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AKA2D '91 04-09-2008 11:17 AM

Do you think JC Watts would step out of political retirement? Who knows what's gone on since he left politics. :confused:

TonyB06 04-09-2008 11:22 AM

While obviously a talented and accomplished professional on the world stage, Rice doesn't help McCain for several reasons:

- Rice is a tie to the current administration, and specifically, to its foreign policy. Most reliable polling suggests Americans want a clean break from the status quo. Why McCain would want such a link to the current leadership is politically unexplanable

- She brings nothing "electorally". Her native Alabama is safely within the Republican camp, and her current "home state" of California, is safely in the Democratic camp in November

- As others have noted, Rice doesn't really bring a core consitutency (Af-Ams, anyone else?) to McCain's side

- (don't have specific cite) but I've read in the past that she's not exactly "pro-life" and has sent signals of at least minimal support for Affirmative Action so long as it stops short of quotas. Neither of these positions is likely to bolster mainstream R support.

unspokenone25 04-09-2008 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1631596)
Do you think JC Watts would step out of political retirement? Who knows what's gone on since he left politics. :confused:

I think JC Watts would come out of retirement for the possibility of being a V.P. Since he's left politics, the whole dynamic of the Republican Party has changed and their power has dwindled. I think it would make for more of an interesting ticket as opposed to Condy being McCain's running mate.

I can say that I enjoy listening to JC as a political commentator rather than when he was a Congressman. Since McCain is old as dirt, he needs to pick someone that is young, has a mass appeal strictly geared towards the right, is likeable, and experience. That's where he'll find his "dream ticket."

mccoyred 04-21-2008 09:06 AM

The Pennsylvania primary is tomorrow. PLEASE go out and Vote!

blklikeme 04-23-2008 10:31 AM

PA. racist or not
 
I am from Philly and it has always bin racists
from hiring police and firermen and any loans
and north and west PA too.
But with Obama he knew that when he came into PA.
But he is still beating both Mccain and billary through
attrition

blklikeme 04-23-2008 02:09 PM

Are you sick an tryed of hillary and bills bullcarp
 
First she lies and tell untrues then she has as much exp as monica and flowers with being president or w/the president so is the money going to kill her or is it the superdels or the voters that the dems are not going to let
her brake up the party for her buddy Mccain
and is she sleeping w/ bush or mccain ?

SummerChild 04-29-2008 02:48 PM

Ok, what is going on with Rev. Wright?

Has this man gone crazy? Please.sit.down.somewhere. Is this crabs in a barrel at it's best? Is he working for Hillary Clinton? I'm completely baffled.
SC

Ten/Four 04-29-2008 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1642255)
Ok, what is going on with Rev. Wright?

Has this man gone crazy? Please.sit.down.somewhere. Is this crabs in a barrel at it's best? Is he working for Hillary Clinton? I'm completely baffled.
SC

He has a book coming soon.

SummerChild 04-30-2008 05:07 AM

Oh. Boy, talk about grandstanding. For shame.... Now is NOT the time....

SC

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ten/Four (Post 1642434)
He has a book coming soon.


AKA2D '91 04-30-2008 08:19 AM

Maybe not now, but I bet a book is forthcoming. Why not? Others do it.

SummerChild 04-30-2008 10:49 AM

Soror, I meant now is not the time for his grandstanding (not for his book).
SC
Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1642715)
Maybe not now, but I bet a book is forthcoming. Why not? Others do it.


AKA2D '91 04-30-2008 11:36 AM

I don't have a problem with the grandstanding. It's just that the media and some folks can't separate Wright from Obama or vice versa.

Rev Wright is SO on point with what he says, IMO.

If Obama does not win the nomination, this will be used as the EXCUSE. I told ya'll don't forget whose world it is. Regardless of Wright, if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN...with or without the so called grandstanding!

mccoyred 05-01-2008 08:05 AM

There may be a compromise forthcoming on Michigan http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...t_n_99273.html but no word on Florida yet.

Despite the 'controversy', Obama is closing the gap on Superdelegates http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

mccoyred 05-01-2008 11:03 AM

Every Democrat or Democrat-leaning voter (especially Independents like myself) MUST read this!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...om_Andrew.html

MsFoxyLoxy77 05-01-2008 11:45 AM

Totally agree
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1642786)
Soror, I meant now is not the time for his grandstanding (not for his book).
SC

I totally agree. If he wants to cash in on a book, so be it...AKA2D '91 is right, others do... BUT he is grandstanding. He knows it, you know it, and I know it. The book will sell because he used to be Obama's pastor & because clips from his sermon were all over the news & youtube. All publicity is good publicity when you're trying to cash in.

