Our pledges are allowed to wear whatever they want, except the membership quill pin

Though I kind of wish we had that rule where only initiated members can wear letters.

I guess there are different ways to handle the wearing of letters.

But, if a new Recruit/Pledge is allowed to wear letters, it does promote that chapter or GLO. I always thought that if they were good enough to be recruited then they should be able to say so.

Hi, I am a pround new associate of so and so GLO. Talk to me and see if I can interest you in joining us.

Wearing the Badge/Pin without being initiated of course is something differet all together.

In my sorority they can't techincally tell you that you are not allowed to wear stiched letters, but they strongly suggest we don't. My pledge class may wear spelled out letters (we can have a t-shirt that says Gamma Phi Beta), but we can't wear the greek letters in any form until initiation, when we've earned it. We can own them...most of us have the letters in our closets, but we wouldn''t dream of wearing them until we are full sisters. This is basically the norm for the campus.

IMHO, you should "learn" sisterhood, not "earn" it.

I'm in favor of all members...new and old...wearing letters.

We "earn" membership and "learn" sisterhood.

:) I'm glad that "pledges" wearing letters isn't up to individual chapters' opinions for Delta. This thread is really old so this stuff has been said over and over.

At my chapter the new members were not allowed to wear anything that had the greek letters on them except for panhellenic shirts that had everyone's letters on them or shirts that had our name spelled out. They were given their first set of letters "shirt form" after initiation

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Just like everyone else, our girls can wear the letters but I dont think we let them wear the crest.

But I kind of wish they weren't allowed to wear the letters until initiated. I think it would be more of a privilege to them once they were initiated!

And that is a problem? :confused:

If you or yours may happen to Haze is that alright also as long as it is not known?

If The New Members are not good enough to have them wear letters why were they pledged in the first place?

They do not know Your or anyone elses Ritual secrets so hide them under a basket instead of proudly saying Hi, I am a new member of So and So GLO!

Makes me not want to join yours or any other who does not like me enough to be proud enough to be with You.:rolleyes:

That's ok because I don't see Delta Sigma Theta inviting you to join anywhere in the foreseeable future.

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Tom Earp, from the 2 sentences that made sense, your questions have been answered in this thread already.

Ditto @ cuteASAbug

Difference in terminology. Our new members, i.e., new initiates can wear our letters. Our candidates for membership (formerly know as pledges) cannot.

at my school, none of the organizations really let their new members wear letters as soon as they are pinned, but then again we really don't have a bid day either. We however, decided it would be in our best interest to give girls shirts saying something! we will spell it out on a shirt for them, and we give them little presents with letters, and they have a secret sister (we call it a rosebuddy) that gives them lettered things (cups, car stickers, pens, notepads, etc).

also, another thing that we do differently (and that caught on as a really big trend here) was we let our new members wear letters for their big little night. the big sisters will go out and buy a hoodie with our letters on it, and it will say so-and-so's little. its kind of like a gift to the new members since big little is supposed to be really special! we let them wear the hoodie all day to class the next day, and if we are having a letter day on campus or philanthropic event or something until they are iniated.

sometimes its easier to help new members understand the significance of their letters by giving them the opportunity to wear them. it gives the girls a sense of pride and belonging that a spelled out tshirt or some gift could say. they should not be considered "earned", because a quality new member has the grades and the class to surpass any form of "earning" you can toss at her. the real responsibility starts when they finally have their big sis to mentor them, and to help them with anything they may ever need. generally we do big sis around midterms, and it is great to see the girls studying together and hanging out and going to meetings while still being able to fulfill their academic and financial responsibilities. the girls keep their big/little hoodies forever, it is something that is never passed down as a senior send off gift. it means so much when you get your big sister, and it means so much to the bigs whenever they get their little(s)! these hoodies are more revered than any trophy greek week could ever win!

another thing: we did have some strange opposition from other groups at first. some would be confused if our new members were iniated, and then i guess their new members would complain that so and so gets letters.. so basically now almost all groups do it. its really cute when u see the new girls wearing letters for the first time, they get really excited and i absolutely love it. guys on the otherhand think that on this campus its a sign of weaknes... some are starting to come around though now that its becomming more mainstream. you never know what type of trend you may start just by doing things a little differently, and even if there is some confusion or strange looks at first, just ignore it and keep trendsetting! because true weakness is the inability to adapt to new situations, improvise old situations, and overcome negative values and beliefs!

