Let's recap for the slow ones that joine OPhiA:

1) Your sister came on and insulted people in the Ivies and top tier schools: "Fuck the Ivies".

2) Your sister doesn't have the basic comprehension of the difference in student populations at Harvard and Devry. It's not just about GPA. I'm not here to educate someone on something so basic.

3) Your sister then started taking the thread further off course by badgering people to tell her that they don't think OPhiA is a real sorority. It has nothing to do with this thread and it's annoying on top of that.

4) Your sister insulted me in her remarks on my reasoning in this thread and went into another thread to say something about the angry Republican. (Note: Me saying I'm a Republican was a sarcastic remark to get someone to shutup about an irrelevant question).

5) I put your sister on ignore and the topic is squashed.

6) Another brilliant OPhiA from the same chapter just so happens to come on here and stir things up again.

7) I put you on ignore because you are so "brilliant" that you keep pushing this and trying to pursue a road that will ultimately lead to you insulting me. Enjoy Einstein.

-Rudey
--Step by step all for the brilliant ones.

Do you realize that you are insulting a group of people or not Tom?

I know you've proven yourself really well in the real world with your job and all, but I think those weak workers from Yale may catch up to you some day.

And nobody is saying to drop all the non-tier 1 schools. I'm saying that there is a focus on big party/state schools as opposed to these schools. Given the risk and upsides involved, it doesn't make much sense to me and maybe others. I don't see why the smaller old fraternities at these top tier schools would want to merge into a larger crowd. I am sure their alumni would be none too happy about it.

-Rudey

You're right. Sorry about that.

-Rudey

Rudey, You are correct about mergers. I am sure none would wnat to, but economics may just dictate the fact that they may have to some day.

Insulting a group of people? Where from!

It is still a given fact that a school name can mean a lot for the first job, but an individual still has to prove themsevles.

When I went to work for Macys, they flat told us that "Now", We will teach you about Retailing and had their own schooling.

Why are people thinking the economics are bad for these smaller fraternities? I would think that they have wealthy alumni that have supported them well. Plus they're not in the news for water torture and such acts, so they're not getting sued as often probably. I don't know though, but those are my thoughts.

-Rudey

I think you are speaking more of male fraternities now, but in case you are still including sororities (women's fraternities), I wonder if some of the reason that GLOs have not opened more chapters at the Ivies is because they don't seem to want us. Just looking at the history of sororities at the Ivy League Schools, it has been very spotty. I am not sure if you would include Barnard as Ivy League, since it technically is not, but since Columbia was not available to women until 1983, I will use it as a starting place. Of course AOII and AEPhi were founded there, but many other sororities (10 total) had chapters there prior to the banning of Greek Life in the early 1900s. Brown followed suit and also banned Greek Life around the same time.

Likewise, Columbia, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, and Princeton seem to have limited Greek Life - perhaps because the universities did not admit women until fairly recently. I seem to recall that some of these campuses have unrecognized Greek Life as well, but I am not sure about that. I would think that would be a huge deterrent for any GLO.

Contrastly, Cornell and Penn seem to be bastions for Ivy League Greek Life and tons of sororities have chapters there, but a lot have closed as well. (I believe Penn has 8 active chapters and 10 closed chapters, while Cornell has 12 active chapters and 6 closed chapters.)

Just in summary, it seems that only one women's fraternity is truly entrenched in the Ivy League schools - Theta has chapters at all but one - Dartmouth - which closed in 1992. Alpha Chi has chapters at 4 Ivies, and a bunch have chapters at 3 schools. I just wonder how much of that is due to the climate at these universities rather than the GLOs not wanting to go there. Just a thought.

Rudey, what if You are a member of a smaller, say Union Triad Greek Organizatin. They do not expand very much.

As You say there are a lot of Wealthy Alums out there, do they always give money? Granted some do and some dont, true.

But as You said, the big party schools with big Chapters, are many of them that get into trouble also. It is not just 1-Tier or lower Tier Schools, the same thing can happen no matter where.


irishpipes,

I am not sure if this applies to only Fraternitys or not?

There seems to be More Sororitys that are getting into trouble also!:(

Again, Economics can come down to distruction or mergering.

What is the alternative?