LOL.

It was a very stupid commercial that probably didn't introduce Burger King to people who had never heard of Burger King.

ETA: Yeah, Carl's not BK. LOL.

Hardee's tried a whole lot of sexism in their commercials. I guess it worked as it became known as the "man's fast food chain." Hardee's SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS. No pun intended. I guess that's why I don't see too many Hardee's.

I don't consider it harmless in the big scheme of things. It's only less harmful than fraternities doing the "hot women, look at us" routine because men have more gender power than women.

I was thinking the same thing about the advertising/marketing discussion! I'm wracking my brain trying to remember a class I took a million years ago.

Dang, no Hardee's here either...apparently I'm missing all the good ones. LOL.

Advertising FAIL. I couldn't even remember which burger it tried to sell me.

Fair enough.

I've seen it referenced as "Hardee's/Carl, Jr."

Does this mean they are the same company? In that case, many people probably noticed and patronized this company more because of those stupid commercials. Advertising SUCCESS?

Fail because I just remembered the woman in the bikini. I forgot which brand she was representing. Probably the lack of the big golden arches, or the "HAVE IT YOUR WAY" with the BK logo. Branding FAIL.

:) This discussion has now come full circle.

I hope those sorority chapters eventually get the memo that we already have. :)

LOL!

Now i want some charbroiled burger with sesame seeds (BK)

I realize that. But I'd bet money that the stitched-letters criteria has its roots in the distinction I was making (many pages ago now).

Sorry, but I just can't think of any context where intentionally embarrassing someone is anything but ill-mannered.

Then don't YOU do it.

Also, there is no universal standard for what is considered embarassing someone and ill-mannered. :)

Known perp continuing to wear letters even when s/he has been "quietly" warned not to wear them?

I know from my discussions with NPHC members that letters are taken much more seriously than in NPC/IFC chapters. So i can see how the reaction of a non-NPHC member wearing NPHC letters would reflect this. I was blown away that it is unacceptable to wear NPHC letters in any pattern (like polka dots) or any color that isn't theirs (with the exception of neutrals like white/black/gray.)

NPHC chapters (from what NPHC members told me, I could be wrong) follow rules that NPC's are supposed to follow but don't. Like having letters on your behind. No NPHC member would ever do this (again, what I was told) This is done a lot in NPC's, but someone from a greek apparel company told me that according to licensing, no NPC org technically permits that, however it is still popular and done. My chapter has a rule against this, and we follow it, but others don't.

^^^ I obviously can't speak definitively on NPHC, but the same often holds true in LGLOs and MCGLOs.

That's part of the reason that I didn't see the difference between stitched vs screen printed, but I stand by my initial response: different strokes for different folks ;)

I see how that is the most silly/superficial thing ever and how that doesn't make sense to you, but I know why. Just like others have said, usually if something is screenprinted, it is for an event, where people who aren't members can attend and are given shirts. Block stitch letters denotes being a member by tradition. Screenprint does not.

Also, a relevant story, one of my sisters is a double legacy to another sorority and wore her mothers letters to hs (not knowing what that meant) and there was a pic of her on fb in them. She took that down immediately when she realized how terrible that looked/was super embarrassed. No one really saw it since it was a super old random pic amongst hundreds. Some people really just don't know if they aren't familiar with the system.

Didn't say it was silly -- just different.

True, but different rules for different fabrics of letters does sound silly if I say so myself, and a lot of others have commented along those lines.

To be clear, I didn't say it is ill-mannered to embarrass someone. I said it is ill-mannered to intentionally embarrass someone. If one's intent is to let some non-member know that they shouldn't be wearing letters, then there's not necessarily any intentional embarrassment even if there is actual embarrassment.

But I'll defer to your wisdom and insight. This time. ;)

Maybe. Maybe. (And I'll readily admit that I haven't been faced with this situation, nor do I think it is as common with my org as it may be with some others.)

But again, my comment was couched in terms of "getting back to the original topic of this thread," which started with this gem:

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNFSigmaChi (Post 191144) I was shopping the other day for a mothers day present when i saw this guy wearing a UF Greek Week shirt. So i was like hey man what Fraternity are you in, im a Sigma Chi?" Hes like what makes you think im in a fraternity??? Im like ummmm welll maybe that greek week shirt. And he says haha oh ya well im on the UF soccer team and one of my teammates left it at my place and I just wear it for the greek letters. So im like oh so your trying to act cool then huh?! He got a little pissed and was like hey i play soccer for UF, i am cool. Im like well would you get pissed if you saw someone wearing a UF soccer shirt who didn't play soccer for UF. Hes like hell ya i would....and then i laughed and was like well why the hell are you wearing a Greek week shirt when YOUR NOT GREEK!!! He didn't say anything and his friends laughed at him. It was so great! Anyways thought i had to share.