When we join, we were able to immediately start wearing our letters. They actually gave us a shirt and a bag on bid day with our letters.

However, we could own nothing with our crest on it until after initiation. That also goes with our lavalier.

this is how i would have thought most where. i have never heard of pledges wearing letter n such. in my eyes that defeats the point of saying they earn it. i mean why? i love the idea of the jerseys with the screen letters on it and then the stiched letters after they corss. thats cool .:D

In my sorority, you do not "earn" letters. New Members go through a new member education where they learn about the organization.

After you figure out what to do about your sorority (the one who has the same letters as an already existing group), you might want to invest in some spell check. Thanks. :)

Ditto!

yea. maybe i used the wrong "terminology" i didn't mean to get on any1's bad side i was just saying that its a cool idea....... i don't see the place for a hostile remark in that..... dang mybad

you're new here, you'll get used to it.

OTW, thanks for taking the time to post what many of us were thinking. Personally, I was just too tired of this tired ol' thread to post!


Oh, and Jessie...

"termination" = terminology?!? LOL Spellcheck won't catch everything!

Fairleigh Dickinson, huh? Nice.

Really. I wonder if any National Staff would be interested in that tidbit of information...

The most interesting people tend to come from that chapter.

You cannot "earn" the right to be a Gamma Phi Beta. It is an honour to be invited to membership, and after careful preparation to be initiated into full sisterhood.
The ability to drink copious amounts of alcohol, do strenous exercises, sucumb to peer pressure, fit a physical stereotype, endure humiliation, or any other of dozens of "tests" sometimes put forth as a way to earn Greek letters is not what we look for in our potential members. Sincerity, dedication, intelligence, depth of character, and yes, love, learning, labor and loyalty are the distinquishing characteristics of our members.
Our pledges are allowed to wear our letters from day one, although the crest is reserved for initiated members, as is our badge. I am proud to be a member not because it means I have successfully run an obstacle course, but because I am a part of an organization of women whose creed means more to me with each passing year.

*applause* I don't think that I could say this any better.

Woa i didn't even realize that. I was dictating to my younger bro who is also on here....guess i won't be doing that again lol
is there even a spell check on here? let me know :)

Is this typed verbatim from some member manual?

just to clear something up

I am obviously not familiar with ALL GLOs in existence. I (and that means I as in me personally in my experience or to my knowledge at my school) have never heard of any of them allowing anyone in the NMEP/pledges to wear letters. I mean non initiated members wear letters but, again in my experiance wearing letters was something to look forward to thats why it was strange for me to hear that it is allowed in some orgs. Hey you learn something new everyday :)
As a member of the Greek senate the term that was used (again at my school) was "earn" this is why I used that word, that Is what I am familiar with. It does not have anything to do with hazing when the GS used it. Think of it like this just as you earn an A in class by studying, getting help when needed, understanding and retaining the information then passing the class. It is in its own way very similar to the new member ed program. That is what I meant
furthermore, I personally wouldn’t want to be a part of something where they ridicule, humiliate, inflict physical or mental harm etc. “to belong” That’s just me. I come from a long line of family members who have though, so I have seen it and it just does not appeal to me at all.
Once again I have to say that this is MY personal experience with I have had in front of me. That post that seemed incredibly misconstrued was not meant to sound like I was speaking of all orgs or anything like that. Every1 has a different processes and termination…oops did I do it again I mean terminology…lol... even same orgs from different chapters vary in things like that. So if I gave any1 reason to get defensive my bad.

Hopefully I spelled everything right …… but if I didn’t I am sure someone will tell me;)

You don't need to explain yourself in terms of what "earn" means. (I can't speak on the issue with whatever org you're in)

I and many others are familiar with the different meanings of "earn." I figured you didn't mean hazing, although some do equate "earn" with hazing. OTW's and SWTX's responses to your post read like PR statements. :)

Ironically my sister is GPhi and Right before I graduated we, as in Greek Senate voted yes on a new chapter! I am very aware of the process and reputation as well as the commitment and dedication to community service and upholding academic standards. GPhiB was one of the 2 that where approved for new chapters on campus (the other being sigma pi fraternity) in my time on the board. You def speak the truth. Your attitude toward your sorority is similar to the girls who I know personally and who I know on a business level (the ones who came to request the new chapter) this is part of what lead us to the approving verdict. I think its great.:D

It really doesn't have to be either-or. Sure, oftentimes when people say "earn letters," they mean survive hazing, so I can see why people might very well want to steer clear of talking about "earning" letters. But there's no reason to assume that "earning" = hazing. Earning letters can also mean demonstrating "sincerity, dedication, intelligence, depth of character," and a desire to learn about and contribute to the fraternity.

