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RACooper 07-07-2005 10:00 AM

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Originally posted by UKTriDelt
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I *heart* Fox News (especially Bill O'Reilly)

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Just don't call him a journalist (or honest for that matter).... I'm sorry but he's such a pompous tool, who is more than happy to lie or make-up facts in order to support his skewed rants/views... which makes his "no spin zone" mantra laughable...

Rudey 07-07-2005 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Just don't call him a journalist (or honest for that matter).... I'm sorry but he's such a pompous tool, who is more than happy to lie or make-up facts in order to support his skewed rants/views... which makes his "no spin zone" mantra laughable...
The thing is that it's an American news station and you are a Canadian that can't seem to stop commenting on it. Often times this is just a bit insulting to some, so one would think that you may want to stop.

-Rudey

AGDee 07-07-2005 01:02 PM

the thread that never dies...
 
Rudey, do you pay people to keep bumping this thread? :p

RACooper 07-07-2005 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
The thing is that it's an American news station and you are a Canadian that can't seem to stop commenting on it. Often times this is just a bit insulting to some, so one would think that you may want to stop.

-Rudey

Well considering he's on the TV here in Canada... and that he (and others at Fox) feel the need to comment on Canada - why can't I comment on him? Further to that if he feels the need to outright lie during these rants about Canada what is wrong with calling him a liar?

After all Billy Boy was so outraged by Rather using a false/hoax document... but at least Rather had a document - Billy doesn't even bother to take that step... now does that make him a greater liar, or just lazy?

UKTriDelt 07-07-2005 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Well considering he's on the TV here in Canada... and that he (and others at Fox) feel the need to comment on Canada - why can't I comment on him? Further to that if he feels the need to outright lie during these rants about Canada what is wrong with calling him a liar?

After all Billy Boy was so outraged by Rather using a false/hoax document... but at least Rather had a document - Billy doesn't even bother to take that step... now does that make him a greater liar, or just lazy?

Can you provide examples?

RACooper 07-07-2005 07:18 PM

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Originally posted by UKTriDelt
Can you provide examples?
Sure...

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FOX's O'Reilly fabricated evidence of success of purported boycott of French imports

Host Bill O'Reilly threatened Canada with a boycott like the one he advocated against France, then cited a phony statistic about the success of the French boycott. The threat came during O'Reilly's April 27 debate with Toronto Globe and Mail columnist Heather Mallick about Canada's harboring of two deserters from the U.S. military who have fled to Canada. From FOX News Channel's The O'Reilly Factor:

O'REILLY: Now if the [Canadian] government -- if your government harbors these two deserter [sic], doesn't send them back ... there will be a boycott of your country which will hurt your country enormously. France is now feeling that sting.

MALLICK: I don't think for a moment such a boycott would take place because we are your biggest trading partners.

O'REILLY: No, it will take place, madam. In France ...

MALLICK: I don't think that your French boycott has done too well ...

O'REILLY: ...they've lost billions of dollars in France according to "The Paris Business Review."

MALLICK: I think that's nonsense.

Media Matters for America found no evidence of a publication named "The Paris Business Review." A Google.com search revealed no mentions of "Paris Business Review," "Revue des Affaires de Paris," or any similar French name. A LexisNexis search for "Paris," "France," or "French" within five words of "business review" produced no relevant results. There is a journal called "European Business Review," which is published in England; however, over the past two years, "European Business Review" has not mentioned an American boycott of France.

Furthermore, contrary to O'Reilly's claim that France has lost "billions of dollars" due to an American boycott, American imports from France have actually increased since international tensions with France began in the months prior to the start of the war in Iraq in March 2003. According to the U.S. Census Bureau, in February 2004, the United States imported $2.26 billion in French goods and services, up from $2.18 billion in February 2002.

Two days later, on the April 29 episode of The O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly plugged a poll on his personal website, BillOReilly.com: "A new BillOReilly.com poll asks you the question will you boycott Canadian goods and services if that country does not return two American deserters who are being glorified by some of the Canadian media?'"
Taken from Media Matters:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405020006

Or you can watch the video on the CBC website that I listed a few posts back.

