Sororities NOT upholding Alcoholess Mixing
 

It is my recent experience that many of the sororities which have adopted/approved the Panhellenic resolution regarding alcohol NOT being present at social functions held with fraternities are in some cases giving nothing but lip service to these policies.

Instead, these groups are requesting that the fraternities help to circumvent the policies by NOT listing all the sorority members when registering these events (as required) with the university. This, apparently, is done in an effort to avoid "proof" that these chapters are indeed mixing exclusively with a given fraternity. The fraternities are told by the sorority social chairs, that if the fraternity lists the actual membership of the sorority without numerous random names (people who will not actually be invited) that the mixer can't happen.

I have personally challenged sorority advisors to go to the local photagrapher that takes pictures at all the mixers, and look at the numerous beer cans, drinks, etc that are not only present, but in the hands of their members. Each has told me that they'd "rather not,"

We as a fraternity do not have policies against alcohol at social functions, and are willing to respect those of these groups, but we are being disincented from doing so.

What gives? I don't expect many women to come forward and say, "we ignore the rules too." What about advisors and national officers out there? Don't ask me to rat them out. I have gone directly to chapter advisors with no results.

Brad

Hmmm I don't know if involving the media is such a good idea. I'm not sure what to say because the int'l sororities abide by the alcohol policies at my campus.
If it is like you say that all the sororities on campus are doing this then maybe there needs to be an intervention by university officials. A shape-up-or-ship-out mentality to all the members that are breaking the rules. If this fails then i geuss you know what to do. What are the other fraternities saying/doing about this?

KapSig1--

Unfortunately, while all NPC groups have implemented some form of alcohol-free housing policies, many chapters ignore them for the reason that many fraternities still aren't alcohol free. The strictest alcohol free housing policy says that sororities may only mix with those groups who are also alcohol free. In this instance, you may not be able to mix with ANYONE on campus if none of the alcohol free fraternities exist on your campus. The middle policy says that sororities will not mix with fraternities in their fraternity house with alcohol present. They can certainly mix OUTSIDE the fraternity house. The most lenient policy supports those fraternities who are supposed to be alcohol free, but have no restrictions on their mixing activities.

My feeling on this is that sometimes, on a campus where you have the sororities that fall into the most lenient policy, they can mix freely with fraternities in their houses, as long as that fraternity isn't an alcohol free one. Therefore, other sororities, to stay competitive in recruitment, break the rules to "have fun", and look fun to those who will rush. It's unfortunate, but HQ's cannot be police in this situation. We have to trust the chapters to implement the policy. Chapters should be aware though that if they are not following the alcohol free housing policy and something happens, it is highly likely they will lose their insurance coverage for not following policy. This is enough to scare some into doing it...others just are in a different environment.

In my own sorority, the only change the alcohol free housing policy made was saying we couldn't have our mixers in the fraternity houses. This means that we can mix at restaurants and bars, clubs, halls and all of those other places.

I do know that fraternities that are supposed to be alcohol free housed are not following their own policies as well. It's a shame, because I believe that the men should be afforded the opportunity to live in an alcohol free environment, as NPC sororities do, but such is some of the fraternity mentality that exists.

Hope this makes a little sense.

Heather

First off NWIH would we have ever let an outside photographer into one of our mixers...what is the deal with that?

From what I have seen on a relatively outside level, it seems like this policy was very rushed and not explained well (if you go back and look at some of the threads on this same topic). Plus, I don't know what other sororities did, but for us I know the collegians had no input whatsoever on this topic. It was just decided by national HQ and that was the end of the story. At least with the fraternities that go dry, there was lots of discussion, but I think that was missing here. This is a major change for collegians and all the pros and cons need to be thought out, not just pushing the policy through for PR purposes.

I really don't understand why the groups with the facilities policy passed it that way...it just seems like setting yourself up for problems in rush and at smaller schools where there may not be any alcohol-free fraternities. The functions policy is fine.

