Feds Disrupt Skinhead Plot to Assassinate Obama
 

Perhaps Obama is well-guarded, but what about the dozens of other people they intended to kill? And they aren't the only ones with such a plan, I'm sure. These folks need Jesus.

and yet, you have some cities mobilizing police and military forces for fear of riots..........

My father told me yesterday that gun sales are up because people are afraid of what will happen if Obama is elected. I find that hard-to-believe right wing propaganda (based on the source).

It's either that or people are talking serious hooey.

I have seen some right wing sites where people are actually discussing 'stocking up' in case the 'criminal hoodlum element' should decide to do 'harm' in their areas.

But I have to ask tho.....which will incite a riot more?

Obama winning or McCain winning **think about that**

Seriously? Did you really have to go that route?

I have no doubt that there are sickos out there, and it's good that they were able to stop this group of idiots before they hurt someone. But these rumors of right-wingers stocking up is just as ridiculous as the rumors of people leaving the country after Bush was elected the second time (the "I'll leave the country if Bush is elected" people).

My father *suggested* that Obama is going to declare martial law from day one so he can use the police against citizens. :rolleyes: Someone told him (or he heard) that gun sales were up because people were going to have to shoot police officers to protect their property. These crazy rumors are getting out of hand. I can't believe my father would even repeat something so ridiculous.

ETA: My father is a staunch McCain supporter.

Your father's comments don't represent the majority of Republicans. The vocal minority is just that, a minority, and doesn't (and shouldn't) speak for the party.

Seriously....and I asked them that same question....realize...that it's all just talk but if you take 10 that are even 'jokingly' talking about this....there are at least 2 that may really follow thru no matter how you cut it. As a matter of fact, pay attention to my last passage, I did say 'discussing'. Hell you got these nuts right here in this article that plotted to kill Obama and how did they meet? ONLINE. These are the nuts that weren't joking!

then...you have this article: http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...008-10-21.html

and you have: http://www.theroot.com/id/48479

did anyone else hear the Clash's "White Riot" when they read that article?

I loled at:

Why, oh why, do these nuts have to be from Tennessee??!??

...and Arkansas

I'm pretty sure there are far more serious Obama assasination attempts than this one.

Plus violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast.

Violent racism certainly occurs in all parts of the country, but how is it "indicative" of the Northeast?

ETA: This link is about 4 years old, and it deals more generally with "hate crimes," but it seems like the distribution is pretty well spread across the country (if you're looking at reports per agency): http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...ime/index.html

What is the new South? I've heard this term and was confused. Please explain. /hijack.

wait...there is such a thing as non-violent racism??

and ditto to that question about the 'new' South

Please explain. As someone who grew up in the South, went to college and now lives in the Northeast, and spends a lot of time on the West Coast (and plans to move there soon), I do not agree. There is more racial and economic segregation in the Northeast, but that is de facto segregation and not de jure the way that it was in the South until fairly recently.

No place is perfect, but until black men are dragged by trucks in Connecticut, please spare me on how "violent racism isn't indicative of the new South, mostly indicative of the West Coast and Northeast."

Of the previous twenty years...

Crown Heights Riot, Hempstead High School Riot, Philadelphia Riots of (2001)?

Other northern (but not necessarily northeastern) race riots include Toledo and Cincinatti and Benton Harbor.

In the previous 20 years, excluding Florida (most of which is not part of the cultural South), there hasn't been a race riot.

Furthermore, out West you have stuff like Southcentral Riots in LA, Inglewood High, Lock High School and so on.

If I have forgotten a race riot in the new South (post-1985), excuse me. But, I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Kevin:
In terms of black on white violence, I mean perhaps but there was no real proven motive on the black side that it was specifically "hating whitey" on the part of the black teen who beat the hell out of the white kid.

KSigKid:
The breakdown table doesn't have it divided up between race. It doesn't really help.

Would the incident at Jena, LA count?

Generally speaking, "New South" refers to the post-segregation, post-Jim Crow, post-Civil Rights Movement, and, perhaps, post-agrarian-based economy South. As opposed to the Old South.

Don't you think you're being pretty narrow with your definition of "violent racism?" It wouldn't just encompass race riots, but would encompass any violent crime (murder, assault, etc.) based in any way on the race of the victim.

If you're trying to say that racial violence occurs all areas, I agree with you. But, your examples don't show how "violent racism" is "indicative" of the Northeast or the West.

ETA: Yeah, I realize the breakdown table isn't especially helpful. I'm at work and couldn't find anything quickly that broke down incidents of racial violence in each region.

That's the same thing I said...:o


Some people need to kick rocks with some open-toed shoes...:rolleyes:

You're defining "violent racism" as "race riots"? Um, I seem to recall hearing a lot of news stories about hate crimes in the south where race is THE factor even if it wasn't a full-out riot. Speaking for the west coast, we're so racially integrated out here that race honestly is not that big of a deal to people here. California is home to the biggest number of minorities from practically all countries outside of their native lands, and up here in Seattle and Portland, many of us grew up going to schools where half the kids are asian. Seattle has no "ghetto," no neighborhood where all the "black folk" live and white people are afraid to drive through at night. For the mostpart our neighborhoods are very integrated and we don't give it a second thought.

