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Love_Spell_6 11-21-2003 09:38 PM

The BS begins
 
I saw an interview of the alleged victim's father...and he is saying his ex wife is doing this for the money...and that she shouldn't have custody for letting their son spend the night there...

PS - I'm still going to buy Michael's greatest hits lol!

DELTABRAT 11-21-2003 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
GO to http://www.cnn.com

to see video of his arrest and Jermaine's interview.


I am still at work and speakerless so I can't hear/see it.

How much f*cking gel does Jermaine have in his friggin' hair? Geesh!

Dionysus 11-21-2003 10:28 PM

What do Michael Jackson and shoe polish have in common?












They both come in little cans.

darling1 11-21-2003 11:16 PM

girl!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by DELTABRAT
How much f*cking gel does Jermaine have in his friggin' hair? Geesh!

you know he's gotta keep his S-CURL TIGHT!!!

lovelyivy84 11-21-2003 11:44 PM

Re: girl!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by darling1
you know he's gotta keep his S-CURL TIGHT!!!
Seeeee that is what happens without the benefit of our EXCELLENT fashion advice.

You end up old and with an s-curl. Damn shame.

:p

CrimsonTide4 11-22-2003 11:52 AM

Lawyer Wants Jackson's Children Removed
 
Lawyer Wants Jackson's Children Removed
27 minutes ago

By JEREMIAH MARQUEZ, Associated Press Writer

LOS ANGELES - An attorney who has clashed with Michael Jackson (news) in the past is seeking a child-welfare probe of the pop star and urged authorities to take away custody of his three children because of the new sex abuse allegations.

Attorney Gloria Allred's demand came Friday, a day after Jackson posted $3 million bail in Santa Barbara and returned to Las Vegas, where he had been filming a music video.


While Jackson's whereabouts Saturday were unclear, fans planned to offer their support with candlelight vigils and rallies in cities around the world, including Los Angeles, New York, Rome, Budapest and London.


"It's really a symbolic action because it's being held all over the world. We would like our side of the story, our opinions, to be heard," said Diana d'Alo, one of the organizers of the London vigil.


Jackson, meanwhile, was apparently planning to return to his Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara County. His lawyer, Mark Geragos, told the Los Angeles Times he planned to meet with him there Saturday. He didn't say when.


Geragos had high praise for his client in his comments to the Times.


"Michael is one of the most brilliant, intelligent, strongest human beings I have ever had the pleasure of meeting," the lawyer said. "I couldn't be more impressed with him."


The Times, citing a source it didn't identify, said Jackson's accuser first reported the alleged molestation to a therapist, who in turn informed Santa Barbara County sheriff's officials last June. An arrest warrant alleges Jackson committed lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14.


Media reports have said the alleged victim is a 12- or 13-year-old cancer survivor who visited Jackson at Neverland, a storybook playland where the singer, who has befriended several cancer victims, was known to hold sleep-overs for children and share his bed with youngsters.


Allred briefly represented a 13-year-old boy involved in a molestation allegation against Jackson a decade ago. The case never led to criminal charges, but reportedly ended with Jackson, 45, paying a multimillion-dollar civil settlement.


At a news conference Friday, Allred said she has twice asked child-welfare officials to investigate Jackson.


She said she is concerned because of his statements about sleep-overs with children, the molestation allegations and an incident in which he dangled his baby son outside the window of a German hotel last year.


"I believe the children should be temporarily removed from Mr. Jackson's care and custody because of the history of Michael Jackson with children ... combined with present criminal allegations," she said.


Jackson spokesman Stuart Backerman had no comment on Allred's demand, but it was denounced by Brian Oxman, an attorney who has represented members of the Jackson family, although not Michael Jackson.


"It is outrageous that she should seek such media attention for her own aggrandizement. She is attacking Michael for her own benefit. She is a citizen who has no interest, no participation in this case. She has no client. She is injecting herself in this with ignorance and brazenness," Oxman said.


Jackson has two boys, 6-year-old Prince Michael I and the baby, Prince Michael II. He also has a 5-year-old daughter, Paris. Little is known about Prince Michael II, whose mother has not been identified. Prince Michael I and Paris were born during his marriage to nurse Debbie Rowe, which ended in 1999.


Allred said authorities have the power to intervene when there is a "substantial risk that a child will be sexually abused by his or her parent" and shouldn't wait until the outcome of any criminal case.





The Santa Barbara County district attorney does not plan to file charges until after Thanksgiving.

Michael X. Dean, deputy director of Santa Barbara County Social Services, has declined to say whether there are plans to take Jackson's children into custody.

Dean said that, generally, criminal charges can prompt a child welfare investigation, but he added that such an investigation is not automatic.

Jackson, meanwhile, was finding some sympathy among music associates.