Unfortunately 33, many groups just made a policy and told their collegiate members to follow it. Delta Phi Epsilon formed a task force of 12 members, 6 undergraduates and 6 alumnae. We went to St. Louis for a weekend and hammered out our policy. I can say that all of our undergraduates voted in favor of the policy that we passed. All sisters were given the opportunity to join the Task Force at Convention by applying.

Sigma Kappa actually had their delegates vote on the issue at their convention, and they remain in the most lenient tier. Just goes to show what happens in different circumstances. It's unfortunate that some groups did not include their collegiate members in making policy.

So much for female empowerment :rolleyes: Sorry, but things like this make me cranky.

Yes, there's definitely a problem when policies are mandated by Nationals in a draconian fashion without any input from the collegiate members. My own chapter experienced several shocks when, without warning, several aspects of our social freedom were suddenly suspended or drastically altered. Keep in mind that we were NEVER a risk management problem and they never even alleged that we were. They were just so darn over cautious. And many of the restrictions were the brainchild of our Regional Advisor and were much stricter than anything Nationals was advocating. :rolleyes:

Their restrictions ended up having the opposite effect, because even our Exec Board felt betrayed and actually worked to circumvent a lot of the rules. When I was social chair, I was instructed to plan socials with fraternities and we would sponsor a bar tab by writing a check to the bar for "food", "entertainment" or a "security deposit" that we would never ask to be returned. :eek: Obviously a MAJOR violation of all kinds of rules.

In the end, I think that the National Organizations need to not only realize that they need to include collegians in the process if they expect them to comply with new rules, but also that part of the reason (a big part!) that many people go greek is that IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN!

No offense against canned food drives, flag football tournaments, and embroidered T-shirts, but my favorite sorority memories center around fun things I did with my sisters. Not that it's limited to "going out" or "drinking" but when you tell college students that they can't do certain activities just because they're greek, then you get resentment, and even though any alcohol related activities are such a minor part of greek life, when they are taken away or sharply restricted, it is a big deal.

Being greek is supposed to promote leadership and help you mature as a person and a loyal friend. So many of these policies seem to undermine that development of maturity. We are all adults but when we are told that "you can't do that because we don't trust you to handle yourself properly" it sends a very condescending message. :mad:

From my own experience, being greek taught me how to treat alchohol responsibly. I was NEVER forced to drink. On the contrary it was just available when we went out or to socials and date functions. It was never a big deal and no one cared if someone didn't want to drink. My sisters watched out for me, especially as a new member, and would make sure we didn't drink too much and always had safe rides home.

This is a much better situation than the GDI freshman girls who I saw at fraternity parties or clubs. They were usually alone or with only 1 friend or just a few. Rarely the close relationship or caring "watchful eye" that I had from my sisters. These girls would get sooooo drunk and have trouble making decisions. The guys could really take advantage if they wanted to. Plus, just imagine how many classes missed and toilets hugged from the hangovers. For sure, the best way to learn about alchohol is not by yourself!

...OK, I've said enough and my soapbox is in danger of collapsing...

G8Ralphaxi

Just to clarify: Alpha Xi Delta's AF policy was adopted by overwhelming resolution of the voting membership (the majority of which are collegiate chapter presidents) after a lengthy discussion at the 1999 National Convention which (again) was dominated by collegiate women. It was not a "top-down" policy, and I was and am very proud of the stand we took and how we got there. It wasn't a risk management issue for us, so much as a statement of support for those men's fraternities that had elected to eliminate alcohol from their chapter facilities (which is why we have the form of policy we do -- facilities, not functions).

While I can respect the decision of Alpha Xi Delta to have such a strong policy on alcohol free housing, I question the fact that under a facilities policy, they limit the groups which the sorority can mix with and have events with, alcoholic or not. The policy basically is that anyone in this "facilities" tier will not co-sponsor functions with any fraternity whose facilities aren't alcohol free. Now, that leaves the three groups in that area with about 11 fraternities to have activities with. Currently, only the following fraternities have alcohol free housing policies in place:

Alpha Kappa Lambda, Delta Sigma Phi, Delta Upsilon, FarmHouse, Kappa Delta Phi, Phi Delta Theta, Phi Gamma Delta, Phi Kappa Sigma, Phi Kappa Theta, Sigma Nu and Theta Chi.