The only place I've ever had a brush with the KKK was in the south...it sure as hell wasn't in the west. EW, your post was naive beyond words, to the point where I have to think you've never even stepped foot in the northeast or west.

^^ Agreed.

I grew up in southern NH/MA, and I now live in PA, and I never came across any of this "violent racism" he speaks of.

There are hate crimes committed every day across the country, some of which probably will never even be identified as such. To say that this type of behavior mainly happens in the West and Northeast, based on the occurrence of a few race riots, is ridiculous.

And even when it comes to non-violent racism, I believe it is much more apparent in the south than it is in the north.

LOL.


His name is Alain Locke. I know it's not that big of a deal, but I hate it when people forget the E in Locke or the S in Douglass. This is just an annoyance of mine.

I would also like to know why violent acts of racism only include race riots. Especially since all of these race riots involve people of color as the rioters. What do you call violent acts toward a person solely based on his or her race? There must be a different term used in the new south.

Yes, otherwise there would be a lot more violent crimes.

Ditto...

Haha, that's such a GC insult.

Gun sales are up.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4547564.shtml

http://www.khou.com/news/state/stori...1587b0297.html

But these stories give very cogent reasons for the rise in gun sales, and those reasons don't include this:

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_i...sm_in_the_News

http://www.portlandtribune.com/news/...04368291538100

I don't think any area is without racial and ethnic incident. I only googled Portland because someone claimed that the pacific northwest didn't have issues like this.

The Southern Poverty Law Center tracks hate groups by state:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

I didn't say the PacNW was without incident. I said "racial violence" is not more of a west coast thing.

Trust me, there is violent racism in Ohio. The KKK and the Arian Brothers are very much in the rural areas and southern Ohio. I can't say we have ever had unfortunate people being dragged to death, but hate is all over.

I will never forget when former Cleveland Mayor Michael White, who happened to be black not only allowed a KKK Rally, but he ensured their safety in order to protect their First Amendment Rights. It proved this mayor had more brains and backbone than the ugly demonstrators.

I agree that it's not more of a _______(name any geographic area) thing.

I tend to think it's most likely to happen in places with populations diverse in race/ethnicity and in areas with lower economic status, but I don't have data to back that up. Eta: It's about conditions present, rather than region. The South has a crappy history on this point, but I don't think much remains worse here than it does in other areas with comparable demographics without a similarly crappy history.

that's so crazy.

If you add up the groups in Idaho, Oregon, and Washington together, we still don't have as many in the single states of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Texas, and only one more than Tennessee.

There's a few parts to this though. Up here there is a lot of land, people can live on their own, mind their own business, and Oregon and Washington both don't have income tax, Oregon doesn't have sales tax either. You can have a little separatist group and be survivalists, and a lot of time they don't even do anything locally. The Aryan Nation moved back east and the City of Coeur d'Alene would shut down when a hate group wanted to have a parade. I'm not saying there aren't hateful, ignorant people in Idaho, but they aren't organized in these groups, these groups are mostly outsiders from elsewhere.

I also find random irony with a hate group targets Jews in an area with a very small amount of Jews. Also with the League of the South group active in states that didn't even exist during the Confederacy. To be honest the hate crimes in the area have changed to members of GLBTQ community members being attacked, with many in the two local college towns.

In my travels I have come to the conclusion that racism is more prevalent in the North (especially racism against whites but also white racism). I will say, however, that discrimination towards homosexuals is much more common in the south.
My personal theory is that black people and white people live in closer proximity to one another and attend the same schools in most parts of the south while there are still a lot of public schools in the north are 99% white or 99% black. I grew up having black friends because of this and as a result I am not racist where if I didn't have that happen I admittedly would probably be racist.

This is totally anecdotal, but I've been meaning to post this story and this seems a good time.

A couple of days before the huge recent Obama rally in St. Louis I was in a gun shop with my husband. (Incidentally, he owns multiple guns, is a member of the NRA, and is voting for Obama.) While we were in there (him shopping, me sitting on a little couch waiting for him), one of the employees came out to say that he just answered a phone call from an Obama volunteer, and the guys in the store had a good chuckle about it.

The guy proceeded to comment on the fact that he had a friend "working Obama's detail" that weekend. Then they all joked about how the friend should accidentally fall asleep on the job, at which point I think they realized there were non-regular customers in there and they stopped elaborating.

I realize I was in a gun shop, but I still thought it was pretty incredible to actually hear people joke about wishing that Obama's protective detail would fail in their job to protect him. I'm not naive enough that I was surprised they would think it, I was just surprised they would speak it in front of customers. Hubby and I decided it was a good thing that he drove his vehicle there, since mine has an Obama sticker on it. ;)