If anyone happened to throw a white trash party, guess what we are comfortable enough and confident enough to not let it bother us, hell if there were actually people and booze there we'd probably show up.

Then that's on you all.

And the hits keep on coming, I swear you have no originality and no intelligence.

well, when we do it...maybe this drivel you call a post might apply. but then again, we'd never apply our letters to such an event. anywho...

what does this have to do with the price of tea in china?

right...as i said before...this is coming from a twit who thinks blackface is ok. you're opinion on my intelligence matters this much.

As much fun as its been dealing with someone like you (Someone who, when any other point of view is presented other than his own, claims the other party is either stupid, ignorant, or a racist) I have work to do so have fun.

You keep saying this mess about black fraternities/sororities and the hypothetical situation of their throwing a white trash bash..it has never happened and probably...a strong probably, won't. We don't do stuff like that. Our organizations aren't perfect, of course not, but we simply don't find that stuff entertaining. Our sensitivity levels do tend to be higher, and I would think understandibly, because of our history in America, so no, it isn't something we would do so you may as well drop that as an argument. How can you pose a hypothetical, an improbable one at that, as an argument against the views on something that has and does actually occur???

no, the base of your argument is what makes you stupid. you're the one calling us over sensitive. but you're the one who thinks black face is ok. hmm.....who is the stupid one?

And with that, I am out of here. I have things to do.

Would starang, Pike, and Colonist please stop posting in this thread?

And don't feel the need to answer this post please, we all got whatever point you were all trying to make 100 posts ago.

Thanx :)

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look at james moderating...good shit.

Here is one for you. The same fraternity that supposedly was racist also had a party a year ago that had a theme to it. I think, oh no wait i know that it was called, "trailer trash bash" in which they dressed up as trailer trash. They right there offended white people that were trailer trash yet the fact that they dress up in compton outfits is racist. Oh yeah and by the way the president at the time was black and he was at the party to dressed up. how weird.

Well strange as another Mod, I DITTO JAMES!

This is not posted just at you but the rest who seem to love to play the race card!

If you want to play this BS, take it to PM! It gets very old!

If any of you do not like this Post, you may PM me! Get your Race Crap off of the Boards, act like SEMI Grown ups if you do not mind!:(

It kind of remindes me of Spam and Hash to over done and leaves a bad taste with a lot of people!:p :mad:

does this have anything to do with the bigotry at hand? ummm....survey says....nope.

well...if people wouldn't practice bigotry, then this "race crap" wouldn't have to be said.

You just dont get it do you!:(

You seem to play Racist more so than a most on here so what does that make you, the only right person here?:confused:

Racism does run both ways or do you even understand that?:eek:

no, you don't get it. you seem to think that folks cry racism for no reason. this bigotry is proof positive that we're not out of the woods yet.

I don't think anyone is suggesting racism and color prejudice does not exist; I hope not.
I think what Tom was saying was both that racism - color prejudice (I don't want to get into a debate of power vs space segregation, posited requirement of 'power' for racism to exist etc) can be perpetuated by anyone regardless of their skin color; and, that suggesting one ethnic group may not have a voice on the topic may be seen to suggest that not everyone can make a stand against racism which is obviously untrue.

I think that it is also dangerous to fall into the trap of saying x group is only "racist" because of y group - to suggest such prejudices are somehow ever justified would indicate those prejudices can sometimes be acceptable which of course they cannot. Inexcusable behaviour is inexcusable regardless of who the victim and perpetrator may be.

On starang21's comment of people crying racism for no reason, I return to my earlier point that no one is (or should) be saying that racism does not continue in the world but it is sadly naïve to suggest that accusations are never made in situations where it has not actually occurred. I shall refrain from examples but it does sometimes happen. Such baseless accusations are unfortunate because it risks an important issue (to everyone) being taken less seriously where there is a real problem because of false accusations having been made.

Finally, though I am aware of the irony of any post which says such a thing I think the thread has already had viewpoints of various people given - often with great lucidity - and I feel it would make little positive change to continue the debate much more on this particular thread.

I understand why it is offensive for them to use black face at their party -- I'd be really embarrassed to be there, but I don't think the fraternity should be kicked off campus over something like that.

Someone said something earlier about there being a double standard... I cant speak for BGLOs but I know that black comedians get away with a lot of stuff (mocking whites) that if the tables were turned, a white comedian would get in deep trouble for.

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look at james moderating...good shit.

I'm not a big poster as you can see, but as a Greek college student in Georgia this issue has hit close to home for me. I don't know if anyone has mentioned this article, I tried to read all 20 pages of posts, but I just don't have time. :D Anyways, I found this very interesting:

"In Oct. 1992, the Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity (Pikes) and the Fashion Board enraged black students by pretending to have large lips, padding their buttocks, wearing Afro wigs and painting their faces black at a ''Party in the Projects.'' Photos also showed two white students dressed as blacks kneeling at the feet of a purported Ku Klux Klan grand dragon.

Black Student Association member Sonya Myles said then: ''It was totally atrocious. In my opinion, with people praising the Grand Dragon - that is justification for them being thrown off the campus completely."

A disciplinary committee penalized both groups. But the groups appealed, arguing they were expressing their free speech rights. They won the appeal."


