I was wondering why they were buying all these new appliances when they had washer and dryers before and the house came with kitchen appliances...then I realized Whirpool gave them all these new appliances. The product placement in this episode drove me nuts. No John I dont want to hear about the great POPCORN function on your new Whirlpool microwave (as if no other microwave has that) and Kate you can stop singing about your Whirpool Duet washer/dryer. I use to like the show a lot more before they starting doing a ridiculous amount of product placement in their episodes. I got a DVR to not watch commercials so I prefer them to not show up in my shows as much as they show up on J&K!

I have to say that the whole tone of this show has changed, and not for the better. Kate is so horrible to Jon all the time! Those interview scenes where she gripes and picks at him are becoming painful to watch. It's almost as if she is stuck in biotch mode. Does she ever playback these episodes and really note how often she complains?

The show is more about Kate and her struggles cleaning the fridge - and evidently she just gave up and got a new one? Her love of her new appliances, how great she is at everything compared to Jon, etc. I think we need to get back to THE KIDS!

Just once in this season, I would like to hear Kate talk in a positive tone about her children - what a joy they are, etc WITHOUT qualifying it with some sort of negative, snarky comment. This is typical: "I am just so happy the kids have such nice bedrooms (positive)... because they are a real nightmare to put down in the evenings and now I can't hear them whine" (Snarky additional comment).

Plus, I am just really curious about the whole Jody situation and that has clouded my opinion of Kate...

^^I agree.

It also bothered me a bit during the episode when they were showing the new house to the kids when John and Kate showed the kids their bedroom they were all "take a look around because this will be the last time that you come in here". Then Kate went on to complain about how she and John haven't been able to have much "mommy daddy" time. Hello, you have 8 children, 6 of which are still fairly young and have needs, you knew what you were getting into when you realized that you were having 6 more children. In my opinion, if she's that desperate to have "mommy daddy" time then she and John should just wait until their children are asleep or until they are all in school.

I guess I just really don't see the harm in telling the kids not to come into their bedroom. I wasn't allowed into my parents' bedroom, and I was the only kid. The kids have tons of other places to roam about.

It's not that serious.

I can certainly see that parents are entitled to privacy, etc and I agree that using and abusing the parents' bedroom can be curtailed. We have a Please Don't use Our Bathroom policy at our house.

But, again, my issues with Kate are the way she says things. It's as if she thinks being a bad ass is the cool way to parent...I think that is really what is behind the outcry over Kate banning them from her bedroom.

So, what is a child supposed to do when he/she gets sick (which always happens in the middle of the night), or has a bad dream? Knocking first, sure - but total banishment?

I get the feeling that sick kids and bad dreams are the exemptions from the banishment. Think what you will about Jon and Kate, but even they're not the kind of horrible parents who don't take care of their sick kids. The kids have probably been hung out it mom and dad's room at least a dozen times by now.

I don't know about you guys, but I certainly don't believe everything that comes out of their mouths.

Kate has another book coming out...

http://www.amazon.com/Eight-Little-F...pd_rhf_p_img_2

And you can get it in a bundle with her first AND the Duggar's book! SCORE!

I shouldn't mock.....I read the first book and actually really enjoyed it. :o

I actually felt sorry for Mady in this episode. She obviously feels so frustrated all of the time! The whole naming the puppy bit was such a big deal to her - just another example of how she reacts so strongly to being manhandled and powerless. I am the first one to say she needs discipline in most cases, but I am starting to sympathize with her because Kate is turning into such a B*%ch about everything.

Truthfully, I can't stand Kate anymore and I question almost all of her motives these days. But I love these little kiddos and I can't quit watching them! Aagh!

Intersting article about the Gosselins in Philadelphia Magazine

Interesting comments by readers
(I have to admit I am not a fan of the show because I cringe watching Kate cut Jon's cajones off time and time again. He needs to grow a pair!)

Interesting comparison by one of the posters to the Dionnes. Although there were so many more things involved in that, like the Dionnes being French and the Canadian gov't trying to downplay that fact.

Jon parties! Plays Beer Pong!
 

So apparently Jon finally had enough - and went out partying while visiting his mom. Good discussion of what it might all mean -


http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteur...e_plus_scandal

Between annoying Kate and all those kids, he needed some "me" time.

I haven't watched the show in a few weeks. Do they have babysitters sometimes? Both Jon and Kate need "me" time and "couple" time outside of the kids. Their family situation makes me cringe everytime I watch it.

Healthy "me" time?
 

Well, when I (mother of a mere 4) go to "party", it isn't playing beer pong with young men 1/2 my age. Nope, I tend to go out with my friends, or even my husband. I think there is appropriate mommy/daddy time, and then there's this. I am all for Jon having a good time, but the larger issue is what all this publicity means as far as the children's well-being. Is it in their best interest to be on the show? I think the Open Salon piece does a good job of pointing out some of the ramifications of it all. Given that he's married to Kate, I'm surprised the man isn't a raging alcoholic!:rolleyes:

He could've definitely picked a less collegey leisure time and one without the publicity.

How old is he?

I think most of the posts on FML are by him.

True.

Also, I *think* he's 31 or 32ish.

