I would just like to point out that this is impossible, as there are only 5 NPHC fraternities and 4 NPHC sororities.

As far as the remainder of the discussion in this thread, I could refer you to the websites of several BGLOs, AGLOs, LGLOs, and MCGLOs which would indeed educate you as to how the generalizations made here are pretty much ridiculous, but I doubt those of you with your opinions set in stone (about how pointless/unpopular/etc. these types of orgs are) would even look.

If you do indeed choose to take a look, one particular example is www.sigmalambdagamma.com - under Infrastructure, Sorority Entities, and then Chapters, you can find the individual chapter websites, all of which outline the diversity and purpose of the organization. Also on the national website, the Mission Statement, the Vision, and other goals/achievements can be found by perusing the links at the top of the page.

I said they were two of many reasons, specifically, "a number of reasons including..." I'm not suggesting that MC sororities and NPC sororities don't have things in common. Certainly we do! Let me ask you a question to help answer yours...why did you join Chi Omega and not Theta Nu Xi?

You state that you want a chapter that fits your interest and shares your ideals. The implication is above and beyond that. And, I know that you've said you wouldn't mind a non-white member who was like you.

I don't really understand what you are talking about, nor what point you are trying to make........but we celebrated our 150th this year at Alabama and my chapter will celebrate its 125th in 2007....and I would definitely be open to saying that we are a historically white organization.

Yes, I can read. Which is why I said in my post: "you said the above were two reasons you joined your org". I did not say they were the only reasons.

Why didn't I join your org? Well, firstly, they were not on my campus so I was not exposed to it. MCGLOs weren't yet too big when I was in school. Also, my mother is a Kappa, so I was familiar with NPC Greek life though was not "groomed" for it. I went through rush to see if NPC life at my school might be right for me, and I found that Chi Omega was what I wanted to be a part of.

I have no issue with MCGLOs. I agree they also have their niche.

However, you still have not answered my question:
what it is those women were looking for in their NPC orgs that you were "not at all" interested in?

Don't put words in my mouth. EVER, EVER, EVER. I never said I disliked anything!! I'd love to experience a big Southern rush, just to see what it's like, and I think it's awesome that so many alums are still involved. It just doesn't happen to be what I experienced, and I don't know that it would have been right FOR ME.

I don't think my sorority, or my college, is the best in the world. I think they were the best in the world FOR ME. Until you grow up and learn that lesson, you're going to have a lot of trouble being friends with anyone who doesn't think exactly like you.

Considering you pledged 13 years ago which would put you into the 30s, someone could raise the same question to you? Sorry if this came out rude, I don't mean to be I'm just wondering.

33, If you don't like my opinions, you probably wouldnt like southern greek life at a big southern school. If that is putting words in your mouth, whatever. It is probably similar to you claiming I look down upon everyone, which is untrue.

You should trust me, I don't "have trouble making friends." If I did, I don't think I'd look to you for advice on social matters of any sort. Even the hated fratty kids are VERY good at making friends, hence them being in top fraternities. Unlike in some other parts of the country, people don't generally join fraternities here because they can't make friends. In fact, the reason people do join big southern fraternities and sororities is because they are very socially capable.

There are lots of people older than or the same age as me posting.

I, however, don't keep saying how much Greek Chat sucks.

And thank you for proving my point.

Bows and Toes, come on man, give her a break. Going greek is for life, remember? Getting wrapped up in a career or a family is for losers.

Unlike being unable to see outside a very, very tiny corner of the world.

Your point was that you do the same things you chastise others for? Well, glad we proved that then.

Yeah, Atlanta, tiny corner of the world. Aw shucks, guess I'll hitch up the trailer and go into town. woo wee.

No, my point was that you can't go 2.5 seconds without a Southern! Fraternity! Life! Is! Great! reference.

Wow, you got me good on that one. Boo hoo!!!

Depending on the reasons why you want them.

If you don't agree with 33 shiner, you must be a backwoods inbred hillbilly who is not progressive enough to realize her advanced and grown up ideals! Maybe you will grow up one day.

one explanation mark would have been fine.

if people on this site value diversity so much why do yall always hate on us for giving our opinions. I mean by us posting here we are adding to the diversity of this board.

Southern Fraternity Life is Great - sorry i was a little behind the 2.5 seconds

Dio, you know I was being sarcastic, right?

Please excuse my disdain for non-round numbers. 8 NPHC chapters, 4 IFC and 4 NPC each with 50 members with a greek population making up 4% of the total population of 20,000 in the school. My point still stands.

