NEICY, IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, EVERYONE DOES FIND YOUR POSTS DISRESPECTFUL, SO IN ESSENCE, LOVELYIVY IS SPEAKING FOR US.

WHO CARES WHAT PROBLEMS YOU HAVE, WE ARE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY YOU FORMULATE YOUR POSTS. IF YOU TRULY DIDN'T CARE YOU WOULDN'T WASTE YOUR TIME RESPONDING. BUT YOU OBVIOUSLY DO, HENCE THIS THREAD IS ABOUT 75% ACTUAL TOPIC AND 25% OF PEOPLE TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT.

THE BRICK WALL WAS IN NO WAY SIMILAR TO YOUR OWN COMMENTS. NUMBER THREE MAKES ZERO SENSE.

Basically Neicy, the reason why I actually respond to your nonsense is this:

Since you do actually have valid points buried deep, deep, deep beneath your mindless banter, and since those valid points are in agreeance with many other posters on these topics, you are causing the rest of us to fall under your umbrella. To elaborate on that, the people who are actually trying to make progress on these boards with intelligent counter-arguments are being grouped in with you and your counter-arguments which LACK intelligence and reasoning, simply because both bear the same opinion. Make sense? Sigh.

Man, Oh, Man
 

Welllllll.

Let's not even go into what is aggressive and not aggressive. I read this ENTIRE thread before posting, and I agree with Sapphire Sweetie that this just needs to take a rest. Ignore **whatever** is eliciting such a forceful response and it shouldn't be a problem.

Second... I see something that hasn't been addressed. Yes, many people agree that perhaps, since not one (non-biracial) Black woman has made it past rush, perhaps the NPC orgs don't really want them and have found various reasons to keep it that way. I don't know. ( Let me capitalize that: I DON'T KNOW... I WASN'T THERE.)

However, one person made the very important point that she thought one girl disappeared because she was ridiculed by members of another black sorority.

So how 'bout this: Has anyone looked at the force of the pressure within the black community at UAB? (it is UAB, right?) Why and how can it be that if one individual from the Black community feels she wants to rush one way, her right to do so isn't respected? I'd think that if a woman didn't want to be specifically in a black GLO... then the members wouldn't take the time out to convince her otherwise, assuming she's done her research... much less ridicule and taunt her because she claims that right. are you Kidding Me?

what do youall think?

and for the record, I spent part of my childhood in Tuskegee Alabama and still visit regularly. So I know the climate.

that's my $.02.

Ok, everyone. Here's what we all need to do. Since some you (including myself) would like Neicy to state why she feels that Alabama is one of the most racist state (facts and evidence). Until she does state why she feels that way about Alabama, we don't not respond to her replies or comments we are only adding to the fire.

Everyone let's get back to the original topic here. The topic is "Rejected black rushee starts Multicutural Sorority at U. of Alabama" "Rejected black rushee starts multicutural sorority at U of Alabama".

I currently live in Alabama near the U of AL, and I have not noticed that the state is more segregated than many other states in which I have lived (I was a military brat, so I've lived in a LOT of places!).
Actually, the UA is in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, about 50 miles west of Birmingham. UAB is actually in Birmingham.

I don't think that it's the fact that no non-biracial black women have made it through rush at UA that's the problem. I think the biggest problem, as Bama_Alumna has stated, is that no black women (other than M. Twilley) have attempted to go through NPC rush. Is this correct? From what I have seen, I'm pretty sure that *some* of this is due to the pressure on black women who are interested in greek life to pledge traditionally black sororities.
I have heard a lot about the new MCGLO that is being started at the UA and I think it's great. Good luck to you, TempleOne! Please keep us posted on how things are going for you. When will you hold recruitment?
I also would like to say that, as an alum of Gamma Phi Beta sorority, I have had some contact with the ladies of the Epsilon Lambda chapter at Alabama. I have met Christina Houston...she is a lovely girl. After her interview with the school newspaper last year, she was very upset to have been misquoted. Please let me clear up this misconception. She DID say that "the N words went flying," but she was talking about a date with a fraternity boy at a football game, NOT about her sorority sisters. Not that it's ok for a fraternity man to be saying that word, but I just wanted to let you know that it was not her sorority sisters that she was talking about, even though the reporter made it sound that way. I believe she even wrote a letter to the editor to clear this up. Also, some of you have stated that Christina does not "look black," and I think she would not appreciate that comment. She has a medium skin tone, dark eyes and black hair. I don't think it's fair to say that she "looks black" or "looks white." She has features of both races and she a wonderful girl inside and out.
Bama_Alumna, I don't know the solution to the integration problem at the UA. I agree that it will take both sides to resolve the issue. I do believe that if an African american woman decides to go through NPC rush, and she meets the same qualifications of membership as all other rushees, she will be given a bid by some house. What do you think?

-GPB

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Re: Man, Oh, Man
 

Consider it done! I would rather waste my time watching paint dry, at least SOMETHING would have gotten accomplished from that activity.

