eligible for the draft should it come down to that --- who knows???

All I DO know is that having CNN on while I'm in the house, or an AM news station on while I'm in the car, is an absolute necessity at this point. My life hasn't stopped, I'm still running errands, going to work, cleaning the house, paying bills, etc. --- but the news stays on no matter what. I'm glad it's there. If it wasn't, I would be constantly wondering how the rescue efforts are going, how the hunt for the bastards who took part in this abomination is progressing, and how America is preparing for the long battle against terrorism.

Carrie

Dejajeva 09-19-2001 11:18 AM

Wow. Them's fightin words.
 
Okay, zetagirly. No, I am not stupid. Just because we see things in different perspectives doesn't mean I'm "f stupid". Furthermore, I don't really appreciate your horrible point of view on this entire thread. I wasn't suggesting that we discontinue to remember and grieve for those who lost their lives in last week's Tragedy. I WAS suggesting that there's only so many times I can watch a plane crash into a building, watch people jump out of it, and then watch it crumble. I can't deal with it anymore. I can't cry anymore and I can't physically stand it. I think your incredibly selfish, thinking that you (those in DC and NYC) are the only ones effected by it. Bull. This entire nation has been behind you guys 100 percent, sending you guys money and donating blood and goozooloes of other things. I don't even watch soaps! It was a illustration. I'm at school full time, work two full time jobs, have time to work on the show's we're working on, AND have time for the sorority. You tell me when I'm at home complaining that there's no soaps. . Don't call me f stupid when you don't even know me. This ISN'T a time to tear people apart. YOu of all people should know that.

Jess

Dejajeva 09-19-2001 11:25 AM

AND SOMETHING ELSE because now you've gone and me off.
 
"It's really easy to sit in the mid west and have in the back of your mind that if these bastards bomb us etc, they are probably safe whereas the entire East Coast will be wiped out"


is that?????? You think any of us feel safe? You think any of us are sitting pretty thinking to ourselves, 'oh it's okay, they only bomb the east coast'. OMG! I for one, (and I believe that I'll have agreement on this subject) am incredibly f offended by that comment.

I'm also offended by another comment.

I mean, honestly, college kids need to wake up and realize we're going to war?

You think we're all stupid? You put yourelf so high and mighty it makes me sick. We KNOW we're going to war and we're prepared for it. It's not just DC and NYC handling this situation. It's the ENTIRE WORLD, zetagirly. SO stop being a to everybody.

dzrose93 09-19-2001 11:29 AM

Dejajeva,

I'm going to ask you to please refrain from the comments you made in your last 2 posts in this thread. I understand that zetagirly's comments upset you, but I will remind you that we are all upset from the events of 9/11. It does absolutely no good for you to lash out. Your last comments were completely inappropriate. As a moderator, I'm asking you to calm down. Otherwise, I'll request this thread closed.

Carrie

zetagirly 09-19-2001 11:40 AM

I am sorry that I am so upset and I apologize for my harsh comments.

However, you started the thread with the following... "Is anyone else ready to put this behind them? "

I felt that was incredibly insensitive because these attacks are going to be felt around the world FOR YEARS and me being 30 years old I am somewhat appalled at the lack of sensitivity I am hearing from teenagers and young adults.

I really feel that worrying about rush and whether or not a certain badge on Ebay will be sold to a non member is completely irrevelant and it angers me when I hear people from other parts of this country being insensitive.

I am truly sorry that I am so upset. I really am. I also am reading greekchat.com for many reasons. One because I am trying to get back into my normal routine and two to seek comfort from people feeling the same things I am feeling.

Anyway, I will keep my comments to myself from now on and probably won't visit this site any more because I really can not bare it.

But, I will agree with people that the images of the planes crashing into the WTC are too much and thankfully we won't see them anymore. And, I wish my local stations would stop breaking away from TV and reporting that they have no further developments. This country is so on edge that anytime the news comes on, I am bracing myself for more devastation than what we endured on September 11th.

I hope people will realize that I am simply beside myself and I apologize for lashing out and I respect peoples opinions, even if they differ from mine and I wish everyone only the best.

ZetaAce 09-19-2001 12:22 PM

Hi people,

I realize that we all have emotions running high because of the recent tragedy. Fussing with each other is not the way to express yourself. So let's all try to keep our tempers at a dull roar and be respectful of each other. If you think that parts of your previous posts were inappropriate, please do us all a favor and edit your post to reflect that. Anymore, uncalled for comments after my message will be edited and/or deleted. Let's show some unity during this trying time.

