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ScottieBoy 03-10-2012 04:29 AM

Hi everyone I'm Scott and I need some help with my situation
 
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trisigma212 03-10-2012 09:43 AM

I'm pretty sure you can't look at fraternities in either the IFC or NPHC. Once you are initiated, you are a member for life.

Kevin 03-10-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by trisigma212 (Post 2131302)
I'm pretty sure you can't look at fraternities in either the IFC or NPHC. Once you are initiated, you are a member for life.

I'm pretty sure you're right.

trisigma212 03-10-2012 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 2131306)
I'm pretty sure you're right.

hey I didn't want to step on any toes. I'm not in either conference.

I do believe there is a possibility if his nationals allows him to resign his membership. But that means that whatever group he wants to join allows that sort of thing, which some don't.

However, it's extremely unlikely that would happen on the same campus.

MysticCat 03-10-2012 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by trisigma212 (Post 2131307)
I do believe there is a possibility if his nationals allows him to resign his membership. But that means that whatever group he wants to join allows that sort of thing, which some don't.

In NIC-world (IFC is a local campus group; the NIC is the national conference) and from the NIC's perspective, once you have been initiated into a member fraternity, you can only be initiated into a different fraternity if the first fraternity HQ informs the second fraternity HQ in writing that you are no longer a member of first fraternity. I say from the NIC's perspective because, as members of different fraternities have said here from time to time, even if NIC rules would allow initiation into the second fraternity, many NIC fraternities (which includes the fraternities you listed and all but one of the NPHC fraternities) have their own rules or policies prohibiting it. And even if a national fraternity didn't have rules or policies prohibiting it, chapters still may not be willing to consider it.

The guy in your Greek office should know better.

33girl 03-10-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottieBoy (Post 2131286)
I tried being rush chair however, they wouldn't allow it and even if I did, it would hard to compete with the bigger fraternities.

Who is "they"? Why wouldn't "they" allow it? Unless your grades are completely abysmal, I have a hard time believing that your national HQ wouldn't be excited about a guy who wants to be rush chair that badly.

Hole in story, does not compute.

jazing 03-10-2012 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by trisigma212 (Post 2131302)
I'm pretty sure you can't look at fraternities in either the IFC or NPHC. Once you are initiated, you are a member for life.

I believe that is just a campus wide thing. You can go to another campus and do it, its just frowned upon and makes you question your own commitments.

I know of a few examples that have done it at different campuses, and one that did it in the same campus.

AZTheta 03-10-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jazing (Post 2131336)
I believe that is just a campus wide thing. You can go to another campus and do it, its just frowned upon and makes you question your own commitments.

I know of a few examples that have done it at different campuses, and one that did it in the same campus.

MysticCat posted the correct information. OP, I would recommend following that advice.

ASTalumna06 03-10-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jazing (Post 2131336)
I believe that is just a campus wide thing. You can go to another campus and do it, its just frowned upon and makes you question your own commitments.

I know of a few examples that have done it at different campuses, and one that did it in the same campus.

You actually know a handful of people who have been initiated into one NIC fraternity, dropped, then joined another? I find that hard to believe. And if you do, I'm willing to bet they didn't go through the proper channels to get this done.

And no, it's not a "campus thing"... These are national policies set forth by each individual NIC organization.

Again, MysticCat knows what's up.

PiKA2001 03-10-2012 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06 (Post 2131340)
You actually know a handful of people who have been initiated into one NIC fraternity, dropped, then joined another? I find that hard to believe. And if you do, I'm willing to bet they didn't go through the proper channels to get this done.

And no, it's not a "campus thing"... These are national policies set forth by each individual NIC organization.

Again, MysticCat knows what's up.

I know someone who did. I don't believe it's common but I wouldn't say it never happens. It involved a transfer student and his prior affiliation was never disclosed to his second fraternity. I can also see situations where the local chapter could sort of "look the other way" or "DADT" if they really wanted the guy for whatever reason. Not all chapters walk the straight and narrow.
BUT
I really can't see these other groups taking this guy as a member knowing that he has already been initiated by a fraternity on the same campus. And last but not least, I've never heard of any NIC Fraternity allowing former or current members of other NIC Fraternities to be initiated into their org (other than in instances of a merger).

ASTalumna06 03-10-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001 (Post 2131352)
I know someone who did. I don't believe it's common but I wouldn't say it never happens. It involved a transfer student and his prior affiliation was never disclosed to his second fraternity. I can also see situations where the local chapter could sort of "look the other way" or "DADT" if they really wanted the guy for whatever reason. Not all chapters walk the straight and narrow.

I never said it can't happen.. Just that it's a little unbelievable that someone would know 5 people who have done it.

And that was my point - that if it IS true, I guarantee that not all of them went about it by the book.

I just wouldn't suggest this guy put all of his hopes on "maybe this other fraternity's chapter members won't care and I can join anyway." .. Because even if that was the case, all it would take is for one of the members from his original fraternity contacting the national organization of the new one for everything to go to hell.

Gusteau 03-10-2012 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 2131314)
In NIC-world (IFC is a local campus group; the NIC is the national conference) and from the NIC's perspective, once you have been initiated into a member fraternity, you can only be initiated into a different fraternity if the first fraternity HQ informs the second fraternity HQ in writing that you are no longer a member of first fraternity. I say from the NIC's perspective because, as members of different fraternities have said here from time to time, even if NIC rules would allow initiation into the second fraternity, many NIC fraternities (which includes the fraternities you listed and all but one of the NPHC fraternities) have their own rules or policies prohibiting it. And even if a national fraternity didn't have rules or policies prohibiting it, chapters still may not be willing to consider it.

The guy in your Greek office should know better.

Right. Many groups will not release you to membership in another group, and some groups will not accept the release from another group.

If you are a Delta Chi we will not release you from membership to another group, nor will we accept a member who has been released from another group.

knight_shadow 03-10-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gusteau (Post 2131411)
Right. Many groups will not release you to membership in another group, and some groups will not accept the release from another group.

If you are a Delta Chi we will not release you from membership to another group, nor will we accept a member who has been released from another group.

Huh? Are you saying that a HQ will not honor someone's request to disaffiliate (regardless of that person's motivations)?

jazing 03-10-2012 10:44 PM

I think the harder part is finding a group that would actually allow such a thing.

AEPi's open laws state: "Initiation into this fraternity confers membership for life"

You should think about that when making the decision.

Gusteau 03-10-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 2131425)
Huh? Are you saying that a HQ will not honor someone's request to disaffiliate (regardless of that person's motivations)?

Not quite. Delta Chi will allow someone to resign their membership, but we will not provide a letter stating they may join another group. I know we're not alone in this.


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