Yeah I think he's around 32-33. I know that he was around 23 when Cara & Mady were were born, and they (I believe) are going to turn 9 this year.

He was born in 1977. BF couldn't believe it when he found out he was older than Jon.

I saw the pictures of him and the girls at the bar and I honestly don't see what the big deal is. He looked sloshed, but it wasn't as if he had his hands on their boobs. The women looked like they were fans taking a picture with a celebrity.

If Jon Gosselin appeared wasted every week on tmz.com, I'd say he might have a problem. But he was on vacation visiting his mother. There are other kids out there whose parents commit atrocious behavior all the time. Worry about them instead. I think the Gosselin kids will be just fine.

Oh, and it's not cool to call someone an alcoholic if they haven't admitted that to themselves first. :)

I didn't - I said I was SURPRISED that, given he is married to Kate, he ISN'T. :)

Whatever. I don't feel it's right to use that term freely.

One still shouldn't assume that being married to someone like her would cause him to drink.

From the outside looking in, Jon and Kate look very dry, monotone, and boring.

It looks like they love the kids but just tolerate each other (i.e. "we're in this together").

On today's rerun, Jon and Kate gave each other a cordial kiss on the cheek and half-assed hug. Jon said "we love each other." I mean, couples say "I love you." But to constantly say "we love each other" seems like they're trying to convince themselves, each other, and probably everyone else.

It wasn't meant to be taken seriously - it was a JOKE. Hence the ;). I am sorry if you are offended.

In their defense - it is tough with a "normal" number of children to have a decent relationship with your spouse. I totally understand if they don't have a great deal of romance in their lives now. But I still don't like the way Kate treats him.

Yikes. How miserable.

Sorry SWTXBelle. It's not you. I'm just in an insanely foul mood today.

I'm sorry you are having a bad day, OTW. :(

Wow. Maybe it's a midwestern thing but people of all ages play beer pong. There was a beer pong tournament at MGM Casino the other day.

I think the other issue is how does Jon think his actions won't be noted and publicized? If you are selling your reality show on the basis of its wholesome family values, you have to realize your actions in public are under scrutiny. Thus the Salon blog's emphasis on the fact that the children are not in a position to say yea or nay to having their lives documented, and it can (as we've seen with other child celebrities) have a negative impact on their later life. I've been uncomfortable with the show since the Aunt Jodie incident, and am also a little curious as to why the extended families are not in the picture - that's weird, imho. Who turns their back on family when they have a challenge (lots of children, illness, whatever)? Would both sets of grandparents (Yes, I know Jon's father is dead) really not be in the picture if something weren't . . . I don't know . . . not quite right? I'm not really watching the show anymore. Looking forward to checking out "Table for 12".

Since it is a show, maybe the show's contract does not cover the extended family. Maybe the producers feel people are more interested in seeing Kate play Superwoman and Jon play the more reluctant superhero.

Other than that, maybe Kate doesn't want family to help at all because she likes being Superwoman and putting her all into her kids. Or maybe the family doesn't like them. It isn't that uncommon for family to eventually decide not to come around when coming around proves more trouble than it is worth.

I was going to say, I played Flip Cup on Friday night - Which is worse? Granted I'm not 33 with 8 kids but I'm certainly out of college.

Jon and Kate have explained it vaguely - that Kate's family "choses" not to be involved. TTBOMK, they never were around the 6. Church volunteers helped when the babies were itty bitty. And while I can see maybe having a personality conflict with some of your family, in light of the Aunt Jodie incident, I call shenanigans.

^^^I agree. I have been a little offput since the Aunt Jodie incident, too. I think it is a red flad when family disappears with only half hearted reasons to explain it. Something is starting to smell a bit at Jon and Kate Plus Eight.

Plus, unless it is my imagination, the whole tone of the show is different. Kate, please, please, stop telling us what a pain those kids,dogs,your lives are! I think we want to watch these cute kids to feel good.

Honestly, who really cares what he does? If it isn't harming the children, I don't see the big deal. It's dumb for Jon to have to "watch" his actions because it might reflect badly on the show. The children ARE in a position to say yea or nay, it is in the contract that Kate & Jon have. If at any time a child shows that they don't want the cameras filming them, the camera won't.

There is waaay more to the Aunt Jodie/Beth incident than Jodie's sister is saying. Of course you are going to spin the story one way, and the whole idea of Kate practically beating Collin over the gum is just a little too farfetched for me to believe Jodie's sister.

Not everyone has a happy family, where they get along with the extended family (i.e. grandparents). I don't think it's fishy that Kate and her parents don't get along. I don't blame her for not wanting them near the kids. We don't know what the seperation was about, maybe her parents are racist and don't like that Jon is Asian. Who knows.

Hmmm - I don't know the gum incident. I need to catch up on my internet gossip!
You bring up a good point about Kate's parents and their possible reasons for not being on tv...

But I have to disagree with the comment that the kids can say no. They are just now getting old enough to even be able to articulate that sort of decision. A group of multiples more than likely functions as a unit - pretty rare for one of them to really leave the group. Now, I think in another year or so that might change but the chances of one of them bucking their parents in any real way is rare for a preschooler.

I think we need a Barbara Walters interview to get to the bottom of this..lol.