What generalizations have I made? When did I even imply that your alphabet soup of acronyms was pointless, unpopular, etc? (This reads like a government budget) Clearly if people have taken oaths in the name of these groups they are at least popular to those people no?

Thank you for implying I did not care about anyone else's standards, but I in fact did read the aforementioned pages, and I fail to see how that is even relevant to what I said before. My point is that while "cultural awareness" and having sisters that are more likely not to be the same race as you may be high on your list of "desireable Greek Organization traits," for me it's not. I went in the direction of "virtue," "character," and "sacred purpose." Here, if you care to look - (http://www.thetachi.org/about/Creed.asp).

There is a difference between opinions and pronouncements.

pro·nounce·ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-nounsmnt)
n.
A formal expression of opinion; a judgment

It seemed like you were the one making judgments earlier about shinerbock, while he was just giving honest opinions?

thanks

I apologize, maybe you didn't catch my edit.

Yes.

I didn't.

He wasn't giving honest opinions IMO, he was making judgements - as he has been ever since he got here. But I guess you'd call my opinion of his judgement a judgement of his opinion.


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I don't think anyone who didn't choose the NPC route can really know what those women look for in their orgs for sure. I mean, there's something they wanted that I didn't that drew them to that, and I couldn't say for sure what that is. I know what drew me to my GLOs - first, with OPhiA, the strong commitment and focus on community service combined with sisterhood, which I hadn't seen before, and then, with Delta, again, the commitment and focus on community service (particularly the types of service), the strong life commitment and dedication I see in the members, and the emphasis on values I believe in. I am sure that if for some reason I had had to join an NPC group way back freshman year, I would have found somewhere I'd have been alright and gotten by okay, but it would not have been anywhere near as fulfilling for me. Because it's not where I belong. No offense :)

I am not at all offended by your choices.

My post was to Jeni because she specifically said she was "not at all" interested in the reasons the NPC ladies joined NPCs. I'd like to know what those reasons are. It seems like a pretty sweeping generalization. Especially, as you pointed out, she probably really doesn't know why those women chose an NPC.

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33girl, no they're my opinions. Everyone else seems to recognize this but you.

My two primary reasons for pursuing Theta Nu Xi over an NPC org were 1) the national push to create opportunities for and commit to hands-on community service (along with philanthropic giving) and 2) the GAP program. NPHC sororities offer both of those opportunities but there are other reasons I did not intently pursue an NPHC org. NPC sororities do not offer me all the things I desire that Theta Nu Xi does.

ETA: I've gone back through the thread and can't find where I said "not at all interested." I did say, "But they want things in a sorority that don't hold any interest for me at all." Now, this is coming from my NPC recruitment experience at UGA, but those "things" include, but are not limited to 1) living in a house with lots of other women, 2) being part of a huge chapter (as I've mentioned before, Theta Nu Xi discourages chapters larger than 30), 3) engaging in a vast number of social events (I wanted a mix of social and service), and 4) traditions that differ greatly from chapter to chapter within the same organization. Much of what was stressed and advertised during recruitment turned me off. I gave it a shot, though, because my mother is a Pi Phi.

It appears that you are trying to make me out to be a villain, but I don't understand why.

what is a GAP program

GAP is Graduate, Alumnae and Professional. We have undergrad and GAP chapters. Both have essentially the same standards and participate in similar events. GAP chapters are quite active, sometimes moreso than undergrad because they are fully operational year round. Theta Nu Xi was the first multicultural sorority to institute such a program for women who have already graduated with their bachelors degrees. Eligible women may be intiated directly into a GAP chapter. In fact, we have a National Board member who is responsible for such activity, the Director of GAP Intake.

I figured it was something along those lines. I must say, I don't think I'd like for my chapter to have that. I don't really think of graduate chapters as GLOs...but this is just my OPINION, before anyone gets all upset.

Doesn't bother me! It seems like, for the most part, IFC/NPC groups offer lifelong networking and fellowship opportunities with a less formal structure than orgs like Theta Nu Xi. And, the primary focus is toward undergraduate chapters, with the option of involvement after graduation. Y'all have been around forever, so the system obviously works.

Well, and we do obviously have alumni clubs and organizations and such. But arent their groups who have graduate chapters, like they initiate people after they are out of college?

We initiate people into our GAP chapters as do many other orgs.

How is GAP different from Alum Clubs and networking opportunities? I don't know much about NPCs other than my own yet, but we offer pretty strong opportunities after graduation - in my opinon. Maybe a DG alum, or any NPC alumnae for that matter, can offer her experience?