There are ways to get your point across to an @$$ without being an @$$ youself.

Not true. That varies by organization and chapter.

The main point is that outsiders' opinions don't matter. It is great to discuss different perspectives but they truly mean nothing.

LOLWUT at this whole thread.

Also, I find the thread title to be embarrassing.

Rationales vary.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...x255z6GIKB8tmQ
Don't patronize me. LOL.

Sometimes. Sometimes not. That's why rationales vary and it depends on the context.

I wasn't patronizing you. :(

This time.

*stealing your coffee*

NOW WHAT?!

Careful, or I just may form some intent to embarrass you.

:eek:

*backing awaaaaay from the keyboard*

:eek:

Here's the thing...stitched letters haven't been around since the dawn of GLOs. Look at some yearbooks (from ANY school) from the 1960s or 1970s, and I'll bet even if people are wearing letters or jersey-type shirts, there isn't a stitched letter in the bunch. It's all screen print.

MC - I get what you are saying but I highly doubt there is anything WRITTEN in any national GLO's policies that differentiates between types of letters (stitched vs screen print). It's all campus culture silliness.

Well of course I'd be surprised if there was any national GLO policy about stitched letters. I'm just saying it's likely one of those things that over time has warped from "only members wear letters in a way that could be seen as a sign of membership" to "only members wear stitched letters," without much thought being given to the reason of the distinction. It just became tradition, and like lots of traditions people don't necessarily remember how it started.

And it may not have been the case everywhere, but jerseys with stitched letters were quite common around here in the 70s; I remember more of them than I do screen printed letters.

Same with me, only I was 90s. Lots of stitched letters, limited screen letters.

I was pretty sure that stitched letters were still common on my campus, so I checked out the panhellenic website. It appears that they are, based in part on this photo of chapter presidents: http://www.greeks.tcu.edu/phc.html

ETA: Bama bid day shirts are jerseys with stitched letters, correct?

Ditto at Kentucky. I would also add that event shirts at UK were not done “way back”.

At UK, there was a sorority that actually had a jersey for their various event coaches. The sorority letters were stitched on the front, while on the back "Coach" was stitched. The jersey was in the colors of the sorority. So when the event was Sigma Chi Derby Day, a Sigma Chi wore one. When the Kappa Sigma Road Race was held, a Kappa Sigma wore one. For the Lambda Chi Alpha Watermelon Bust, a Lambda Chi Alpha wore one. And so on. No one – that I know of – got all discombobulated over it.

From pictures taken around the same time of other Sigma Chi chapters' Derby Day events, this seems to be rather common. In that a Sigma Chi Derby Day Coach wore the sorority’s letters. Either letters stitched on a jersey or screen letters on a tee.

It seems that in general, the campus culture has changed because shirts like these below seem to be more of the norm now. And not just for Sigma Chi and not just at UK. But on other campuses and for other Greek related events as well.

http://www.greekt-shirtsthatrock.com...ns/282734R.jpg

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile..._1291945_n.jpg

One of my sisters told me a story about how she saw a woman with a Lilly Pulitzer Delta Zeta print tote bag. When she asked the woman what chapter she was from she seemed really confused and asked her why she thought she was a Delta Zeta. When my sister told her that her bag was a Delta Zeta print, she just said she got it because she liked the design.

That's one thing I've always wondered about. Before I went Greek I always thought that if you were going to buy Greek licensed things you had to enter your membership number at checkout, I was really surprised when I found out you can just buy them willy nilly.

Also, I've heard of stories of GDIs getting stitched letters of "Gamma Delta Iota." Why would they waste their money by doing that?

Only speaking for my chapter (ADPhi) at my campus (UMass)..Protocol has remained the same over the yrs. Event or advertising shirts could be worn by non-members. but "Colors" or Letters could only be worn by brothers, little sisters when we had them, and SERIOUS girlfriends. Some of our chapters NEVER wear letters. Some let pledges wear them. Some teach our fraternity song to pledges, some don't, and are horrified if they hear them doing it.