So that everyone is aware of where their groups stand, the following is the NPC sororities and their policy tier.

Facilities policy - meaning will co-sponsor event in fraternity facility only if the fraternity facility is alcohol free: Alpha Xi Delta, Kappa Kappa Gamma and Pi Beta Phi

Functions policy - meaning will co-sponsor event in fraternity facility only if the function is alcohol free: AXO, ADPi, AEPhi, AGD, AOII, Alpha Phi, ASA, XO, Tri Delta, DG, D Phi E, DZ, Gamma Phi Beta, Theta, KD, Phi Mu, Tri Sigma, Theta Phi Alpha and ZTA.

Support policy - meaning will support co-sponsorship of alcohol free functions in fraternty facilities: AST, Phi Sig, SDT, SK.

Hope this helps explain where these policies stand. I also have listings of all of the college panhellenics who have passed a policy, as well as those campuses who have passed a policy for their entire campus. If anyone's interested in knowing that, feel free to email me, and I can provide you with that list.

I understand the frustration Kapsig1 is feeling. It was my last semster when our campus began the NPC reslution and it was hard. It is difficult to change things after they had been great up to that point and we committ and then want the old days back.

I do laugh when many chapter women try to say that their chapter doesn't have such tight regulations but is it just me or do we all have the same or similiar insurance so don't we all have similiar rules and regulations?

At ECU it was hard when we started because we have many socials a week and now fraternities had to fundraise to rent a third party vendor...I think they have been doing a good job so far, but not 100% sure.

My sorority has strict policies regarding alcohol, and I believe all the other NPC sororities on campus do too. Since we have a dorm dedicated to sorority housing, our dorm is technically supposed to be alcohol-free. It so isn't though.

I agree with what someone said about some sororities not being as strict, so the others will break the rules just be competitive in recruitment.

It really bothers me that some chapters on my campus get caught and punished for relatively minor offenses, yet I see others violating the rules ALL THE TIME, and they never get caught. :rolleyes:

I totally sympathize with your fustration. It seems like my chapter is trying so hard not to get in any trouble yet the orgs on campus who don't care at all don't get in trouble EVER. UGH!! Visiting fraternities at the school on the other side of town (lehigh) has become a huge drama for us, since we're not supposed to do it anymore. It would be such a help if the other orgs who aren't following similar alcohol policies would be smart and not put us in an awkward position...like that'll ever happen.

Sorority relations here really bore me because...not just alcohol, they can't do hardly anything. A friend of mine kissed a guy not her boyfriend while in public because she was a lil tipsy and she got into so much trouble for it. Rules Rules Rules.

Pretentious Society has murdered old fashion fun.

I mean, it makes us look good, but at the cost of having fun. Not that I, or anyone I needs the brew to have fun...Believe me, I don't...but the availibility of choice makes the whole damn thing so much more care-free. We went to a dry campus because of two fraternities put on probation every year since I've been here, but they get more shit than they deserve, they often get in trouble for not flushing when they're finished.

So all these rules imposed on us makes having a good time, 'getting loose' with girls at sorority functions virtually impossible...

Drinking policies are crazy. The sororties that could not drink at our social functions just went with us else were and just "hung out" so they could drink. There are ways around everything.

In response to SSS and ZTA posts, the only way the policies are going to work is if you talk amongst your panhellenic about the policies everyone has. You guys are totally right, it's not fair that some people choose to ignore their policy and are getting off scot free. For any of these policies to truly work, panhellenics will have to abide by their policies and make sure everyone is on an even playing field. I'm not saying to rat out other orgs, but if we're all greek together, then working together to accomplish the implementation of policy will be good for all sororities.