Even though I agree with some (definitely not all) of what Wright says, he has to realize that its best to say these things AFTER Obama wins. A lot of Americans are lazy in their thinking. They're not going to separate Obama from his former pastor's comments because its just too easy.


"Obama says what he has to say as a politician"
~ Rev. Wright

What was the point of that? :confused::mad:

Little32 05-01-2008 11:53 AM

Rev. Wright is not trying to cash in. He already had multiple books and an active career as a speaker before these links to Obama thrust him into the national political spotlight. He was and continues to be a well-respected theologian and because of that was and continues to be a sought after speaker. He was and is doing alright without this crap, believe me.

If anything, this publicity is hurting him because right after it happened he had to cancel speaking engagements because of the death threats that he received; also some of those engagements were canceled as a reaction to this negative press (I think).

MsFoxyLoxy77 05-01-2008 04:12 PM

Alright, if that is the case and the impression I have from seeing his appearances on tv is wrong then I'll concede the point. I shouldn't have implied he's trying to cash in, though it really makes no difference to me. I was moreso talking about about how likely he'd be able to sell a book detailing his current experiences because of the 'controversy' as opposed to sermons he's published in the past. If his message is worthwhile then why not?

I know he has dozens of theological books & that he was sought after before (I remember hearing that Bill & Hillary invited him to the White House and so he had to have already been nationally recognized) but because of the recent drama he's more famous, infamous, well known, or what have you.

IMO what continues to be bothersome is that he continues to make 'controversial' statements before the election. Anyone can see that anything he says now can and will be used against Obama. That's really all I care about...

Little32 05-02-2008 09:40 AM

^^OK, but I am pretty sure that the book is not about this experience. When he mentioned his book the other day, it was in the context of the talk that he was giving about race and racism, so I imagine the book takes a look at those issues.

MsFoxyLoxy77 05-07-2008 09:37 AM

Primary Results
 
72 Delegates in Indiana
...................Votes........Vote%......Delegat es Precincts Reporting
Clinton.........638,274........51%...........37... ................99%
Obama.........615,862........49%...........33

115 Delegates in North Carolina
...........Votes ...........Vote% Delegates Precincts Reporting
Obama...........890,695..........56%...........58. ...................99%
Clinton...........657,920..........42%...........4 2


Total Delegates
Barack Obama........1,836
Hillary Clinton.........1,681

Total Delegates needed to win Democratic Nomination 2,025

AKA2D '91 05-07-2008 10:14 AM

Hilary just lent her campaign $6.4 million. Hmmmmmmmm!

MsFoxyLoxy77 05-07-2008 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1646481)
Hilary just lent her campaign $6.4 million. Hmmmmmmmm!

She's giving money to herself again? So does this make a total of 11.4 million (including the 5 million she gave herself before) or has she been able to pay herself that money back....

SummerChild 05-07-2008 02:58 PM

Well, apparently 11 mil is nothing b/c she made 110 mil last year. Oh wait, she's the one who does such a good job of identifying with the lower economic class, right? Right. can i make 110 mil in a year?

SC


Quote:

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77 (Post 1646486)
She's giving money to herself again? So does this make a total of 11.4 million (including the 5 million she gave herself before) or has she been able to pay herself that money back....


MsFoxyLoxy77 05-14-2008 10:51 AM

I think this may not come as a surprise to many of you but...
Obama campaign vs. prejudice.

MsFoxyLoxy77 05-14-2008 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1646668)
Well, apparently 11 mil is nothing b/c she made 110 mil last year. Oh wait, she's the one who does such a good job of identifying with the lower economic class, right? Right. can i make 110 mil in a year?

SC

Soror, tell me about it.

naturaldiscretn 05-14-2008 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77 (Post 1646486)
She's giving money to herself again? So does this make a total of 11.4 million (including the 5 million she gave herself before) or has she been able to pay herself that money back....

You're right. She hasn't been able to get the first 5 million back so now she is in an even deeper hole.

naturaldiscretn 05-14-2008 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SummerChild (Post 1646668)
Well, apparently 11 mil is nothing b/c she made 110 mil last year. Oh wait, she's the one who does such a good job of identifying with the lower economic class, right? Right. can i make 110 mil in a year?

SC

Amen to that one!