We've had this discussion many times, but I'll say it again: Unlike NPC sororities, most fraternities with which I'm familiar (NIC or non-NIC) have two votes on new members -- one on whether to issue a bid and pledge the guy and a second at the end of the pledge period on whether to initiate him. Under this set-up, there is built in to the process a decision on whether the pledge has demonstrated that the chapter was right in offering him a bid and pledging him. So even without any hazing at all, there is still a sense that the pledge has "proven his worth" and is deserving of the honor of initiation. (And I won't make this post even longer than it is by going into my theory on why the idea of earning initiation and proving worth has a very real, deep-seated resonance for males.)

The general regulations of my fraternity state that only initiated brothers are permitted to wear our letters. There are, as I see it, two reasons for this. First, until the probationary member is initiated, he is not a brother and there remains the chance that he won't be initiated. Second, until he is initiated, he does not know what the letters mean; only those who know what they mean wear them.

And another questions I've asked before: why is wearing letters different from wearing or owning anything with the coat-of-arms? I've seen many say that their new members can certainly wear letters (sometimes suggesting that it's hazing not to allow them to do so), but that the coat-of-arms are reserved only for initiated members. What's the difference?

This isn't an issue about who's right and who's wrong -- it's simply about recognizing the different orgs do things in different ways. If allowing your new members to wear letters fits in with your understanding of the "preperatory" experience leading up to initiation, great! Go for it! But there's no need to assume that other orgs are wrong because they approach things differently.

Nope, just me ranting. :)

I agree.

Then again, the amount of restrictions and weight that has been placed on little pieces of fabric on a sweatshirt in the last 10 or so years is insane to me.

My main problem with the term "earn" is when, for example, you earn a paycheck, you are given money in return for completing certain tasks. Becoming a member of a GLO is almost always far more complex than that. Perhaps it is simply a matter of semantics, but just about every time some talks about "earning their letters" there seems to be an undercurrent of hazing.

The crest is reserved for initiated members because it is a symbol of a member who has gone through initiation. Circular, I know, but there you go.
The first day you accept your bid you have an idea of what the letters mean - an incomplete understanding, of course, but at least an elementary one. Through your new member education period you will come to know more, and of course at initiation all will be explained. The crest serves, as does the badge, as a symbol of a member who has completed their education and gone through, if you will, their graduation. Consider it a form of diploma!

This isn't true for every group - which I believe is why some NPCs don't allow pledges to wear letters.

I should write a disclaimer that my opinions are mine and mine alone, are not in any way ,shape or form official pronouncements from Gamma Phi, and are based only on my experience with Gamma Phi and not any other NPC or GLO. Your mileage may vary, tax, title and license not included.

I see your point, and I'm not so much arguing in favor of the word "earn" as noting that it can be used in a completely nonhazing context.

I actually don't think it's circular at all; it makes perfect sense to me. We just treat our letters the same way.

Not so with us, unless one wants to argue that anyone should have an idea of what our principles are by how we conduct ourselves.

It is so considered. :D

Just curious -- would you say that you earned your college diploma through study and hard work, or was it an unearned honor bestowed on you?

Sorry, I just couldn't resist. :p

SWTXB writes well. She's published. She has a way with the pen!

It's amazing to me that when someone on here is articulate, the assumption is that they must have copied it from somewhere.

:rolleyes:

I don't think it's the fact that the post was articulate that prompted DSTCHAOS to ask that, it was the content of the post.

AS YOU WELL KNOW, MYSTIC CAT :p -Here's the difference - anyone who meets the entrance requirements can enter my alma mater. Meet the graduation requirements for a degree, and boom! You get what you earned.
If my degree were honorary, it would have been given to me in recognition of my fabulousness and would have not been earned in the conventional sense.
While anyone who meets the Panhellenic requirements can go through recruitment, receiving a bid is an honour bestowed because of a pnm's fabulousness (code for top-secret membership selection criteria).
If your GLO does it differently I don't mean to criticize - unless you equate "earning" with "hazing", in which case, YES I mean to criticize. (General "you", not you specifically, Mystic Cat). If I have learned nothing else on Greek Chat, I've learned that there is more than one way to skin a cat (!), and if it works for your GLO, more power to you.