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:eek:

::leaves thread shaking head::

I think the best place you can go for this type of confidential, membership selection info is your national organization. Get in touch with the national membership officer and let her know you need help. Or, get in touch with other membership directors from other chapters similar to yours. These people will be glad to share some ideas with you, but you will not get this type of info on an open internet forum.

Awww. This thread has so much potential for fun. Too bad it will be poofed right quick.

I'll give the info because I've actually seen the sheets and I'm not naming particular chapters.

The way it's done here is they have a list of the girls who are coming through each party. Next to each name they write either "H" or "G". H is for hometown (as in they know 'em from back home) and G for Grapevine. And then they give 'em a rank based on what they know from back home...H-1 means that she was an awesome girl from their hometown, G-10 means they heard through the grapevine she's no good. Clearly H's mean more than G's.

Just my little tidbit of info.

We just use TPS reports.

Haha. Classic :cool:

Shame on you guys for not QFP! ;)

Awwww I missed it...

She wanted to know how other groups do their "scoring" between rush parties. She was at a meeting where apparently people from other GLOs who also don't understand discretion were blabbing about their voting processes. OP said her group doesn't have such a system, they just talk about all the girls and do something with 5 stars or something of the like (I really don't remember the details but I know it was too much info), and wondered if everyone would just spell out for her exactly how they do all their voting and scoring during rush 'cuz it would really help her out and all, kthxbye.

OMG, EW, how did you know that's how we rank PNMs?!?

But you forgot the part where we take the PNMs' weight into account. We wouldn't want the Circling of the Fat to take all day.

No mention of the yes/no Magic 8 Ball?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!:eek:

This is not directed at EW particularly, but in general I think this is how most of us assume membership selection works.

I mean.... it's not random. It's subjective. You've got to rank a lot of girls in a short amount of time.

I dunno.... what EW posted isn't even an exaggeration like throwing darts or picking names out of a hat.

*shrug*

If you don't want to talk about it, don't.

It isn't for discussion by the people who took an oath to keep it secret.

People are free to assume, speculate, or otherwise discuss how they think it might work logistically.

Of course.

The problem is that some pnms may take those assumptions, speculations and discussions and think they are the gospel truth.

Or take the worst of them, put them together, and write a book.:rolleyes:

People are also free to poke fun at those who assume, speculate, or otherwise discuss.

The sister who preffed me at one sorority told me this after I missed throwing the object she had handed me into the bowl, "That is what we judge you on. Everyone who makes it into the bowl gets a bid and everyone who missed is cut. Too bad, I liked you." She said all this with a smile, of course. I thought it was pretty good.

I'm going to admit that I find it really interesting. Since I know I'm not supposed to talk about my GLO's MS, I generally don't try to get other people to talk about how they do things.

But I wonder. . .

And I'm often amazed at what people reveal really casually sometimes.

Hahah that's absolutely hilarious...though I can see how it could backfire on someone who just doesn't get sarcasm.

I find it very interesting as well. I could really care less about other sororities rituals because, although I am sure all the ceremonies are beautiful, it wouldn't mean anything to me to know what XYZ stands for. But I think membership selection is really interesting, just because I'm sure some groups have come up with more competitive strategies than others...makes you wonder how other sororities do things.

I also crack up about how people accidentally reveal things...like when we are all complaining about rush together somebody will accidentally say something like "Yeah and the fact that we have to sing all of the PNMs names gets so annoying" (obviously no sororities do that, I'm just throwing out something random to make a point) and everybody just stops and stares...but the girl who initially said it just assumed every house did it like hers. (Does that make sense?).

Really? It's that big of a deal to discuss how you do delibs on an anonymous forum?

Well, I don't mind sharing. After each day of rush, we sit around in our living room, and go through a powerpoint with each PNM's name and picture (usually just their facebook picture or one they supply - it's just a reminder of who they are, since we meet so many people. We don't facebook stalk you and then talk about how your picture is terrible or anything like that, don't worry!). People who know the girl or met her during rush give the girl in question a ranking from 1 (terrible) to 5 (amazing), and then explain why they gave that score. We always try to end with a positive, and then everyone in the sisterhood, even those that haven't met the girl, give her a score 1-5 based on what they've heard. Our New Member Selection chair then adds up the points each PNM got, and the more points, the higher on our list she goes. Also, if you have a specific reason why you would feel uncomfortable with a certain girl in the house, you can talk to our president privately, and she will be cut, but that happens fairly infrequently.

