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Benzgirl 10-20-2008 03:06 PM

Obama: Powell will have roll in administration
 
With or without a formal title, Colin Powell will have Barack Obama's ear if the Democratic presidential candidate wins the White House in the Nov. 4 election, the candidate said Monday.
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/

CrackerBarrel 10-20-2008 03:44 PM

Bringing back a Bush administration Cabinet member that most think has been out-performed by Condoleeza Rice is what counts as "change we can believe in"?

Of course he was also the National Security Advisor to Bush's daddy. That's not a Washington insider, is it? And if Biden is such a damn expert on foreign policy, why bring in someone whose only expertise is foreign policy who has disagreed with Biden on most everything?

Absolutely not in any way politics as usual, right?

PhiGam 10-20-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1733442)
Bringing back a Bush administration Cabinet member that most think has been out-performed by Condoleeza Rice is what counts as "change we can believe in"?

Of course he was also the National Security Advisor to Bush's daddy. That's not a Washington insider, is it? And if Biden is such a damn expert on foreign policy, why bring in someone whose only expertise is foreign policy who has disagreed with Biden on most everything?

Absolutely not in any way politics as usual, right?

I like Powell, he is a great asset to Obama and I hope that he will be utilized as such.

Benzgirl 10-20-2008 04:20 PM

Obama knows his weaknesses. He is very smart to utilize Powell as an advisor. At least he isn't making us slap our foreheads and say, "what was he thinking?".

Kevin 10-20-2008 05:00 PM

I think Powell was ineffective because he was an administration outsider -- unwilling to drink the kool aid. The split between himself and the Bush administration was less than amicable, I think.

CrackerBarrel 10-20-2008 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1733453)
I like Powell, he is a great asset to Obama and I hope that he will be utilized as such.

Oh I like Powell as well, I just don't think saying this fits in with the "themes" of the Obama campaign very well.

AGDee 10-20-2008 05:44 PM

I think it does, exactly because of what Kevin said. Powell didn't drink the kool-aid. He's not one of "them"

nikki1920 10-20-2008 06:06 PM

Powell was smart enough to call shenanigans when he saw them and Bush and Co. did not like that. Powell didn't care. I have more respect for someone who can stand on his own two feet and can stand for the right when called for. I respect Obama for choosing someone who has his own mind and is not afraid to challenge his "boss".

Good move, Sen. Obama!

PhiGam 10-20-2008 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1733487)
I think it does, exactly because of what Kevin said. Powell didn't drink the kool-aid. He's not one of "them"

I dont know bout THAT

AGDee 10-20-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1733497)
I dont know bout THAT

Ok, he took a sip, but he spit it back out.

Elephant Walk 10-20-2008 06:46 PM

http://static.flickr.com/66/196050912_a20e19947b.jpg
Will he have mashed potatoes and chicken fingers too?

agzg 10-20-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel (Post 1733442)
Of course he was also the National Security Advisor to Bush's daddy. That's not a Washington insider, is it?

Actually Colin Powell was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton. He was National Security Advisor to Ronald Reagan.

PS I like both Colin Powell and Condi.

ETA: I find it interesting that John Negroponte was Colin Powell's deputy when he was NSA to Ronald Reagan. Actually, not interesting. Lets just say advisors tend to be recycled... a lot.

CrackerBarrel 10-20-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1733498)
Ok, he took a sip, but he spit it back out.

I don't know that I'd go that far either. He disagreed with the Bush administration on a number of things, but he anticipated being asked to stay on for at least part of the second term and according to his staff was planning to do so until Card (who was the President's chief of staff at the time) called him a few days after the reelection and told him the President would like to make a change at the position.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...092700106.html

agzg 10-20-2008 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Elephant Walk (Post 1733512)
http://static.flickr.com/66/196050912_a20e19947b.jpg
Will he have mashed potatoes and chicken fingers too?

I think this is the type of roll she means.

AGDee 10-20-2008 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam (Post 1733546)

I love my sister! But she meant THIS roll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

agzg 10-20-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 1733547)
I love my sister! But she meant THIS roll: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

Ahhh! You fixed my post! Thanks!

KSig RC 10-20-2008 10:38 PM

Well, at least we can put to rest those claims of Powell's support as a "low-risk, high-reward" timing-based move . . . oh.

LightBulb 10-20-2008 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1733492)
I respect Obama for choosing someone who has his own mind and is not afraid to challenge his "boss".

I hope so. That was part of the reason why Lincoln was such an effective president despite his inexperience: he surrounded himself with the best in each field, even though they hated each other (and some even wanted his job).

CrackerBarrel 10-20-2008 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nikki1920 (Post 1733492)
I respect Obama for choosing someone who has his own mind and is not afraid to challenge his "boss".

Like I said, I respect Powell a lot, but that's just not an accurate portrayal of what happened. You can respect him for what kind of a man he is and his obvious understanding of foreign affairs, but he doesn't win any liberal points for standing up to the Bush administration. He was the man who showed the "theoretical anthrax" and said there was no doubt in his mind that Saddam had biological weapons in front of the UN and was the man tapped to try to put a coalition together in the Security Council. His only disagreement on Iraq was with Rumsfeld when he (Powell) said that we needed more troops.

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Originally Posted by Washington Post
Many assumed that he had privately argued against such a clearly misguided adventure and been overruled.In fact, Powell had never advised against the Iraq invasion, although he had warned Bush of the difficulties and counseled patience. He had no reason to resign over Iraq, he told questioners.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2700106_2.html

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
As was the case in the days leading up to the Persian Gulf War, Powell was initially opposed to a forcible overthrow of Hussein, preferring to continue a policy of containment. However, Powell eventually agreed to go along with the Bush administration's determination to remove Hussein.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_P...etary_of_State

He left the Cabinet when Bush requested his resignation so he could shuffle the Cabinet positions after reelection, not because there was some huge disagreement that he had with the rest of the White House.

KSigkid 10-21-2008 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KSig RC (Post 1733631)
Well, at least we can put to rest those claims of Powell's support as a "low-risk, high-reward" timing-based move . . . oh.

Haha, seriously. The guy's a Washington insider, and a pretty smart one at that, so I give him credit for seeing the inevitable conclusion and jumping on before it was too late.

It's also low-risk, high-reward for Obama. Powell's beliefs are sufficiently moderate that bringing him on board won't cause much of a stir, but his resume could bring a voter or two. Again, I don't think it will have much of an effect in the polls (taking into account Obama's large lead and Powell's political views), but it certainly doesn't hurt.

RU OX Alum 10-21-2008 12:51 PM

Powell is awesome. I'm glad he will be an advisor to Obama. However, I don't think he said that just to get a job. People had be asking him for a while. I'm sure his endorsement swayed a few independent/undecided voters.


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