In response to SigmaChiCard, a girl got in trouble for kissing a guy in public while tipsy? DAMN! Now if that were the case at my school and chapter, we'd all be in trouble. Those folks need to ease up a bit :) But with regards to the alcohol free initiative, NPC sororities are SUPPORTING NIC fraternities who have chosen to go alcohol free. We didn't put these policies into place to restrict anyone from drinking. We did it so that those fraternities who chose this route would have the support of NPC and its member groups. Imagine if you will being the only dry fraternity on your campus, and having to compete to get sororities to mix with you because you can't do it in your house. It would pretty much suck for them...by NPC groups passing a policy, we hope to alleviate some of that suckage, for lack of a better term. And since NPC houses have always been alcohol free, at least those owned and run by sororities, it's not a change in their sorority house life...just where they mix. Of course, it affects those who aren't of age to drink, but what can you do?

Most campuses have gone dry over the past couple of years. This means that if a fraternity were to have a party that involves serving alcohol they must register the party with the University. Everyone gets carded by a police officer before walking in and they must sign an attendance sheet. It's a little annoying. Especially when you're standing outside your boyfriend's fraternity house in a looooong line in the freezing cold. But, it makes school and fraternity less liable in case something were to happen to the individual.

share, compare, learn, ect.
 

My sorority is not an NPC but we concider our alcohol policy to be strict. I'm alum now so I'll share what I remember and ask you to clarify a little bit of yours with me.

• We have alcohol free housing
  
• Any event with alcohol must be 3rd party vendor
  
• Each event must be voted on by the chapter by the chapter seperately and the names recored in the minutes.
  
• There must be an alcohol education event the semester it is to take place and only those who attend and are of legal age may drink

[p]First what does co-sponsoring mean does that mean financially or does that mean just being invited. Also are there rules on where that can and can't be held. For example some fraternities around here have field parties. Since these are not in the fraternity facility does that mean the sorority could co-sponsor it.

[p] Also I can't tell the difference between the Support policy and the Functions policy.
[p]
[B]Functions policy - meaning will co-sponsor event in fraternity facility only if the function is alcohol free
[p][B]
Support policy - meaning will support co-sponsorship of alcohol free functions in fraternty facilities
[p]
The other question is these rules mention co-sponsoring do they also apply to events with members only or other situations?

alcohol policies
 

I am an Alpha Xi on a small campus that is dry, and I will tell you that this new rule has really put a damper on our social life. When I was pledging I went to mixers in fraternity houses and I had such a blast. Little did I know they would be my last. Since this rule has come into effect, we hardly ever have mixers with anyone, nor do fraternities want to because of the pain to do something outside of the house. We live in a rural-type area, and there aren't any places for us to mix at. Therefore, we don't get to have all the fun that we used to. My boyfriend is a fraternity member, and I am current sweetheart of their house. Many of my sisters date his brothers so there are many of us down there independently all the time. But now, because of this rule, if there are three of us there at one time it can be considered a sorority function and the entire sorority can be written up. It is not fair! Who says I can't, or someone else can't go see thier boyfriend if they want to? It's ridiculous. All we seem to do anymore is do philanthropy work. Going out and having fun together is a thing of the past now that this rule is in effect because we have no where to go. This campus is dry, but I am aware that people still sneak alcohol into their rooms, etc. This is practically impossible to control. Why does this rule apply to us if we have a dry campus?

I also want to say though that as an executive board member I met with representatives from our nationals and I know why we have this strict policy. Policies like this one are made because something bad happened somewhere else and this rule protects something from happening somewhere else, and the legal issues that come along with it. I understand all this, but I guess I don't understand why it makes a difference on a dry campus like mine. I mean, we had to call Nationals and ask permission to go over to their house to held bulid our homecoming float in the basement. What is going on here?:(

I do feel for you since you live in a rural place, but are you sure AXD regualtions were not similiar to this prior to the resolution?

That has always been my issue with this...all the groups at my school had more srtict regualtions than the NPC resolution and still felt betrayed....why was no one following the rules from the begining?

On my old campus it just made us more aware of what we were taking for granted and I think by now it isn't a big deal...but we have a whole downtown area to use for 3rd party vendors.

Good Luck, maybe someone will see the market for a place to host mixers and start up a business...we can always hope!