Thanks,
ZetaAce


valkyrie 09-19-2001 12:29 PM

Zetagirly, I sort of understand how you're feeling. I say "sort of" because, being in Chicago, I have not experienced first-hand the tragic events the way those in NY and DC have. Although I am horrified by the recent tragedy and fearful for our future as a nation (and world) I can only imagine what it's like to be near the WTC and pentagon -- every day when I go downtown, I look at the Sears Tower and try to imagine what it would be like to see a pile of smoking rubble in its place. I can't really do it. I'm still struggling with the idea that our country is going to be at war for many years, and that every day we as American citizens are at risk of being attacked or harmed in ways that we can't imagine.

I wonder if this is party an age thing, because, like you, I am 30. Maybe at our age we take these things more seriously. I'm not making excuses, but I know that when I was in college and the Gulf War was going on, I remember feeling a little scared, but mostly felt that I was tucked away safely in a dorm and it wasn't that real to me. This is unfortunate, but probably not uncommon among young people. I know that when I was younger, I found routine to be very helpful -- for instance, when my grandmother passed away when I was in high school, all I wanted was to go back to school and have things be "normal" again. Now, I realize that, at least for me, just "moving on" is not the right thing to do. Now, it is more important to me to truly be informed and to know exactly what is going on and even to, in a very removed sort of way, feel the pain of those directly impacted. It is also important for me to recognize what is truly important in life, and that things that seemed really important last week are actually insignificant.

Please don't be sorry for being upset. You SHOULD be upset, as should we all. I hope you won't stop posting, because I can tell you that I truly value what you have had to say over the past few days, and would miss you if you leave.

curiouss 09-19-2001 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by zetagirly
I am sorry that I am so upset and I apologize for my harsh comments.

However, you started the thread with the following... "Is anyone else ready to put this behind them? "

I felt that was incredibly insensitive because these attacks are going to be felt around the world FOR YEARS and me being 30 years old I am somewhat appalled at the lack of sensitivity I am hearing from teenagers and young adults.

I really feel that worrying about rush and whether or not a certain badge on Ebay will be sold to a non member is completely irrevelant and it angers me when I hear people from other parts of this country being insensitive.

I am truly sorry that I am so upset. I really am. I also am reading greekchat.com for many reasons. One because I am trying to get back into my normal routine and two to seek comfort from people feeling the same things I am feeling.

Anyway, I will keep my comments to myself from now on and probably won't visit this site any more because I really can not bare it.

But, I will agree with people that the images of the planes crashing into the WTC are too much and thankfully we won't see them anymore. And, I wish my local stations would stop breaking away from TV and reporting that they have no further developments. This country is so on edge that anytime the news comes on, I am bracing myself for more devastation than what we endured on September 11th.

I hope people will realize that I am simply beside myself and I apologize for lashing out and I respect peoples opinions, even if they differ from mine and I wish everyone only the best.

Well, actually I wanted to put this behind me the day after it happened, I just about saw it all from the beginning. Maybe it's just me and a minority of people, we just don't like to dwell on negative and unpleasant things. I would do anything to distract myself, but I can't! Because, I am being reminded everywhere I go, from school to Greekchat to seeing flags everywhere. I just can't stomach all of this. If I lived in New York or DC I would get the devil out of there, or any big city.

And, on a entirely different note, this was NOT an attack, it was a RETALIATION from of nations who are sick of the US bullying them around.

Please respect people's different perspectives.

justamom 09-19-2001 12:48 PM

Each and every one of you have made legitimate comments. However, I am for all the coverage that I can get. If you really follow the story, you will realize that each day more information is released and the implications are growing faster than people can
comprehend. Bush is trying to get us used to the fact that in order to win (if that is even possible) we will pay with the lives of our service men and women. There most likely will be more civilians lost as terrorists continue to threaten our safety, our sense of freedom. We MUST be reminded that a very real danger exists each and every day. There are THOUSANDS of people who would see you dead merely because you are an American. Yes, go about your daily routine and yes, look ahead. (or else they really have won) However, it was that false sense of secutity that led us to this point. We are at war. It doesn't matter that a single shot hasn't been fired by us. There are "cells" all over this world. We have sleepers in our midst. We are at risk for biological attacks. Young men and women are being deployed at this very minute. If WE as AMERICANS lose our fury, and our indignation softens, what can we expect of the coalition we are trying to build? This was an attack on you and me and everyone who believes in FREEDOM! When you feel like you need a break, turn it off-rent a movie-turn to any multitude of viewing choices. Just remember at least you HAVE that freedom, and so many other "freedoms" as well. I pray God keeps you and yours safe. I thank God for the bravery of the men and women who serve our country in ANY capacity. Most of all, I pray for our future.

cash78mere 09-19-2001 01:11 PM

Don't go Zetagirly!
 
Zetagirly-

Please don't leave us! This site drives me crazy too sometimes, so now I just post when I feel a strong need to. Please continue to shower us with your opinions! They are definitely wanted! :)

dzrose93 09-19-2001 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by curiouss


And, on a entirely different note, this was NOT an attack, it was a RETALIATION from of nations who are sick of the US bullying them around.

