I agree with everyone, really liked the hole punching activity... the groceries thing was just chaotic, and again, another mission that is scheduled so late! I mean for me, I'd have no problem with it since I usually went to bed at 2:30 or 3a.m. during school, but I know girls who go to sleep at 12:30a.m. because they need to get a certain amount of sleep. And they have 10 missions per week?! The actives seemed so cold toward the pledges when they were like you failed.

i just want to clarify...i did not say their new member education period HAD to be exactly like what i went through or how my sorority accomplishes things.

i am happy that they have differences because you are right...differences are what make us all so unique and what makes us stand out from others!

as i said earlier, i was just stating that i dont believe their sisterhood is being PORTRAYED ON MTV as very strong at all.

i dont believe that larger chapters can allow for some of their members to slip through the cracks...our chapter has had close to 100 members and each girl is required to do just as much as another.

also, i wasnt stating that the sorority who requires sisters to be in at least one other club do that with the intention of being ONLY A WALKING BILLBOARD...its GOOD to be known on campus, but it also promotes responsibility.

Double-Sweetie?
 

Anyone know what's going on with the doublesweetie site? Nothing new's been posted about SL3 since mid-Sept.

HI There,

Phi Sigma Sigma requires that all sisters be part of at least two other organizations - work and/or family (marriage, kids, etc) can be one of the outside organizations. But you don't have to have a leadership position in the other organization. The idea of involvement in two outside orgs is not to only promote Phi Sigma Sigma but to also make sure you become a well-rounded person who's, not someone who's whole life revolves around sorority and nothing else.

Carolyn

I guess we're seeing why Carmen goes...

drama..drama..drama
carmen just hush.

Even Mr. AXO Alum said :eek: :eek: :eek: about Carmen and that mouth!! WOWIE -- talk about offending anybody and everybody! And then for her to start yelling and saying "I can't trust you" or whatever....duh, Carmen, I think its Y-O-U that can't be trusted.

{Wishing that Carmen & Robbie (FL2) would hook-up and "whine" each other to death!}

I think Carmen would crush Robbie. This is not saying Carmen is fat but that Robbie is scrawny.

Although she did say some inappropriate things - I think the people who were offended should have said something to her directly instead of running to Valcoral. When someone said she was racist and she laughed it off, they should have said "no, I mean that seriously, it's not a joke." As for Salina (and I just have to say every time I see her name I think of saline solution) she lives with her day in & out, she should be able to say "that's really bleeping offensive to me" instead of running to the sisters.

Ha, I was watching it with a friend last night and he said the exact same thing.

^ lol...I can't stand either of 'em.

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Did anyone notice that the pledge ed from FL2 was wearing a white undershirt and red suspenders? He looked like a tool. The only people I have ever seen dressed like that in real life were skinheads/sharps. Weird.
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I don't get why the other pledges couldn't have sat down with Carmen and explained to her that they found some of her comments racially offensive - rather than running to the sisters. It seems that they said something but she laughed it off. The message I'm getting is that the pledges have a lot of internal conflict (which will happen in any group), but that they're incapable of resolving it internally.

It just seems that there are no "intermediate steps" before something big happens. Meena wasn't really prioritizing the sorority and making the effort to get to know everyone, so BAM! she's depledged. Carmen made some thoughtless remarks, so BAM! she's hauled before the sisters and read the riot act.

I don't know how much of this is attributable to MTV's selective editing, of course...

Well I think the two incidents, at the restaurant and the pledge house, we definitely a few days apart at least. If you look at the restaurant when Carmen made the remark about "attitude" and where she grew up she had braces on. The alumna had her called to the actives house so they could talk to her about it and Lynisse said Carmen seems to put the blame on everyone else and wants to know why they're picking on her.

The incident with Salina and the "beady little eyes" comment Carmen doesn't have braces on anymore. From what I've seen of friends it takes a while to get all of the braces material removed etc to the point where you feel comfortable talking without the mouth feeling sore. So to me there was quite a bit of time between Carmen first being spoken to and then next time they spoke to her about her comments and to think before she speaks.