Hey librasoul, my car could really use a paint job. Ya up for it? ;)

LOL!

No she really would rather argue I think, lol. A fatal flaw that many of us share, but I am opting out at this point.

It's only fun when someone can construct a coherent argument back.

neicy81,

I would say go on posting the way you want.

For the record your posting style doesn't phaze me. But I am not a very "sensitive" person. Meaning other people don't easily get under my skin.

And I am sure that some of your observations are valid.

I will point something out to you. Which some of our friends may have been trying to say with various degrees of success.

ITs all about the argument. So phrasing and style should always strengthen your ability to persuade your audience.

Your own style is sometimes less important than the style that your audience is willing to read, because its them you are trying to persuade.

I have seen that with my own posts. If I write using a style that the audience is unaccustomed to, or doesn't like, they feel free to ignore me, or seize upon some small thing that has nothing to do with the argument itself and spin the debate onto a tangent.

Of course a caveat is that when I structure a well reasoned argument that is less than palatable, the post just gets ignored and the debate swirls around it . . . LOL

In your case, many of the posters may not have a good refutation to your argument, so they clog the threads up with comments about your posts, not the issues in it.

Like bad chess players they don't try and out play you, they try and destroy all your pieces.

They can still win that way LOL. It just lacks style.

So for example, instead of confronting the issue of racism in Alabama Colleges, people decide to post again and again about how you used a generalization and try to alter the argument to say that there is racism everywhere.

Or the tone of your writing is hostile.

This changes the discussion from Alabama which is less palatable to some.

Predictable, but boring. *yawn*

However, it is your fault they are able to do this, because you know by now that people like to try that argument style. So by posting in a way that others can easily find fault with you allow them to derail the argument from your points.

You might want to consider changing some of your argument style so that people can't win arguments against you over frivolous matters.

Sorry this rambles but I am late for work.

Have a nice day everyone :)

Thanks for the tip on which one UA is...

I think what i was trying to address was the pressure you mentioned on Black women to pledge only historically black sororities. Where is that coming from? What size is the black greek community at UA so that this pressure exists? I'm trying to hit at all sides of the problem... so, yeah, Miss Twilley(sp?) didn't get into a WGLO... she also didn't get into a BGLO. What's the deal there?? If she was oriented to WGLO's that's fine... you don't hear of her coming under fire from the BGLO's. Why not?

Christina's appearance also does come into play here, as unpalatable as that may be. Fact is, she doesn't have extremely dark skin, or other heavily African features. So I don't know to what extent, but IMHO, that probably helped her escape the pressure from the BGLO's that's been mentioned.
And the fact is, that if she didn't have to identify with the Black community because of the automatically segregating factor of her appearance, then she didn't face one of the obstacles to the WGLO rush signup that apparently other Black freshmen do. Which community does she more readily identify with? Not how she sees herself, but how do others see her? Who is she with more often? She may not appreciate that comment... but my reality has shown me that people interact with you based on how you look. And (again, in my opinion) doesn't have the features that'll scream "BLACK WOMAN" when she hits the door, especially to those unfamiliar with the Vanilla-to-Plum spectrum of Black features. Or, to put it another way, she has to tell people that she's part black. So she didn't come in under the pressure. That's race in this country will do for you, take it or leave it.

This is all my opinion. What do youall think?

Actually Ms Twilley was on one talk show on BET to talk about her not getting accepted into a Panhell sorority and the question was asked if she tried to get into a BGLO and she said that she never had any interest in a BGLO.

lol @ fuzzie...I never work for free!

Sigh, lovelyivy, you are so right about it being no fun anymore.

James, you are right too, let her post however she wants. Long as people do not group her with those who have the same argument, except a coherent way of expressing it.

Maybe some of us have been posting wrong, ( ESPC ) as if you know me, My brain dont get to fingers!

I have just read some of the most Intelligent posts on this Site and I for one thank all of you!:) I admire you for using your minds and talent to see what we as GCers try to Do!

I see just one person who wants to fight with anyone who posts on this thread whether you agree or disagree!

Thank you for putting some sanity on this thread! I am in your debt!:cool: e


KUDDOS to each and everyone!:)

PALEEZE, Give Us a Break! Your ego and self importance is underwhellming!

You just do not get it do you!

It seems that when some of the Afican-American Ladies tell you that you are wrong, you still do not hear! Ah maybe they are becoming to white for you!

No one has a problem with the way you post facts if they are correct!

You go on and on and attack everyone who has tried to work with and help you! I dont care if it is Black or white or Any other Color! You attack all!

Climb back into your hole or where ever you came up from! You just dont get the Big Picture do you!?

Get a life and get on so we can do what this site is here for to help each other and work out problems amongs Greeks!

By The Way, Are YOU A MEMBER OF A GREEK ORGANIZATION?

If You have the nearve to tell Us Please Do!

It is better to be a boil on someones ass than a nobody!

Oh, That is sarcasim!:p

Librasoul22 is not my sorority sister, just cool peeps.