I hope that you really don't believe that comment you made. How could anyone possibly think that those brutal, immoral acts were not attacks? Over 5,000 INNOCENT CIVILIANS were MURDERED by savage animals who don't even deserve the label "human beings." If this was a retaliation by a group of people who feel wronged by America as you seem to believe, then it should have been directed to our military --- NOT INNOCENT PEOPLE. Please tell me what my sorority sister Alicia Titus - a flight attendant on United Airlines Flight 175 - EVER did to deserve what you call "retaliation?"

curiouss 09-19-2001 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by dzrose93


I hope that you really don't believe that comment you made. How could anyone possibly think that those brutal, immoral acts were not attacks? Over 5,000 INNOCENT CIVILIANS were MURDERED by savage animals who don't even deserve the label "human beings." If this was a retaliation by a group of people who feel wronged by America as you seem to believe, then it should have been directed to our military --- NOT INNOCENT PEOPLE. Please tell me what my sorority sister Alicia Titus - a flight attendant on United Airlines Flight 175 - EVER did to deserve what you call "retaliation?"

You took my post the wrong way. Not in ANY way did ANYONE deserve this as individuals nor their loved ones. But, as a nation we have done some other nations wrong. And they retaliated, it was their intention to bring us down to our knees, unfortunately harming innocent civilians. They were definately attacks, but not unprovoked. We need to make peace with who ever did this, not war! If so, I believe that this recent tragedy will be the tip of the iceberg if they decide to attack us again.

valkyrie 09-19-2001 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by curiouss


You took my post the wrong way. Not in ANY way did ANYONE deserve this as individuals nor their loved ones. But, as a nation we have done some other nations wrong. And they retaliated, it was their intention to bring us down to our knees, unfortunately harming innocent civilians. They were definately attacks, but not unprovoked. We need to make peace with who ever did this, not war! If so, I believe that this recent tragedy will be the tip of the iceberg if they decide to attack us again.

Okay, let me get this straight. You're saying that the USA has wronged other nations. We provoked the attacks. We need to make peace.

First of all, by saying the attacks were provoked, you are blaming the victim. This is just wrong. Nothing could justify such mass murder and horror. This is also dangerous logic, the same logic that says that a woman in a short skirt deserved to be raped, that she "asked for it" and provoked it. Wrong, wrong and wrong.

This is NOT the time to make peace with these "people," I am sorry to say. That would be providing positive reinforcement to them. That would be teaching them that they can get what they want by murdering innocent people. This will teach them: oh, we want to get the U.S. to take us seriously and make peace with us, so all we need to do is murder a bunch of their people. Wrong again.

Finally, IMHO, there is no opportunity for peace. These people don't want peace. They want Americans dead. They want YOU dead, if you are an American. You. They would kill you right now if they had the chance.

On a side note, if you want some information on the people you would have us make peace with, check out

http://rawa.fancymarketing.net/index.html

to see that the Taliban is PURE EVIL. They have been torturing and killing people in their own country. Negotiate with that? Make peace with that? I don't think so.

curiouss 09-19-2001 02:42 PM

Let me say this again, no one deserved this. What I said above was more of an explanation. And, that was my opinion, that may or may not be true.

:confused: Who's Taliban? :confused:

valkyrie 09-19-2001 02:59 PM

Here are links to descriptions of the Taliban, which is basically a fundamentalist Islamic group that has taken over almost all of Afghanistan and is hosting bin Laden as a "guest":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/wor...000/144382.stm

http://www3.cnn.com/WORLD/9610/05/taleban/

The link I provided in my earlier post highlights some things that the Taliban has done, which is where the problems lie, IMHO.

I suppose the great thing about forums like this is that we can all post our opinions even if we disagree. Cheers.

IowaHawkeye 09-19-2001 02:59 PM

If you don't even know who the Taliban is, then you are VERY behind in your US Foreign Policy/ Politics and in my opinion, have no support for your argument that this was retaliation instead of an attack. Though unrecognized by all but 3 nations (Pakistan recognizes them) the Taliban is the current ruling party of Afganistan - they are extremists and they do follow the jihad mentality toward the United States.

Dejajeva 09-19-2001 06:35 PM

Okay, first of all...
 
Okay, I'll refrain from being harsh, but in all brutal honesty, Zeta's the one who started with the f words and calling us stupid.

I am also completely offended by the statement that because we're young we don't take this as seriously as you do because your 30. How do you know?? I know some 30 and 40 year olds that completely don't care. Not in the least. Yet, I see 19 and 20 year olds signing up for the military. You tell me that we don't care when we're flying flags at our apts and on our cars...

