whats the connection between Hiro's father and claire's grandmother in connetcion to the secret they have?

I wonder if he is responsible for bringing them all together because of what he does in the past

SARK!!!!! NOOOOOOO!!!!

I'm getting so unbelievably frustrated, the episode player won't play!!!! ugh!!! it just keeps coming up with a big @ss black box saying to select an episode, meanwhile, it keeps playing, like i can hear it but not see anything. OMG!!!:mad::mad::mad:
Well, what i saw so far looks great.... :rolleyes:

It could have been a better season premiere, but I am very intrigued by the Benett/Mohinder/Parkman/Molly storyline.
I am also very curious as what the Latina girl's power is that kills tons of people and makes them bleed from the eyes.
The Hiro story is not that interesting to me, and I really can't believe they killed off his dad in the first episode...what a waste!

I think her brother somehow stops her power from happening. Nothing happened until they were seperated...

I'm with you on the Bennett/Mohinder.... storyline. I wonder who it is (not necessarily the individual guy, but the group) that finally "took the bait".

Do you think Hiro becomes Kensai Takado, and that's how he ends up with the sword? I really like Hiro, but I honestly hate the fact that they brought time travel into the whole show. That just messes up everything - he could easily just go back in time and "fix" things. :rolleyes:

SYdney...I was thinking the exact same thing!!!

Ok...here we go....Hiro is actually his father's progenitor......as crazy as it sounds, that's where I think this is going!

He is the reason why his father was part of a secret super group and I think we will find out more about that this season.

here is the clue


http://www.ew.com/ew


scroll down to the lower left side.....on the cover (just saw the mag on the newsstand) Hiro is dressed in Samurai Armor.

It makes sense...Hiro is obsessed with his mission so....why not?

and WHY is peter chained up in Ireland...I get the amnesia part...he probably lost his mind in shock.....anyone thinks that big brother or the company had anything to do with it and his having thier mark on him?

No, if Nathan knew about Peter being alive, he'd be there in an instant. I'm not sure about the company... but I think it's another force. He must have fallen to earth somewhere.

Ok.....let's roll with that...what I am wondering now is Nathan looking in the mirror and seeing burnt flesh....did he also absorb some of peter's power to regenerate? He must have if he survived that blast....

I thought Nathan saw Peter when he looked in the mirror. I know that doesn't make much sense, but I thought (until now) that he saw Peter's face looking back at him. Maybe it was to tell Nathan (and us) that Peter is still alive?

Now, about Nathan absorbing some of Peter's power. I'm not sure that's what happened. I imagined that either (1) at some point in the sky, when Peter was far enough from Earth, Nathan let go... and flew far enough away from Peter to survive; OR (2) Nathan flew with Peter long enough for Peter to absorb his ability to fly, at which point, Nathan returned to Earth, and Peter flew until he exploded.

Peter could already fly, however the creators of the show said he that because he was losing control of the explosion he was unable to "do" anything else.

I thought he saw Peter as well. I think he's 50% sure Peter's never coming back and 50% unable to let go just in case.

I didn't realize the creators had said this. I guess the first option (from my earlier post) would still explain how Nathan didn't die. I guess I just don't want to believe that Nathan now has Peter's same abilities.

There's no reason he should. He's not an "empath" If he was healed, it was by someone with healing abilities, not himself. But I don't think that's the issue.

I didn't think Nathan saw Peter in the mirror; I thought he saw himself and that's why he has the beard (to cover up scar tissue).

About Peter
 

I was talking to a co-worker about show and she thought I had missed a major plot point: Peter was in the shipping container.

^Did you quit watching before the show was over? That was a pretty major thing to miss.

One that it seems others missed as well.
And, for me at least, it just did not click until my conversation.

And if not than, I am sure it would have next week.
At whcih point I would say "Duh" or something close to that.

that actually makers sense considering he was in a bar getting drunk....

http://heroes-pictures.com/albums/captures/2x01/730.jpg

This may confuse and clarify things....

Is it the past? Is it imagination?

That looks (at least to me) more like Peter than Nathan...but at first I thought it was Nathan and that is was symbolic for his internal heartbreak/scarring. I really didn't know what to make of that or what to think about the fact that he actually is still alive (I mean he basically promised to stick with Peter until the end so I originally assumed he died too until his ass showed up in episode 1 season 2!) So now I'm just really confused...:confused:

And I also agree the whole Hiro in ancient Japan with whiteguywhoissupposedtobeasiandude is kinda boring, strange, don't know where they are going with this, etc...I wish they focused more on the person that can see Molly back. WHO IS THIS? WHERE IS SYLAR? WHAT IS GOING ON!!!! AHHH! (so confused. but still getting it... but TOTALLY glad to have fine-ass Peter back on screen!) :D

Ignoring the hair in front of the face, which is soooo peter, it's Nathan's jaw and brow.

