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Kappamd 03-31-2010 03:21 PM
^^^Amen. Bullying now is not about shoving people into lockers and calling them names on the playground. It's about intentionally setting people on fire as was the case in Florida, or rape like in this case. Sorry, but an "ass whooping" would be foolish and feeble as a response to a lot of the bullying that goes on in schools today.

Kappamd 03-31-2010 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DrPhil (Post 1912764)
She did NOT say it was the best and only answer to bullying.




As long as you're aware of the tone that you're adopting just because you disagree with her. :) GCers have a tendency to adopt a tone for ANY reason and then act shocked and holier than thou when people hand the tone back to them. :)
I am FULLY aware of my tone.

DrPhil 03-31-2010 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Kappamd (Post 1912767)
I am FULLY aware of my tone.
As am I.

knight_shadow 03-31-2010 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Prettyface08 (Post 1912763)
Could you please GET.THIS.SAID! Kids these days are bold, will follow you home and will try to fight adults if they get involved. These kids now fight in groups and use weapons. I'm all about standing up for yourself, and even fighting if you have to (my mom made sure of this) but you have to be careful.
Right.

I am more than able to defend myself, and thankfully, I've only had to get physical once in my life. I would have NEVER gone after an adult, though. You just didn't do that.

Now I see kids trying to punk teachers and administrators while they sit back and take it. It's sad.

Alumiyum 03-31-2010 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1912770)
Right.

I am more than able to defend myself, and thankfully, I've only had to get physical once in my life. I would have NEVER gone after an adult, though. You just didn't do that.

Now I see kids trying to punk teachers and administrators while they sit back and take it. It's sad.
If a kid goes for a teacher it's hard to know how to respond. If a teacher responds aggressively verbally or physically they'll be crucified. Kids that go that far probably have bigger problems than just being a bully. It would be great if they were all offered help. I know they're not, though.

Prettyface08 03-31-2010 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1912770)
Right.

I am more than able to defend myself, and thankfully, I've only had to get physical once in my life. I would have NEVER gone after an adult, though. You just didn't do that.

Now I see kids trying to punk teachers and administrators while they sit back and take it. It's sad.
The problem for me is had I THOUGHT about it, my Mommy would have gone after ME and I would've gotten a lot worse than I could have done to the adult.

I have a guy friend who teaches middle school and says the kids beat up one of the female teachers. He's 6'5 with HUGE hands and told them pointedly that if they put their hands on her again and if they thought about hitting him *raising his huge hand up to the level of their face* he would be going to jail...for a long time!

epchick 03-31-2010 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MysticCat (Post 1912552)
This is one of those things that varies from state to state.
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Originally Posted by LegallyBrunette (Post 1912566)
This is not the law in MA. There is no requirement for a three year age difference.

Which is why I said......

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Originally Posted by epchick (Post 1912375)
So I guess I should being by saying i'm specifically talking about where I am, obviously the law might be different where this girl is at.

deepimpact2 03-31-2010 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Prettyface08 (Post 1912753)
But....at least their child would be alive. Why wouldn't someone consider transferring their child to a different school to keep them from being tormented and raped?

My mom wouldn't allow me to back down from anyone...this holds true to this very day. I don't know that she would have put me in a different school, but then again she would do anything to keep me from being hurt so it's possible that she would have. Kicking butt is cool, if you can fight. So suggesting that the solution is a good ole fashioned but whooping carries a little bit of a risk.
I just think it is absurd that you would cause that much disruption over a situation like that. Not only are you allowing your child to be bullied by other kids, but you are allowing YOURSELF to be bullied by those kids as well. And it is a sad day when adults let kids bully THEM.

knight_shadow 03-31-2010 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Alumiyum (Post 1912773)
If a kid goes for a teacher it's hard to know how to respond. If a teacher responds aggressively verbally or physically they'll be crucified. Kids that go that far probably have bigger problems than just being a bully. It would be great if they were all offered help. I know they're not, though.
I know that. My point was that my generation (ha!) never would have never gone after authority figures. We may have fought fellow students, but never an adult.

Fear of mom and dad having to leave work to come pick me up from school kept me from doing it, and most of my friend's were the same way.

ETA: prettyface08 beat me to it :)

Kappamd 03-31-2010 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1912770)
Right.

I am more than able to defend myself, and thankfully, I've only had to get physical once in my life. I would have NEVER gone after an adult, though. You just didn't do that.

Now I see kids trying to punk teachers and administrators while they sit back and take it. It's sad.

There was a case in the local paper recently where a 12 year-old student had acted up enough to warrant them calling security. The student then stabbed the officer in the side with a pair of scissors.

Lovely.

deepimpact2 03-31-2010 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Kappamd (Post 1912755)
deepimpact, I am appalled and disgusted that anyone could possibly believe that violence is the best answer to bullying. That is the most ignorant and naive thing I've heard since someone said those being bullied just need to "man up."

Oh wait, that was you too.
I don't much care whether you are appalled and disgusted. get over it.

There's nothing naive about what I said. It is naive to think that going in and complaining to school officials is always going to solve the problem.

Prettyface08 03-31-2010 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1912779)
I just think it is absurd that you would cause that much disruption over a situation like that. Not only are you allowing your child to be bullied by other kids, but you are allowing YOURSELF to be bullied by those kids as well. And it is a sad day when adults let kids bully THEM.
O...k.....

Kappamd 03-31-2010 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by deepimpact2 (Post 1912783)
I don't much care whether you are appalled and disgusted. get over it.

There's nothing naive about what I said. It is naive to think that going in and complaining to school officials is always going to solve the problem.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Because that's what I said.

Prettyface08 03-31-2010 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by knight_shadow (Post 1912781)
I know that. My point was that my generation (ha!) never would have never gone after authority figures. We may have fought fellow students, but never an adult.

Fear of mom and dad having to leave work to come pick me up from school kept me from doing it, and most of my friend's were the same way.

ETA: prettyface08 beat me to it :)
Shooooot! I know the game LOL

knight_shadow 03-31-2010 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Prettyface08 (Post 1912786)
Shooooot! I know the game LOL
Haha!

I wonder if there have been any studies trying to figure out what caused this shift from "us being scared of parents" to "us wanting to fight parents and other adults?" I'd be interested in reading up on that.


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