Dont tell ME I don't care because I'm ninteen, because unlike so many, I cared about our country BEFORE these attacks. 4th of July for me wasn't a good excuse to eat bbq, it MEANT something.

PS- I'll refrain from commenting on your midwest comment except to say that I'd consider Penn, where the plane crashed, the midwest, so It's just as likely to happen in the midwest as it is out east.

One more thing-

I'm not saying that I don't care about the news coverage. I propose they go back to regular scheduling until they have something to report that I haven't heard 50 thousand times over again. It's constant, debate over the SAME subjects that have been debated two hours ago. That's what upsets me. I'm all for interuptions when something actually newsworthy goes on. We ALL know the wtc's collapsed, we ALL know who did it, we ALL know the US needs to be patient, we ALL know we're eventually going to retaliate, we ALL know there are a million police and firefighters out there working their asses off...We KNOW THIS ALREADY!

my2 c.

Jess

PS-Zetagirly, don't leave. I do apologize for my harsh comments, I just find that this all upsets me a great deal and for my own excuse, I was dumped in an email ten seconds before I replied.

Sorry.

Jessica.

Tom Earp 09-19-2001 06:51 PM

Some What A Time To Chill
 
While we all want to be kept updated, IT IS the time to move on! We as Americans NO matter what Race, Color, and Creed are all greiving!

I have not heard from Brothers who I have E-M to. I have gotten confirmations of those that are!

Right now, there is a lot of hate going around, and We do not need to perpetuate this same hate!

We are a very special group of people no matter how and what out situation is! We all hurt from someone vialating us as a Country not asIndividuals as we are all from all over the world!

We as we are are BIGGER than Them!
I would love to turn them into dust, and it make come to that.

Please let it not come to that or we may have more on our hands than we want!

DGPhoney 09-19-2001 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by zetagirly
I am sorry that I am so upset and I apologize for my harsh comments.

However, you started the thread with the following... "Is anyone else ready to put this behind them? "

I felt that was incredibly insensitive because these attacks are going to be felt around the world FOR YEARS and me being 30 years old I am somewhat appalled at the lack of sensitivity I am hearing from teenagers and young adults.

I really feel that worrying about rush and whether or not a certain badge on Ebay will be sold to a non member is completely irrevelant and it angers me when I hear people from other parts of this country being insensitive.

I am truly sorry that I am so upset. I really am. I also am reading greekchat.com for many reasons. One because I am trying to get back into my normal routine and two to seek comfort from people feeling the same things I am feeling.

Anyway, I will keep my comments to myself from now on and probably won't visit this site any more because I really can not bare it.

But, I will agree with people that the images of the planes crashing into the WTC are too much and thankfully we won't see them anymore. And, I wish my local stations would stop breaking away from TV and reporting that they have no further developments. This country is so on edge that anytime the news comes on, I am bracing myself for more devastation than what we endured on September 11th.

I hope people will realize that I am simply beside myself and I apologize for lashing out and I respect peoples opinions, even if they differ from mine and I wish everyone only the best.


True a major tragedy has happened in our country but like many other tragedy's we can not DWELL on the situation. Yes we all know what has happened and what has yet to happened, but we can not stop our lives and our everyday actions. By "Moving on" I don't think we are being insensitive. I personally would rather move on, then sit and dwell everyday of the friends and family I lost and the friends and family other people have lost!AS sensitivity dealing with age, thats Way off topic and pointless!
Secondly no one said, how pressed or displeased that their"favorite shows" weren't on TV the day of the Attack on the US. People are more pressed the media is playing off of the Attack, there are rumors and all sorts of false media that has been issued since day one of the attack. By watching countless hours upon hours of News and other related features , helps the situation how...... It doesn't! By other "younger" members of gc posting their threads on rush or what have u, is one of the purposes of Greekchat. Not all of us deal with a major tragedy the same way, some people put it in the back of their mind, others discuss and relate to it in everyway. But either way we deal with , but in our own way and I find that far from being insensitive!
DGPhoney~

curiouss 09-19-2001 08:03 PM

Well said, Ms. DGP. :)

curiouss 09-19-2001 08:12 PM

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Originally posted by IowaHawkeye
If you don't even know who the Taliban is, then you are VERY behind in your US Foreign Policy/ Politics and in my opinion, have no support for your argument that this was retaliation instead of an attack. Though unrecognized by all but 3 nations (Pakistan recognizes them) the Taliban is the current ruling party of Afganistan - they are extremists and they do follow the jihad mentality toward the United States.
Ok, I didn't know what the Taliban was. But, that dosen't mean that I don't know how the we (the US) through our weight around. Some of you guys are ALSO VERY behind in US foreign policy/Politics.
I belive the reason why they destroyed the WTC is to mess up our economy, if it was their agenda they should have done it like 3 am or something.


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