Honeykiss1974 05-14-2008 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77 (Post 1651392)
I think this may not come as a surprise to many of you but...
Obama campaign vs. prejudice.

No shock here - nor that the Clintons (including Bill who was dubbed by many AfAms as "the first black president" :rolleyes:) are using that sentiment to their advantage as well.

thesweetestone 05-15-2008 08:01 AM

Go Hillary 08!:p

mccoyred 06-01-2008 08:55 AM

Developments on MI and FL delegate seating and allocations

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10732.html
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008...y-numbers.html

Obama '08!!

I.A.S.K. 06-01-2008 01:29 PM

So now Obama needs 68 delegates (super or otherwise) to get the Nom and HillBilly needs more than 200.

Ickies (sp?) and Hillary are really getting on my nerves saying "we reserve the right to take this to the convention" what is this? Why wont they just let it go? You already lost boo! Just accept the L and move on with your life.

Obama 08'---IF YOU AINT ON SIT DOWN!

I.A.S.K. 06-01-2008 01:55 PM

just my thoughts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1642810)
Rev Wright is SO on point with what he says, IMO.

If Obama does not win the nomination, this will be used as the EXCUSE. I told ya'll don't forget whose world it is. Regardless of Wright, if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN...with or without the so called grandstanding!

I must say that I agree that Wright is on point with some of the things he says (a lot of what he says to be truthful), but as a mentor and a leader and a man of God he should understand that there is a time and a place for everything. He should also be aware that what he says and does not only reflects on him, but on Obama and all black people for that matter. I really regret that some black people still forget that when they open their mouthes and when they act out they do not only rep themselves they rep everything associated with them. Rev. Wright knows the effects of what he said and how the media portrayed him. I've corresponded with him and he has said how it has weighed on him. So my thing is if you know your actions could cause Obama to lose support then shut up for the time being. After he's president then run your mouth. Im cool with people taking advantage of opportunity. Im against it when it is to the detriment of others. There have been plenty of times when groups or individuals could have spoken out and felt a need to speak out but decided not to because it was in the best interest of those that they support to remain a quiet dissenter.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1642810)
if THEY want Obama IN, he will get IN

You havent spoken anything but the truth, but I have to say that they want him now, but the more Wright says the less some of Them want him. In my opinion they should never be given a reson to doubt Obama and wright seems to be giving them plenty.

Ten/Four 06-01-2008 02:55 PM

I'm fine with the compromise. Once again Hillary is just trying to keep her name in the news. How are they going to be mad about Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot?

TonyB06 06-02-2008 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ten/Four (Post 1661264)
I'm fine with the compromise. Once again Hillary is just trying to keep her name in the news. How are they going to be mad about Michigan when she was the only name on the ballot?

HRC is playing a politically detrimental game long term at this point. Politicians do each other like this all the time. "No permanent allies, only permanent interests" as the saying goes. They'll make up and move on to the next political fight.

Out in the country however, where constituencies tend to focus in only periodically, IMO she's done longterm damage to the "Clinton" brand name vis-a-vis Black America. People can respect, and at one time applaud, her campaign and how she waged it, but she's had no endgame for a quite a while now.

Going forward, I think HRC's future ability to attract AfAm votes (nationally) is pretty much nil at this point.

MsFoxyLoxy77 06-02-2008 10:31 AM

:(
 
I'm a Floridian. I saw what happened in the 2000 election and I'm disgusted and saddened that Hillary supporters would compare 2000 to the Democratic primaries in FL & MI. I voted on Jan. 29 knowing my vote wouldn't count & at the time I was an Edwards supporter so I voted for Edwards.

I watched the Democratic Rules & Bylaws Committe & frankly Ickes can go to hell...and those so-called Democratic Floridians who booed & shouted "Denver, Denver" as our elected officials begged & pleaded with them to see reason and understand that comprimise, by defintion, cannot satisfy all parties completely can go right along with him. They should be happy we got anything back at all.

I am now convinced we will lose in November. I've talked personally to Hillary supporters & watched the circus of Hillary supporters on Saturday & most tell me they will not vote for Obama in November & will either vote for McCain or stay home. Welcome to another 4 years of Republican Rule!!!:cool: I'm going to try some new investments this year so I'll have enough money to pay for gas next year...

MsFoxyLoxy77 06-02-2008 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K. (Post 1661243)
So now Obama needs 68 delegates (super or otherwise) to get the Nom and HillBilly needs more than 200.

Obama 08'---IF YOU AINT ON SIT DOWN!

He needs even less now. Now only 49.5 delegates are needed to put Obama over the top...