Good old MTv editing as always
Carolyn

pledge pin
 

im not sure if this has been brought up or not, but when i was watchin one of the sl3 episodes, i noticed carmen was wearing her pledge pin in her pajamas. i know in my chapter we were only allowed to wear our pledge pins with nothing less dressy than khakis or a sundress. i was curious if other chapters have rules on this or if to some, it doesnt matter when you wear your pledge pin.

when I pledged Tua Beta Sigma I had to wear my pledge pin 24/7. When we took a shower we had to pin it to our towels. Thinking back on it it was a pretty silly rule. I mean, do you want your members looking bad in your pin?

wow...thats crazy you had to pin it to your towel when you took a shower! i know another thing with our chapter...we cant even wear our letters while we are out drinking and i think i remember a few years ago that if you were smoking, you had to take your pin off.

SL Recap please
 

Does anyone have a recap of yesterday's show?

Re: SL Recap please
 

I missed the past few episodes also for various reasons.

MTV's website gives a recap of each episode. I hope this helps!

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The recap for yesterday's episode isn't up on the MTV site yet. I just checked.

They made dinner with Katina.

They didn't do the dishes for a week.

Katina is mad.

Carmen is crabby and fighting with her man.

ummm, that's about it.

Thanks for updating and letting everyone know about MTV's recaps!

Re: Double-Sweetie?
 

i just checked to see if any recaps were up and the site hasn't been updated since the first or second episode. does anyone know if texas-gal is still writing recaps?

Hmmm. Interesting ya'll. IMHO I would have abstained on both Carmen and Michelle.

And the sad thing is I really think Carmen is as crazy as she seems because the phone call was completely unnecessary. It's not MTV's fault when it comes to that girl.

a nice ending...a nice party...
and it looked like they really really worked hard on who they let go.
carmen just dug herself too big a hole. and when your big is the sorority president and you still drop, doesn't that tell you something?
she needs to grow up a bit.

I have to admit that I haven't watched 99% of the season, mainly because I was turned off after the first episode, but am I the only one who thinks something is seriously wrong when you vote if they should 'crossover'. Maybe it's because their a local or something, but why the heck did they bother with the voting process in the beginning and then after these girls have spent a semester pledging vote again and then tell a girl 'i'm sorry your not going to get initiated, crossover, whatever'. It seems undoably harsh to do that to someone.
Not that I saw Carmen's attitude this season or anything, but I'd be pretty pissed too if I spent an entire semester pledging and then was told, the night before, 'oh I'm sorry you can't'. How rude is that?
Sorry, had to vent. Really annoyed me when I stopped on MTV after some channel surfing.

Brianna

Carmen not crossing over
 

I do agree they should have done it soon, but i also think that if she wasn't "Zeta Material" she shouldn't have crossed either. I am pledge educator or Dean of Pledgees for my sorority this year. I would not cross someone who is not fit for the organization. Carmen's attitude this season was repulsive. I did feel bad for ther but I don't think she should have crossed either. Just because you get into the pledge program doesn't mean you will automatically become a sister. SOrry Carmen!!:mad:

crossing over...
 

im just curious what you all thought about guys being @ the whole crossing over ceremony/party thing??? i know our initiation weekend we have a no booze/no boys policy and its just SISTERS @ the ceremony. i think its so much more meaningful than havin your date standin right behind you as you get your letters. what did you guys think?

OMG!!!!

I have been very open minded about different traditions...but I can't IMAGINE 1) letting the cameras see final voting 2) showing the # of votes each person got 3) having your initiation be in public with random people.

I'm hoping they had an initiation we didn't see - I think a celebration party/formal/dinner/presentation thing is nice but there wasn't much to it.

oh, and I about threw up when Michelle said she changed her personality to be accepted. I'm not sure this one is an improvement. :p

i admit i haven't really been following this season, but i caught the episode last night..and i was a little confused. did they actually have an initiation/ritual ceremony? it seemed that all it was was like "okay, we're going to take your pledge pin off now and *poof* you're a sister!"

I think that either:

1) What we see is what we got.

-or-

2) There could have been a private ceremony before the one that we saw.

What was more disappointing was the end of the DOC pledge process......like only one dude got a crossing gift!

I didn't have a problem with the public initiation but I don't understand the male escorts... At the time that I pledged, I really didn't know a guy that I would even want to help me celebrate my special day.

But I have to keep on reminding myself that every group has a different ceremony...


I personally think they should of dropped Carmen a long time ago. Why wait until the day before to tell her if she can cross over? I think that was kind of mean...

I watched it last nite and maybe it is just me but couldn't Jenn be a little more sensitive to Carmen's situation? I definitely don't agree with the public voting either.