Quincy Jones (news), producer of Jackson's landmark "Thriller" album, told the syndicated TV program "Access Hollywood" he was concerned about the media coverage of the case.

"I don't know what to think about it. We are bombarded all day with choices from the Beltway Sniper to Laci Peterson (news - web sites). It never stops, you know, sensationalism in the media," Jones said.

CrimsonTide4 11-22-2003 11:59 AM

Ask and Ye Shall Receive
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Questions404
The people on CNN were floored like I was. I would like to read the transcript of that conversation.
Jermaine Jackson: Brother's arrest a 'modern-day lynching'
Friday, November 21, 2003 Posted: 12:49 PM EST (1749 GMT)

(CNN) -- As pop musician Michael Jackson was being booked in the Santa Barbara County, California, Sheriff's Department on suspicion of child molestation, his brother Jermaine Jackson defended the international celebrity.

Jackson discussed the accusations with CNN anchor Kyra Phillips.

PHILLIPS: I want to ask you how are you feeling right now? I know you have been a big supporter of your brother. You have always come out publicly and supported him. What's going through your mind right now?

JACKSON: Well, first of all, I'd like to say the whole family supports Michael one hundred percent, one thousand percent.

Michael is innocent.

And just to let you know how I feel, I'm very disappointed in the system in which things were done. At the same time, Michael is in very strong spirits because he is innocent.

PHILLIPS: What has he told you?

JACKSON: We're tired of people -- I'm sick and [expletive] tired of people speaking on my brother's behalf and my family's behalf who do not know us.

So you put these people on national TV, on international TV, and they say these things, and the public is saying, 'Oh, wow, is he really like this?'

My brother is not eccentric.

We had an incredible, wonderful childhood.

And what they're doing is bringing him down with the very thing that he loved, his children and family.

My brother is about peace. They don't know us. But this will reveal itself.

But I'm sick and [expletive] tired about everybody saying these things about my family.

We will fight, and we will stand up. And everybody that knows this family around the world will support us. Because, at the end of the day, this is nothing but a modern-day lynching.

This is what they want to see, him in handcuffs.

You got it. But it won't be for long, I promise you.

PHILLIPS: Jermaine ...

JACKSON: I'm sick and tired.

PHILLIPS: And believe me, I ...

JACKSON: Sick and tired of this.

PHILLIPS: I have no idea what you are going through. I am definitely not in your shoes.

JACKSON: No, you don't know.

PHILLIPS: No, you're right. You are right.

JACKSON: You don't walk in my shoes or my family's shoes.

PHILLIPS: You are absolutely right.

JACKSON: You don't walk in our shoes, but you put these people on national television to say things. They don't know our family.

PHILLIPS: And that's why we have you ...

JACKSON: We are a family and we will continue to be a family. That's my love right there. And we support him one thousand percent.

I have nothing else to say.