Until this select 2000 jazz all started, all our policy said was "An ASA will follow state and local laws with regard to alcoholic beverages." In other words, 21's could drink anytime, co-sponsored function or not. If we would have been in Canada, we could have all drank. So we WERE following the rules by having mixers & restricting underagers from drinking. I don't know about the groups at your school, but I had assumed most groups had similar wording.

The reason this policy has met with such resistance at rural schools (and I DEFINITELY went to a rural school) is that there is rarely anyplace to hold events. I mean, we had the Moose hall, 3 hotels, and 4 bars. The bars are NOT going to give up a night's revenue for a private party (unless Bill Gates is throwing it) and the hotels are far too expensive to rent every week, unless it's for a special occasion like a formal. We just plain DO NOT have the funds for this sort of party - I mean, we had to scrape $$ together just to pay our dues. This policy is very unfair to chapters that don't have a lot of $$$ (which goes for most of the state schools up here) because even though the nationals can swear up and down "we're not mandating prohibition," when they pass policies that many chapters find impossible to follow, they are doing just that.

And I just want to say that "3 sisters is an event" thing is bullsh!t. Period. That seriously treads on freedom of association rights, IMO.

I understand the issue with being in a rural area, but AZD was at ECU and if I am correct we all had similar polices.

I know it is expensive, but I would assume an accident at a private place would be more to deal with in the long run...plus our groups do not pay, it is the fraternity that does.

Allowing college women to drink at private houses could have serious implications down the road...and has at some schools. Not to mention insurance would be hard to use if the chapter put the event together and something happend and then the sorority would be to blame b/c no company would cover such an event with so many uncontrolable factors.

kristi--

I know what you mean about being in a rural area, but there are some ideas out there to help rural campuses. If your campus is truly interested in helping with these policies, band together your sororities and try to get a local business to be somewhere that you can have mixers. I know that one campus banded together and found a cheap bus company, and as long as all greeks only use their bus company, they get this ridiculously discounted rate. They found local businesses who were willing to allow them to use their facility earlier in the evening, then opening up the facility to the general public around 11 pm. They also decided that having less mixers, but more elaborate mixers would alleviate some of the cost. So they do a lot of four packs and six pack mixers, so that with more organizations, they can pay less for the mixer.

As for the "three sisters makes a co-sponsored function", look at it this way. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's going to be thought to be a duck. When someone sees a fraternity having a party and 2/3s of XYZ sororoity are there, people assume that the sorority is co-sponsoring, even if they aren't. By having these "numbers" in place, some groups feel they will be protecting themselves from liability.

I hope things get better for you :)

Well, here is the way I look at that. We only had co-sponsored mixers on Thursdays or occasionally Wednesdays. That fact was known to the whole campus. Friday and Saturday if fraternities had parties, they were ALWAYS open or guest list. I mean, half our chapter practically lived at the Crow house, but no independent would ever go down there on Friday and say "Oh, there are many ASA's here...I guess this is an ASA-Crow mixer." People knew better than that.

Maybe holding co-sponsored parties to a certain night would alleviate that? I mean, people hang out with who they hang out with, and like Kristi, I think it's unfair to penalize people for wanting to hang out with their friends. If your friends are all at a party at XYZ, that's where you will want to go, and it DOESN'T mean you have to/plan to drink. We had several sisters who came down to Crows with us regularly and didn't drink anything other than pop the whole evening.

Lexi - re the fraternities paying instead of the sororities, they don't have the $$ either. We would all have loved to be able to go to the Loomis and close it for private parties every week, but we (the whole system "we") simply could not afford it.

Thanks for all the advice everyone, but I don't think we're even allowed to have things in bars. It goes with our school policies too. We had an informal at an Elks lodge and we thought we followed all the rules (3rd party vendor, etc.) but we got in trouble with the school and Nationals about some thing we did wrong. I'm not exactly sure what it was because I was not in Exec. and I was not involved with chapter life, but we got written up just the same. It's almost like we're not allowed to have alcohol at our events at all anyways. That I think has more to do with the school. We have no hotels in town to hold things at. The major problem is that many of the fraternities don't want to have things outside their house or go off campus. Banding together with other sororities would be nice but I think all the other ones on campus don't have to follow this policy so they don't care. Policies like this were in effect, just more about National (USA) laws. This legislation is new b/c I read about it in an issue of our sorority's national magazine last year. I wish I could tell you more about the situation but I'm not Chapter Life so I can't tell you the rules in detail off the top of my head. There are A LOT of details.