So it looks like something similar has happened to another Pike chapter before and they escaped trouble. I have a feeling this time will turn out the same. Too bad current college students were unable to hear about and learn from previous mistakes since people that are seniors in college now were about 10 when this happened.

Also, while I think what the Pikes did is ignorant and distasteful, I think the flyers that the Black Student Alliance posted at GSU were equally ignorant and distasteful which makes it hard for me to take their organization seriously.


P.S. I really wouldn't be offended if black students wanted to dress up as rednecks, paint their faces white, and have a hoedown social. Maybe I'm just not as easily offended, but it really wouldn't bother me. I thought a social was supposed to be fun, not so politically correct... But that's just my little, measly opinion, don't let that offend you. :)

Oh! I had to respond to this one! My mother recently told me that I was "making" her a racist because of my views. When she asks me a question or engages me in a discussion, obviously, I'll be speaking from my own point of view. Then, when she doesn't like what I have to say, she says I'm just trying to be PC and that I'm turning her racist. I don't buy it!

GSU approved those flyers!! That was completely inappropriate. The Sigmas and the Pikes were already handling the situation...I really think the school was trying to undermine the Greek System, because the flyers came out right before the Greek Leadership Conference. Hmmmm...all the GLOs presidents were at a disadvantage during this time, since most of them didn't even know about the full situation UNTIL the flyers came out! How horrible is that????

You know, someone could have said this already, but I don't feel like reading all 20+ pages....I have a life ;). Anyway, did anyone even think that maybe some people don't know what Blackface is? I'm taking a class right now, African Americans in Mass Media, and there are many people (Whites and Blacks) that don't know about the racism behind it. I knew some, but the information I found out was mind blowing. So, if you are interested in educating yourself try reading "African American Viewers and the Black Situation Comedy: Situating Racial Humor." It talks about the racism in Blackface and where those images come up in our current media.

Just my view on things.

Theta Nu, Soror! I actually posted some information on blackface for GCers, but you are absolutely correct that many people in the U.S. don't know the history. BUT, I would think that a fraternity that has had problems already with "race related" incidents (two of which have been posted in this thread) would be more careful about the way their brothers were representing.

This makes me wonder if their HQ has even said anything about these incedents.
Their fraternity has already had problems like this in the past. You'd think that their HQ would send something out to every chapter saying this kidn of behaviour is unexceptable, if any members/chapters are involved in something like harsh punishments will be handed out.

Seriously? Think about what you're suggesting here.

I don't care what race, color, creed you are -- college student organizations don't usually put a whole lot of thought into racial relations. Bottom line is that these guys are in this organization to have a good time, enjoy their brotherhood and eventually graduate. Race relations, even public relations is waaaaay down on the list.

I saw someone post somewhere on page 21 that they were surprised that these guys didn't know about the chapter at GSU that had a similar incedent in 1992. How many of us know anything about what any chapter in our respective organizations did (besides our own chapter) in 1992? That, I think is another unrealistic expectation.

The way many of us see the situation, offended individuals have overreacted to something that they find symbolically offensive. Individuals in this very thread have suggested that the national organization pull these guys' charter. How would you like your own organization raked over the coals by an anti-greek administration as well as certain 'offended' student groups because two members showed a lack of judgement and unwittingly participated in offensive symbolic speach? Remember: No one was killed, maimed or otherwise physically effected.

I don't think that you'll get much of an argument that what these guys did displayed a lack of judgement. It offended some people, so maybe they should apologize. However, I also believe that the group that posted the flyers, as well as the administration owe the men of Pi Kappa Alpha an apology for their equally irresponsible and offensive use of their right to free expression.

WOW, ktsnake, may I give kuddos to you for a very insightfull posting!:)

So, the question can be turned around the other way! Is there not or can be racisim in reverse?:confused:

Do I for one get so tired about hearing about Racisiusm, yes I do! Why you may ask? For the very Reason That My Brother Rodney is Black, and I feel as does He That We are very Close to each other alone with all of the Brothers of My Chapter!

# 1, He is a viable member of The Chapter as an Alum.

#2, He is A Brother Of My Chapter.

Now, My Question is again, who is the Racist here?

Those that profess it or those that truely beleive it as some so state!?:confused:

You that profess it are Racist, or not all of the people that dont beleive in your idilology!:confused:

So what they in your mind was wrong maybe was not the intent. Get off of the Horse.! Pleeze!

Some are not the saviour of the World, are you???

Question, do not the Divine 9 not do stupid things that are not looked upon as proper?:confused:

Do we not as All Greeks do stupid and idiodic things at a young age?

Do We not all hold Our Respective Organizations in High esteem for the Beleifs that we have?

I am tired of the Black / White Bullshit, you whip the dog to many times:confused:

Hey I posted the article from 1992 and I just wanted to let you know it was not about the Pike chapter at GSU, it was the Pike chapter at Texas Tech. Also, I hope you did not misinterpret what I said. I meant that it was silly for us to think that current Pikes now would know about past events since they were only about 10 years old in 1992 and probably not too into Greek happenings back then! :)

Ok, this may come out as offensive, but so what. People are getting pissed off over painted faces? Are you kidding me? Did noone hear about the incident at Ole Miss? Or the incident at LSU. Its all in good fun. I highly doubt these kids went out and did this as an act of racial malice.