Eclipse 06-02-2008 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77 (Post 1661583)
I am now convinced we will lose in November. I've talked personally to Hillary supporters & watched the circus of Hillary supporters on Saturday & most tell me they will not vote for Obama in November & will either vote for McCain or stay home. Welcome to another 4 years of Republican Rule!!!:cool: I'm going to try some new investments this year so I'll have enough money to pay for gas next year...


MsFoxyLoxy77, based on the Hillary supporters that you talked with what are they so angry about? I am seriously trying to understand the ones who feel the election was "stolen" from them. I understand the concern about Michigan, but I could not see a fair way to resolve that, but what did they think would be fair in FL? Do people who say they are not 1/2 vote and therefor they are voting Repub understand that the Repubs did the exact same thing, only difference is the Repubs did not agree not to campaign in FL.

I am seriously confused. I understand wanting the best for your candidate, but I cannot see how you would not accept the compromise.

TonyB06 06-02-2008 12:14 PM

*Eclipse, is that you? ....is that really, really you? :)

MsFoxyLoxy77 06-02-2008 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eclipse (Post 1661626)
MsFoxyLoxy77, based on the Hillary supporters that you talked with what are they so angry about? I am seriously trying to understand the ones who feel the election was "stolen" from them.

One man informed me that, "Barack Obama had evil in his heart (how he can read people's heart I'll never know), was inexperienced, and was hiding his true intent for this country with fancy rhetoric." He also said that he was offended Barack was going around calling himself African-American when he is really bi-racial.

Another woman said, "the Clinton years were great & she just wants to go back to something she knows she can rely on..." She went on to say that if Obama took the nomination she would have to consider whether to vote for somebody else (read:McCain) or not at all.

I repeatedly asked, "Why, Why? They are so similar on the issues, why?" I received no clear answers, no legitimate response, just vague references to fancy speeches don't matter, no experience, I just don't like what he represents and so on...

My conclusion of the first guy is he has some kind of problem with race. Whether he wants to admit it or not I think he somehow felt Obama was benefiting from saying he was black & able to get more votes because he would be the quote on quote first black president.

I actually agreed with the second lady until she couldn't back up why she wouldn't vote for Obama if he won fairly.

So my overall conclusion is some Hillary supporters aren't seeing reason. In what world is McCain the best alternative to voting for Hillary:confused:

mccoyred 06-02-2008 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsFoxyLoxy77 (Post 1661663)
One man informed me that, "Barack Obama had evil in his heart (how he can read people's heart I'll never know), was inexperienced, and was hiding his true intent for this country with fancy rhetoric." He also said that he was offended Barack was going around calling himself African-American when he is really bi-racial.

Another woman said, "the Clinton years were great & she just wants to go back to something she knows she can rely on..." She went on to say that if Obama took the nomination she would have to consider whether to vote for somebody else (read:McCain) or not at all.

I repeatedly asked, "Why, Why? They are so similar on this issues, why?" I received no clear answers, no legitimate response, just vague references to fancy speeches don't matter, no experience, I just don't like what he represents and so on...

My conclusion of the first guy is he has some kind of problem with race. Whether he wants to admit it or not I think he somehow felt Obama was benefiting from saying he was black & able to get more votes because he is would be the quote on quote first black president.

I actually agreed with the second lady until she couldn't back up why she wouldn't vote for Obama if he won fairly.

So my overall conclusion is some Hillary supporters aren't seeing reason. In what world is McCain the best alternative to voting for Hillary:confused:


The only people who can see McSame as an alternative to Hillary are right wing Republicans...Real Democrats and Independents see Obama as the best equipped to change the direction of the country and move it in the right direction.



43 Delegates to go!

Ten/Four 06-02-2008 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyB06 (Post 1661542)
HRC is playing a politically detrimental game long term at this point. Politicians do each other like this all the time. "No permanent allies, only permanent interests" as the saying goes. They'll make up and move on to the next political fight.

Out in the country however, where constituencies tend to focus in only periodically, IMO she's done longterm damage to the "Clinton" brand name vis-a-vis Black America. People can respect, and at one time applaud, her campaign and how she waged it, but she's had no endgame for a quite a while now.

Going forward, I think HRC's future ability to attract AfAm votes (nationally) is pretty much nil at this point.

I agree. CNN is reporting that most of the uncommitted Senate superdelegates will throw their support to Obama. And Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid are also asking all uncommitted superdelegates to make their decision known by the end of this week.


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