Well, all that can differ from campus to campus but as long as we have food and nonalcholic drinks available we are ok with the club issue. I am sure some risk mgmt polices include a food to beverage sales ratio as well, I think that was ZTA and AOPi b/c they follow FIPG...is that right?

We have a birthday list, guest list, time limit, and wrist bands as well, it worked at my school...not a dry campus!

Good Luck!

I am a member of a sorority as well as a photographer for an aforementioned company who services fraternities/sororities. When I first began my job I was non affiliated and my job became my opportunity to view organizations actions. Over the past 2 years, the rules have gotten extremely tight which not only limits myself as a member of a Greek organization but also of a manager of a thriving company who wants business to continue.

The rules put in place by Pan-Hel, were all decided by it's members. There was no governing body above it mandating what it should do. The rules are especially strict here at my school, with devastating consequences if broken. Yet...every weekend I have a photographer at a non-registered event that could inevitably contribute to the loss of the charter of an organization.

Good for my business....but I wonder if I have room for a conscience. Many sororities on this campus are on report, about to be on probation/suspended, and even looking at their chartering being revoked. The rules are clear...if you want to party, do it the "right" way. And I would almost bet there are only 2 events a month that are done the "right" way.

Maybe the rules were established to save the Greek community's image. Maybe no one has any intention of following them, but..they are the rules and they do carry stiff results if broken. At some point or another we've all done something illegal and gotten away with it. The more we get away will speeding..the more we speed and the more we think we just can't get caught. That was the truth here at JMU for a while...now. EVERYONE is getting caught. Instead of taking your chances and trying to "beat the system" It would probably be wise to sit back and let things settle down a little.

We can all have a good time, but I wouldn't want the Greek system to fall here because of something my group did. When you get in trouble...face the consequences and do better next time. We're supposed to be top examples of our organizations! Let's show everyone that we're not prudes, but we can be mature and responsible and not live up to the "typical Greek view" held by most non Greeks.

There isn't alcohol at our mixers if they're on campus. However, if off campus, at a location that regularly serve alcohol, those who are **21 and up** can have alcohol. If they choose to do so, they must pay for it ON THEIR OWN (i.e. not using any of our funding to pay for the drinks). And YES, they are CARDED, because it would only be at a public place such as a restaurant, etc, and they CAN*NOT* wear letters while doing so (not even a mixer t-shirt with our letters on it).

Not sure, things may have changed...but AOII had a policy even in 1994 that in order to have alcohol present a function had to be at a liscensed insured 3rd party establishment. However, if you were at a rural school and could establish that there were too few 3rd party establishments the chapter could get a waiver (this would impede on our ability to have mixers and could effect numbers). I know b/c it happened to my chapter. We had never given any thought to that policy (well we kinda ignored it b/c all the other orgs did too) until a consultant was down during Homecoming. We almost got in a lot of trouble, but she decided to help us get an emergency waiver instead.

So those that go to rural schools may want to check and see if their org offers some kind of waiver as well.

Jade, at my school, we did have under the table mixers that were not OK with our national guidlines. I speak generally, KD did not do this, we were a brand new chapter and had a national officer living with us the entire time. BUT I was on PH and I knew of many private parties in apartments or houses, no 3rd party vendors. I would like to see what happens when they do get caught.

PH has no control at my school regarding these parties, but it would be intresting to see what can be done. Our PH doesn't police our groups, but it would be nice to see all the groups take some responsibility for their actions and decided that rules were put in place for our safety and I fear that it will take an accident until everyone sees that.

The Drinking Age...
 

What I've found most frustrating about this policy is that in Ontario, the legal drinking age is 19 which most of us at university are. We have ONE fraternity on campus, and they aren't dry (or if they are they're definitely NOT following it!). We used to go on bus trips to other nearby campuses to hang out with other GLOs since our campus has no real greek life, but it been REALLY difficult to get our chapter to change their outing habits.