RACooper 07-07-2005 08:55 PM

Well the best arguement for bias in reporting/talking heads on Fox would be the coverage on Bill O'Reilly I'm watching right now...

So far I have heard all of Europe called cowards, the European media called concerted liberal operation/anti-American cabal, calls for a Biblical crusade against Pakistan/Iran/Syria, advocation of letting Israel "nuke" Iran.... etc.

All this without dissenting opinion or point, counterpoint - that is a bias, and that is promoting an agenda under the guise of journalism.

Rudey 07-07-2005 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Well the best arguement for bias in reporting/talking heads on Fox would be the coverage on Bill O'Reilly I'm watching right now...

So far I have heard all of Europe called cowards, the European media called concerted liberal operation/anti-American cabal, calls for a Biblical crusade against Pakistan/Iran/Syria, advocation of letting Israel "nuke" Iran.... etc.

All this without dissenting opinion or point, counterpoint - that is a bias, and that is promoting an agenda under the guise of journalism.

No it's an opinion forum. Bill O'Reilly doesn't come on daily to report news. It's what every news network has.

-Rudey

LexiKD 07-07-2005 10:53 PM

Keep it up Rudey! Fox news is the only news.
I may flip to some others that will reamain nameless just to see if anything has changed since election time, but I always come back to good old Fox News!
No news is 100% but more often than not Fox reports the real story and even gives two sides.

RACooper 07-07-2005 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by LexiKD
No news is 100% but more often than not Fox reports the real story and even gives two sides.
Which two sides? Conservative and Right Wing? or perhaps French bashing and Canada bashing? or German bashing and Spainish bashing? or the White House's view and the Pentagon's view? ;)

FOXNews would be more credible if they actually tried to get, or more importantly allow, opinions from varying sources on the political landscape speak (without being interupted or bullied). Another way to improve their journalist cache/honour would be to lay off the continuing editorializing/opinion spewing during reporting... and lastly to stop trying to pass off opinion/talking head folks as news.

LexiKD 07-07-2005 11:04 PM

Actually Fox has many lefties on payroll. Maybe if you watched a little more you may be able to see that...I mean that in the nicest way possible.
I find that many anti right wing peolpe get so mad at what is being said that they don't wait for the entire story. If you are only watching Bill O' then yes but the rest of the shows have many different views.

RACooper 07-07-2005 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by LexiKD
Actually Fox has many lefties on payroll. Maybe if you watched a little more you may be able to see that...I mean that in the nicest way possible.
I find that many anti right wing peolpe get so mad at what is being said that they don't wait for the entire story. If you are only watching Bill O' then yes but the rest of the shows have many different views.

Actually FOXNews is in my top 3 of news programs to watch - the two others being CBC and CNN...

My problems apply to most of the programing actually, even during standard news pieces a judgemental bias of sorts seems to seep in, as well as say an overly nationalist (don't mind patriotism) bent to commentary... case in point would be the reporting on Aruba - in effect FOXNews has pretty much come off as judge and jury; while at the same time constantly hounding and intruding on the investigate/search - actions that may well have compromised the investigation and search. I have noticed that the reports of the backlash by the Arubans against FOXNews has appeared in the FOXNews broadcasting....

LexiKD 07-08-2005 05:31 PM

well that's when each of us have to use our own minds and sift through all that is said. I find that for Fox News there is less for me to sift through b/c they are usually on target, more so then the rest.

Tom Earp 07-08-2005 05:47 PM

Well, all I want is Unbiased News!

ot Brits or American Tabiloid BS.

Just give Me the Friggen News, I am an Adult, let me see it not give BS Commentary!:mad:

That is why I look at more than just one!

FOX unabashied to be sure but lets see real news, make up your mind!

Oh Yes, I do email them when They act like ass hats!:)

Maybe You should too!:D


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