That said they look a LOT a like. I do know it isn't Sylar who's in Molly's dreams. It's the villain of season 2...

I just want to point out that Time Travel has been an integral part of Hiro's story from the beginning....

When he came to NYC...it was either 3 or 6 months...Future Hiro going back in time to talk to Peter...."Save the Cheerleader, Save the World"....many instance in the future. Not to mention that one eppy what 5 years in the future with Sylar posing as Nathan.

We know that Hiro has trouble controlling his ability...that waitress in TX and the loss of his power (again control)...I might think going back to 1671 (not sure of correct year) is a bit much, but perhaps not....beginning of the company with the symbol.

But to say that this eppy/beginning of this season introduced time travel is incorrect.

I don't think she was trying to say time travel was new. Just that she preferred that they had never gone there.

Bingo. I know time travel has always been part of the show - I just don't like it.

Ok dumb question....


If Hiro's destiny was to time travel back and from what we can see....start a 'company' that included his decendents (father included)...isn't he in a sense going in a circle doing the same thing over and over creating split realities?

This is one of the many reasons I think it was a mistake to bring time travel (TT) into the show. Who's to say that Hiro is the only one who can do it? If all the "good" heroes eventually win, there's nothing that says the victory won't just be omitted by the "bad" hero who can TT and fix things the way (s)he wants to.

I realize it's a science fiction show, and TT is just part of it. But because of TT, the story will never feel like it can reach an actual conclusion (unless all the TT-capable heroes are killed off).

"The battle for the future will be fought in he past"

...wasn't this a tagline from Terminator?

Well we've only just seen our first duplication in powers. Also I don't think it's all that easy for Hiro, even Hiro who can stop time easily, to time travel. It tends to happen accidentally under severe stress. But time travel can have different rules... clearly Hiro will fix things because nothing has changed in the present, or this is what always happened in the first place. If he caused his lack of existence, would he disappear or continue on with no parents?

Moving outside of time for (relatively) short instances, or moving short distances without changing time seems par for the course. Making those BIG steps and moving distances and time aren't as easy. (Who's read A Swiftly Tilting Planet by Madeline L'Engle... same idea)

Here you will find a blog by the director of the season 2 opener, 'Four Months Later". If you scroll down to the 7th paragraph, you will see this little bit:

"Nathan, who was so in control and determined as a political candidate last year, has seemingly lost it all and has no goals. He drinks alone in a bar and is haunted by a disfigured version of himself. Who is this vision and what is the symbolism behind his horrible disfigurement?"

Octavia butler's Kindred dealt with Time travel in this manner as well

Yes! It's been a while since I read that series of hers so I'd forgotten.

I am gonna sound nutsos for this...what EXACTLY is Nickie's power besides her uber strong other persona?


She's like a sexier scarier version of Harvey Dent.....

I think the consensus is, Niki's strong. Jessica is a real person, her sister, and has the ability to possess someone which she did before she died.

yeah, i don't really know if she has any other powers... I don't really get her character....

This is going to a a real interesting season.:)

i knowwww i can't wait until next week!!!! :D
My favorite character is claire, maybe because she's young or something, but I just love her story (including her dad and the patrelli connection... andddd this new cute boy with powers :) )

*don't read unless you've watched!!!*


Peter is the ultimate in cool! I can't wait to figure out what happened to him. Didn't the preview for next week make you DIE LAUGHING?
"THE BOX"!!!! What is inside "The Box" it was like watching a poorly made SNL skit.

I love the White Japanese guy, what is he like the original evolutionary? That's so cool that he's the first, but WHY HIM? It'll be nice to see where his beginning leads all of these people, maybe they're descendants of his?

Love that the Haitian came back into play. So glad to see him show up, I love it when old friends pop in and I can't wait to see the other 7 paintings. The memory loss scene was HILARIOUS! Mohinder is soooo hot!

Love Parkman, happy that Mrs. Petrelli got the isht beat out of her! But WHO was doing that? Sad for Nathan.

Maya and her twin brother are really some messed up isht! What the heck is that. Did anybody else feel that the whole "crying Mary" was just a bit too cliche for the Hispanic characters? I mean, that's not even that cool, just really freaky and overly religious.

Claire-that's your TOE! WTF were you thinking...EW!

There's so much more but I can't even get it all out! LOVE Heroes!

ROFLMAO!!!!!! I Knowwwwww

I didn't even think about it from the "crying Mary perspective... I saw them more as a ying/yang combo - she seems almost "evil" and able to kill with her tears and apparently he is good and sucks that out of her and can heal people she has killed. they balance each other