Goodbye.

~~~~~~~~~
also from CNN.com

Jermaine Jackson calls for federal investigation
Family plans tour to promote Michael Jackson's new album

Friday, November 21, 2003 Posted: 11:23 PM EST (0423 GMT)

LAS VEGAS, Nevada (CNN) -- Jermaine Jackson said Friday that he will request a state and federal investigation into the authorities who are working on the child-molestation case against his younger brother, pop star Michael Jackson.

He defended his brother in an interview with ABC's Barbara Walters.

"He's not a criminal," Jermaine Jackson told Walters. "He's been innocent since day one, he's not a child molester, he's not a pedophile, and these things have got to stop.

"You got a bunch of racist, I'm sorry, racist rednecks out there who don't care about people.

"We are a family, my mother is very angry, we are all angry, and we're going to put our soldiers and generals together and prepare for war, that's what this is."

Jackson, 45, surrendered to the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department Thursday to face allegations of child molestation.

After he was booked, surrendered his passport and was released, Jackson returned to Las Vegas, where his father has a house.

Earlier Friday, Demetrius Brown, the chairman and CEO of CMX Sports and Entertainment, told CNN that Jackson had recorded an interview with one of the network television stations but would not confirm which one.

Brown also said that Jackson's family would be part of the interview but would not say who would take part. It's unclear whether Jermaine Jackson's interview is the one to which Brown referred.

CBS announced Wednesday that "given the gravity of the charges" against Jackson, it was postponing a program scheduled to be broadcast November 26 that was to be tied to his album "Number Ones," released this week. (Full story)

In a passionate telephone conversation with CNN on Thursday, Jermaine Jackson expressed outrage over recent commentary about the allegations, comparing it to "a modern-day lynching" of a man whose life has been "about peace."

He said he and his family support Michael "one thousand percent" because they believe he is innocent, and that he himself was furious.

"I am sick and tired of people speaking on my brother's behalf, and my family's behalf, who do not know us," he said. "So you put these people on national television or international television saying these things." (Full story)

The Jackson family also plans a tour to promote the album of Michael Jackson's No. 1 hits, Brown said.

"The Jackson family has regrouped and have formed a very close supporting cast for Michael, and it's business as usual for them," Brown said.

Stuart Backerman, Jackson's spokesman, issued a written statement after his arrest, calling the charges an "outrage."

"The big lie against Michael Jackson is anchored in the most vicious allegation imaginable, one that resonates across every culture: the spectacle of harming a child," Backerman said. "That spectacle invites outrage, and it should. But this spectacle is rooted in a lie."

The charges were filed under a California law that prohibits "lewd and lascivious" acts with a child under 14, Santa Barbara County officials said.

Authorities have released no details about the accuser or when the incidents were alleged to have occurred.

In 1993, Jackson was sued by the family of an alleged victim of child molestation.

Santa Barbara District Attorney Tom Sneddon was unable to pursue criminal charges because the accuser, who reached an out-of-court financial settlement with Jackson, decided not to testify.

Family friend Rick James told CNN that he believes authorities were pursuing Jackson "because he's black, he's rich and he's famous, and they've got nothing else better to do."


Jackson's booking photo
Sneddon told Court TV on Thursday that he is not pursuing a personal vendetta against Jackson.

"Anybody who thinks I've spent 10 years waiting to do something to Michael Jackson has not got a clue," he said. "To think it's for political reasons is total poppycock. I'm not running for re-election, I'm retiring in three years.

"It is a serious case, it deserves serious discretion to be used," Sneddon said. "The sheriff and I have committed we're going to handle it like any other case to the extent we can. No special treatment one way or the other, and that's the way we view it."

Michael Jackson has hired celebrity attorney Mark Geragos to defend him.

Geragos is involved in another high-profile California case as the defense lawyer for Scott Peterson, accused of murder in the deaths of his wife and unborn son. (Geragos profile)

Formal charges won't be filed against Jackson until after Thanksgiving, Sneddon's office said.

Jackson is to be arraigned January 9 in Santa Barbara Superior Court.

A conviction on a single count of child molestation can carry a prison sentence of up to eight years. Authorities have also called on the public to come forward with any information that may point to other possible victims.

Jackson's 2,600-acre Neverland ranch was searched for more than 13 hours Tuesday in connection with the investigation, as were two unidentified sites in Southern California.

Complaint questions Jackson's role as father
Attorney Gloria Allred filed a formal complaint with the Santa Barbara County Department of Child Welfare Services on Friday to request an investigation into the welfare of the singer's three children.

"I believe that the children should be temporarily removed from Mr. Jackson's care and custody because of the history of Michael Jackson with children and his statements that I have outlined, combined with the present criminal allegations," Allred said at a news conference at her law office in Los Angeles, California.

Allred has filed two similar complaints with the same department in the past year against Jackson. She referred to a February interview broadcast in Britain in which Jackson discussed sleeping with various children in his bed.

Allred also cited the incident last year in Germany in which Jackson dangled his infant son over the fourth floor balcony of a hotel as fans screamed below.

Representatives of the Department of Child Welfare Services would not say if any action would be taken on Allred's complaint.

It said complaints made by non-family members are considered individually on the merits of each case.

Jackson, 45, has two children with his ex-wife, Debbie Rowe -- Prince Michael, 6, and Paris, 5. Little is known about Jackson's youngest son, Prince Michael II, who is believed to be about 2 and was born to another woman.

The children are believed to be with Jackson in Las Vegas.

CNN correspondent David Mattingly contributed to this article.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