I believe that most of the sororities on my campus do something similar. I know one national does not do delibs at all here. Each sister will fill out a slip of paper for every PNM they met during rush or know from previous interaction and give her a score 1-5 in two categories, but I can't remember what those are. I do know 5,5 is the highest, 1,1 is awful. Anyway, they do this during the break between each party, so they end up getting to go home much earlier than the rest of us, but they also don't get to discuss a girl if they have questions. At another national house, the voting options are basically Yes-No. If a girl gets more yesses than nos, she is invited for the next round. Not sure what they do to rank after pref night. More yesses = high on list? Some houses do "bump groups" - a group of 5 or 6 girls who will pass PNMs only among each other during rush. Then, after the parties, they'll do mini-delibs within their bump group, and just talk about the girls their bump group met with. They can submit a form to the NMS chair if they know a girl previously and want to give an opinion.

Obviously, this is only the way we do selection at my school. We don't usually have more than 300 girls rushing, so I have no idea what the process would be at a bigger school where going through each girl at delibs might not be practical (it takes us long enough as it is!).

I think it's fair to assume that most initiation vows involve keeping the private business of the chapter a secret. I do believe that membership selection falls under that category.

Second, this forum is not very anonymous. This is not juicycampus (not that it's very anonymous). Countless posters, when asking for advice or telling a recruitment story give out WAAAY too much information when making inappropriate comments thinking that they are anonymous.

that doesn't seem right
they've never met her and they're voting based on someone else's opinion??

First, GreekChat is about as anonymous as a telephone book. Don't post anything about anything that you wouldn't want to see on a billboard.

Second, if membership selection isn't considered ritual for your sorority, please realize that for most NPC sororities, it is considered ritual. Post what you want about your GLO, but please refrain from saying anything about another GLO.

Thank you.

These are all well and good, but my chapter prefers taking each girl's info sheet, standing at the top of the stairs and tossing them into the air.
Whoever lands closer to the top of the stairs gets a higher ranking.

We like to use the paper air plane plan. you know, write the girls name on paper, make it into an airplane and throw it. The ones that go farther are higher.

But i really like the stairs idea! Maybe next year!

Puleeze! All of the aforementioned techniques are subpar! If you don't do the alphabet x zodiac sign + color compatibility technique, I don't know how you are filling your pledge class with quality women. Definitely lower tier. ;) :)

Don't you need a way to figure in the family income level to make sure you have top tier?

Remember when you were little and you and your friends would take a piece of paper and write different things on it-like cars, jobs, and cities-and then you'd fold it up and put the first 2 fingers of each hand in and someone would pick a number and thats how many times you would move the paper around-and then you'd pull up the first flap to find the answer to the first question???


Ya, thats what we do.

I loved that game!! I'll have to tell my chapter we've got to change our ways...

We played Craps. Instead of numbers on the table, we taped the name of PNMs to the square. The Rush Chairman shot the dice as the chapter cheered on their square. The Chapter President was the "stickman"

We just always picked girls who would look cute in cat suits.

But that goes without saying!

In Gamma Phi Beta, we have "PNM Tokens" which are basically poker chips with the girls' numbers on them. Then, we have a wooden box with a slot at the top. At the end of each night, we flip the tokens at the box - the ones that fall into the slot are eliminated. That's what we mean when we say that "sometimes girls fall through the cracks".

.....Kelly :)

You are, however, in a local sorority. It is the tendency of national GLOs to not talk about membership selection. So you aren't doing anything wrong on your end, I'm just giving the perspective of the NPCs.

One other thing to keep in mind is that the NPCs tend to have far more complicated selection processes than the one you just described. I know our Recruitment Manual is something like 150-200 pages long. This is likely to do with the prevalence of NPC chapters at schools with HUGE recruitments...let's face it, if it was as simple as sitting in the living room and a 1-5 ranking there is no way that our chapters could get through 900-1,000+ women in the large recruitments.

My turn again! (with a nod to Navane for inspiring me)

There is another method that involves putting the PNM's names on two lists. First, their names go on an A List. The members throw darts at the list and the girls whose names get hit with a dart are moved to the B List. The B List then becomes the Bid List. This is where we get the expression, "Don't worry. You will end up where you were meant to be."

:)

Yeah, I understand that every place does it differently, and there are rules you have to obey. My school probably is unusual among Greek schools that it is so small (300 girls that rush? That's more than half of the girls in the class). But since it is something I am allowed to talk about, I thought I'd at least share so that the OP could have some idea of how it MIGHT be done.

I guess I wasn't as much surprised that people chose not to share their own stories as much as I was surprised that everyone thought it was so unreasonable to even ask. Even if she only got a few responses, that's still a bit more information than she had before.

It's not that people choose not to respond to such questions, it's that to the best of my knowledge all NPC orgs are not allowed to discuss this with non-members. The membership selection process is confidential and bound by ritual. After all, we aren't called "secret" societies for no reason.

While I'm willing to bet there are similarities between groups' processes, each org developed its own methods. While it may not be patented, it is proprietory and private information. It is one of the things that makes a group unique and (hopefully) successful.