Can you tell me what happen on fraternity life because I left the house to go to my brothers line last night with like 15 minutes left in the show. I know Pat was so hung over and they had to run to the beach but what happen after that?

Induction/Intiation
 

In my sorority we have a mini cermony crossing night and we have a formal induction. The induction service is for their family and friends to come out and witness their official crossing over pledging their alligance to God and to the sorority. We are a Christian Sorority so I see nothing wrong with a public service, but we do have a private one when first cross that is for sister and pledges only.

I knew that Carmen wouldn't crossover. She badmouthed some of the actives and had some temper tantrums. What did she mean that she thought that ZSP was different? Did she pledge a sorority before only to depledge?

I was surprised that Michelle was allowed to crossover. I didn't think she would get in after writing such disrespectful things about the actives. I wonder about the abstentions. Were those who abstained from voting really wanted to say no to her, but decided not to at the end.

I thought that the girls need a unanimous vote as in all 22 actives saying yes, but most got in with yeses and abstentions.


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I was confused about that too. I think some sister didn't have the heart to even vote for some people because they would feel bad so they took abstentions. But, an abstentions vote is basically not a vote at all so technically they we voted in on a unanimous vote by all the actives, even though it was less than 22.

Remember...at the beginning of the season we never saw nor heard any part of the rush process, just "POOF"....pledges!! They probably had a private ceremony that they made sure MTV didn't speak of (I'm hoping at least!). Val said that if you are going to crossover, you are invited to Installs....it looks like a formal celebration. I liked the idea of the pledges being presented in front of everyone...that was cool. However, they were carrying candles that I never saw lit.:confused:

I'm very surprised that the girls lagging behind in points (Michelle) was actually given enough points in the last week to get to the vote. Seems like if someone didn't want her, they wouldn't give her points. Same with Carmen.....they didn't have to give her points, I don't care what kind of personal stuff she did for sisters. That should have been her wakeup call there.

Could Carmen have been the MTV 'mole'???

It's despicable
 

The pledges had to exercise on the beach, and then were given like 55 min. to run the five miles (or whatever) back to the house. It was tough, but doable.

I think it was at the beach where the old black alumnus was giving the pledges hell, and the big guy pledge notices that he has a Delta branded on his chest - "that's really hardcore."

The heavy guy was struggling with the run, but the others took breaks and helped him. Pledge brotherhood was building. Then more crap at the house.

There was a gap from about mid-night until daybreak (either MTV was kicked out or chose not to show it). At daybreak, we see the pledges looking even worse, covered with paint splotches, and wearing diapers over their boxers. They are a mess.

The brothers are shown saying how great the pledge program is (apparently losing over half the pledges, including three during hell week, is a sign of success).

Then the pledges are taken to the Triangle monument, and congratulated for crossing over. Most of the pledges say that pledging "was the greatest thing they've ever done, and their pledge brothers are the greatest guys in the world."

In summary, what a despicable bunch of brothers. What a despicable pledge program. What can these guys' parents and friends think when they see this on TV?

The pledge program reminds me of my pledge days, when we did all sorts of crap - because we were told to and my pledge friends were doing it too. We wanted to be members. We didn't want to be quitters. But my pledge program also had some common sense - there was nothing in public (the crap all took place in the basement or inside the house) and no TV cameras were allowed.

Re: It's despicable
 

Just a FYI
He wasn't/isn't black, his background is south Asian.

Re: It's despicable
 

It's seeing what these guys went through, and how sheltered they were that makes me think it might be good if EVERYONE made kids wait until at least 2nd semester to pledge. If poor blubery Jon had gotten out a little more, he would have seen plenty of people with brands [and ones that look better than that!]

It was nice to see that the boys were sharing a candy bar, and it seems like they did ultimately bond w/ each other. However, I was VERY disturbed that they lost soooooo many pledges:eek: :confused:

I realize they were concerned about people being there for the tv cameras, but I also got the impression that some of what we saw was stuff they would have done anyway. In the begining of the season, I remember when they did the flaming delta on the beach, and I thought, that was cool. But at the end, they just said - you're active. I wish there had been a little more pomp and circumstance, rather than just keeping the boys up for 24 hours.

Also, I didn't realize that this week was the last episode, am I the only one who wants a follow-up or reunion show?????