Now maybe it's just me but why are they planning a tour??**coughcareerboosttononJanetandMichaelsibsco ugh**
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/LAW/11/20/...y.jermaine.jpg
Jermaine HAS to have that exonomy TUB SIZE version of AmproStyle Gel in his bathroom, car, etc. LESS IS MORE!!!!

Questions404 11-22-2003 12:20 PM

Re: Ask and Ye Shall Receive
 
Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Jermaine Jackson: Brother's arrest a 'modern-day lynching'
Friday, November 21, 2003 Posted: 12:49 PM EST (1749 GMT)

JACKSON: We're tired of people -- I'm sick and [expletive] tired of people speaking on my brother's behalf and my family's behalf who do not know us.

So you put these people on national TV, on international TV, and they say these things, and the public is saying, 'Oh, wow, is he really like this?'

My brother is not eccentric.

We had an incredible, wonderful childhood.

And what they're doing is bringing him down with the very thing that he loved, his children and family.

My brother is about peace. They don't know us. But this will reveal itself.

But I'm sick and [expletive] tired about everybody saying these things about my family.

We will fight, and we will stand up. And everybody that knows this family around the world will support us. Because, at the end of the day, this is nothing but a modern-day lynching.

This is what they want to see, him in handcuffs.

You got it. But it won't be for long, I promise you.

PHILLIPS: Jermaine ...

JACKSON: I'm sick and tired.

PHILLIPS: And believe me, I ...

JACKSON: Sick and tired of this.

PHILLIPS: I have no idea what you are going through. I am definitely not in your shoes.

JACKSON: No, you don't know.

PHILLIPS: No, you're right. You are right.

JACKSON: You don't walk in my shoes or my family's shoes.

PHILLIPS: You are absolutely right.

JACKSON: You don't walk in our shoes, but you put these people on national television to say things. They don't know our family.

PHILLIPS: And that's why we have you ...

JACKSON: We are a family and we will continue to be a family. That's my love right there. And we support him one thousand percent.

I have nothing else to say.

Goodbye.


This is the part that I was talking about. He just went bananas all of a sudden. I am not sure what I would do in his position (since I would never be in the position of trying to defend the self-proclaimed King of Pop on molestation charges since I would have done everything in my power to make sure no more babies were spending the night in my brother's house). I just wanted him not to be so irrate all of a sudden. It's like he snapped or something -- saying that his brother is not eccentric was something that got me . . . there is a carnival going on at his house and he honestly doesn't think that Michael is eccentric.

TonyB06 11-22-2003 12:40 PM

I can see his point, to a degree. Who among us wouldn't feel the pressure seeing a relative in this situation (deserved or not) where the whole country thought your peeps was some kind of "sick freak?"

At some point, beneath the professionalism in all of us, lives at least an element of "the hood;" once it's exposed, it's sho ya a$$ time. Besides the anger I'd imagine it's prolly a bit embarassing as well for the family. Of course, if Mike was getting his freaky on, you'd hope the family was doing all they could to get MJ to pull up off that behavior.

and whoever put up that MJ/Joan Crawford comparison shot was not right for that....erriely on point, but not right. yall got issues.

:p

darling1 11-22-2003 06:52 PM

Re: Re: girl!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by lovelyivy84
Seeeee that is what happens without the benefit of our EXCELLENT fashion advice.

You end up old and with an s-curl. Damn shame.

:p

basically, if he'd listened he would have gotten rid of the process/perm or whatever he has and got himself a hawaiian silky..bwahahahaha :eek: :p

Honeykiss1974 11-22-2003 08:44 PM

Re: Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun Michael
 
Quote:

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL114/...7/38642293.jpg

How did I miss this pic? *LOLOL*

RedefinedDiva 11-22-2003 10:45 PM

Jermaine was well within his rights to go off. The Jacksons are always a target of controversy. I just hope that it isn't all in vain. Jermaine came out in Michael's defense last time. I hope that Michael really isn't a "chester." :rolleyes:

Questions404 11-23-2003 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedefinedDiva
I hope that Michael really isn't a "chester." :rolleyes:
Wow . . . CHESTER . . . I haven't heard that in a million years.

In Atlanta on one of the radio stations, there is a "Leave Me Alone" contest. Anytime a listener hears those words from Michael Jackson's song, the listener can call in and win a lot of Michael Jackson memorabilia. They are also playing a bit on the station where one of the radio personalities is talking to herself as if she is going off on someone about how she believes that Michael Jackson is innocent. V-103 is running naked through the street with this one.

Is R. Kelly's trial coming up anytime soon? It seems like the Kobe Bryant case is coming up faster than R. Kelly's case and the Kobe entanglement happened later in the year.

ClassyLady 11-23-2003 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RedefinedDiva
I hope that Michael really isn't a "chester." :rolleyes:
I was feeling the same way until I watched coverage of this story on MSNBC. They showed footage of a secret bedroom that MJ has that is only accessible through a trapdoor in his closet. The room is all decked out for a child. Why in the world does a grown man need a secret child's room?

If it had been just a normal room, then maybe it could have been a safe room in case of a break-in. But, there is really no explanation for this.

Honeykiss1974 11-24-2003 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ClassyLady
I was feeling the same way until I watched coverage of this story on MSNBC. They showed footage of a secret bedroom that MJ has that is only accessible through a trapdoor in his closet. The room is all decked out for a child. Why in the world does a grown man need a secret child's room?

If it had been just a normal room, then maybe it could have been a safe room in case of a break-in. But, there is really no explanation for this.

I heard about this room (on the radio). It was in a story that also featured a young man, who back when he was younger, spent time at Neverland. He was coming out in support of Michael.

I am really speechless at this!

Quote:

Jermaine HAS to have that exonomy TUB SIZE version of AmproStyle Gel in his bathroom, car, etc. LESS IS MORE!!!!
SMH as I crack up!! CT4, CT4.......... *LOL*


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