Try telling someone who is legally allowed to drink that they can't go to a fraternity house that isn't dry...I'm on AAC and its been definitely been a fight this past year!

I understand the rationale behind the move, and I support it...but getting my chapter on board has a whole different angle to it.....

clarification
 

JadeSea, I think you are missing a couple very important points here.

1. The rules put in place by panhel were decided by A VERY SMALL FRACTION of its members. As the earlier posts in this thread stated, some groups put this issue before collegians for a vote, but many did not. In my GLO's case, the issue was decided by our national council - there was no vote. In effect, seven women made a very important decision for our approximately 4,000 collegiate members without proper representation or input. Does that sound fair to you?

2. My main gripe against third party restrictions has nothing to do with being prudish or responsible...it has to do with FINANCE. What it boils down to is saying "if you have money, you can drink and have off-site mixers. If you don't, you can't." I thought we were making progress past sororities and fraternities being for the rich only. This is pushing us back to that old mindset.

You did hit the nail on the head with one point: this is all about image. These rules weren't established to further the health, safety or well-being of the collegians. If so, we'd have programs advocating responsible drinking and disciplining/helping those who don't, not just pushing the problem out of the houses and onto the liability policies of the bar and club owners.

Re: clarification
 

Not to be a stickler, but the rules that are in place were not put into place by NPC. NPC made a recommendation that each sorority put a policy in place to support the fraternities that were going alcohol free in their housing. But the individual sororities did their own thing in passing a policy to support this resolution. I know that Sigma Kappa had their entire delegation vote on this at their last convention, while my sorority, D Phi E, had a task force made up of collegiate and alumnae members to discuss all of the pros and cons and pass a resolution. Our national council had to approve what we did, but that wasn't a problem at all. If you're upset with the policy, talk to your national council about it. 33, you're right, it sucks that your group decided on such a large issue in such a narrow way...I feel for you!

shadokat you are right of course....I was going with the previous post and speaking of "Panhel" as an all encompassing entity, as in all the sororities being members of Panhel...and all those members being part of Panhel....you know, We Are The World and all that.

speaking of panhel how is the situation?

All I can say is that there are definitely times that I'm glad I joined a local sorority. I'm not bashing any national organizations but I think that it is not right to make a whole group suffer, for lack of a better word, because a few people cannot control themselves. Some of these regulations can be enforced on groups that are closely monitored but for others they can get away with murder. Why make all of the rules if you can't enforce them.

I guess I can't talk much because my school is a commuter school and will not have dorms until 2004 and none of the national sororities have houses. My local sorority is the only one to have a house and I would be kind of mad if someone told me that I couldn't keep any alcohol of any kind in my room, especially if I am well over the legal age. I don't drink beer so when I buy a bottle of something it can usually last me a while. I'm not going to throw it out.

The nationals at my school did "under the table mixers" as someone else referred to it. Won't mention any names...but boy would their nationals be shocked and surprised if they came for a visit.

Have a nice day :)

As far as I can see, every sorority at UBC has strictly adhered to Panhell's no-drinking-at-mixers rule!

Its a tribute to NPC social conditioning programs that legal age sorority women choose not to excercise their legal right to drink in order to satisfy someone else's idea of behavior modification.:rolleyes:

We had those same issues and I think they are still going on. It is frustrating but it happens and it isn't the chapter's job to police other chapters. I hate when groups try to get around the regulations...apartments and such, which is more dangerous in the long run.

What gets me is that the NPC resolution was in support to the men's groups going dry. It wasn't an issue with us b/c we all are dry...it had to do with fraternities wanting to do the same and we needed to support them. If and when the fraternities go 100% I hope there isn't an issue.

I really don't see the problem. We had mixers multiple times a week and it got expensive for the men's groups, but you know what, we shouldn't have had that many mixers to begin with. If the groups had a central meeting place or something where we could all hangout maybe individual mixers wouldn't be such an issue?

A very strong PH and IFC would be able to help out with it, but that depends on peolpe wanting to help themselves.