|
Quote:
|
Here is the deal about joining IU's unhoused chapters (I don't even know which ones they are) or any sororities anywhere that are perceived by campus gossip to be extremely weak:
You must be strong to join them. Yes, you can have a good sisterhood experience but-- all year, you will have to put up with that campus gossip. Then during recruitment, you will have to deal with the pain of girls not wanting to join.Through years of working with Greeks, I have seen this played out again and again. Are you strong enough? Good! I was not--but if you can shrug off campus opinion, I respect you greatly. |
My daughter is in the recruitment process right now and I am a nervous wreck! I can sympathize with all the hurt the mothers are going through right now. I actually went down to IU on Sunday to be there for the preference round announcements just in case my daughter did not get any invitations back, I wanted to be there to console her. I really don't like this process as like all the other moms I know she would make an outstanding sorority girl. I guess I am lucky because she is really open minded about what place she ends up, even though she did not get asked back to any of her favorites she realizes those were not for her and is open minded about the un-housed as well. I have been reading how brutal the process is since she decided to attend IU last year and have been dreading this day. I am so hopeful that she gets any sorority at this point unhoused or housed because I really want her to have the sorority experience. Hang in there Ladies, I know how sickening and helpless this process is for us and our girls. I know my daughter thought a lot of girls dropped yesterday because they did not get houses that they wanted, I hope that the girls that stuck it out will be very happy on bid night!!! fingers crossed for everyone!
|
Quote:
Titchou http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums...er_offline.gif GreekChat Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,622 From the NPC MOI section on Recruitment Counselors: The goals of the recruitment counseling program are to: • Provide support, friendship and personal guidance to women participating in the recruitment process by women’s fraternity members who are educated to represent Panhellenic attitudes and ideals. • Provide objective and impartial counselors. • Promote an understanding and explanation of the mutual selection process. • Promote an understanding of the benefits of fraternity affiliation and emphasize the similarities in ideals and goals of all women’s fraternities. • Provide encouragement to the potential new members to continue recruitment through the Preference round during fully structured recruitment and to accept the maximum number of invitations possible during each round of recruitment. • Promote membership recruitment retention and pledging by lessening disappointments and disillusionments. My bolds added. IU Rho Gammas (barely older than the PNMs) are trying to help these young ladies through a very difficult process. While these hearsay statement may seem anti-PanHellenic to you. I feel they were probably an awkward way of conveying objective information to the PNMs. My daughter was given similar advice from her Rho Gamma during recruitment at a different school. (Full disclosure: they were friends before recruitment.) ATTA BOY! to all members who volunteer to be Rho Gammas at IU. Judging by the mother's comments on this forum, think how Rho Gammas must feel at the end of the day. |
Excuse me. Kindly explain: how is making a derogatory statement about any chapter "objective and impartial"? Further, the rest of the first bulleted point indicates "educated to represent Panhellenic attitudes and ideals." Incongruent with making a remark like "they'll invite everyone so list them last". Please.
The Rho Gammas are disaffiliated from their chapters. By making such a statement, the RG imparts an aura of "less than" to certain chapters. I stand with FSUZeta. This needs to be reported. |
Quote:
|
Just found out that IU cheerleaders were unable to participate in 12 party because of a basketball game, so they submitted "applications" instead. I am unsure if they attended 3 parties, but rumor is they've already received their bids as there is another basketball game tomorrow. Find this hard to believe, so would love to hear that my daughter and her friends have gotten the wrong information.
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
It doesn't make a difference to me or my daughter, unless maybe she would have looked better on paper than in person. She was invited back to 11 houses for 12 party, perhaps one of the houses she really liked would have liked her written application and invited her to 3 party. If this is true it just seems to be another flaw in this year's IU rush process. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
How chapters evaluate those women is part of membership selection and it's private. However, looking at it from the outside I would say this: One of the advantages of winter recruitment is that you have time to get to know people and they will vouch for you. I'm sure that cheerleaders in sororities vouched for the PNM cheerleaders that they like. (This can also work against the PNMs. If they did something stupid during their first semester, everybody hears about that as well.) |
Quote:
|
Quote:
I believe that everything happens for a reason and that my daughter will be just fine. I also believe that sometimes processes need to be reevaluated for the good of everyone. I think that Indiana's rush process needs to be rethought. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
There are tons of campus clubs, activities, honor societies, academic clubs, arts groups, and sports. I would highly recommend that freshmen planning on a winter recruitment do something on campus. It's fun. It gives you an opportunity to network (and make genuine friendships) with sorority women who share your interests. It gives you a fallback position if your recruitment doesn't go as hoped. Good luck to your daughter. |
The IU cheerleaders who are on the competitive squad were just in Orlando this weekend for the National Cheer competition. Most have friends on the squad in different houses so they would probably receive the same bids if they were present or not so doesn't really effect anyone else.
|
Quote:
Getting rid of bed quota won't magically give all these women their top choices. Doesn't work that way. |
Good bad or indifferent, the reality is there is a prestige factor with having cheerleaders in your chapter. The fact that they were competing in the national championships only increases that. They would absolutely already be known by the chapter. Consider it unfair if you want, but now is a good time to start accepting that sometimes you're going to lose out to people who you think cut corners.
|
Quote:
However, even if all women maximized their options on this campus, many women would be left out in the cold. Please don't blame the victims for the current situation at IU. They need a system where the number of bids is based on the number of women participating. |
There are chapters who take quota additions.
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
Completely agree. I am with you, bring it, IU Panhel. I want to see the evidence too. It's long overdue. |
AOII Angel- My daughter was told in a email by Panhell that everyone made their quota. There were no unfilled spots. I tend to take them at their word. Maybe you should check with them. I am shocked by your statement "Having more spots open won't suddenly change your desirability." So you think that the women who aren't getting bids are less desirable? Everyone would end up where they are now, even if all the sororities had more spots? Using the word victim was probably a bad choice. However, I dare you to go through an experience with your child like I have with mine and not feel terrible about it. Things aren't right with this rush. Again, NPC has a place for parents to complain on their website. They must feel things are not right at IU.
|
Quote:
100% agree. |
Quote:
|
If each chapter took 5 more girls, that would get us to approximately 100 more girls getting placed. That would help but it still wouldn't get all girls placed or guarantee the girl who is adamant that she is MEANT to be an ABC will be one. Who we think we are and who the world sees us as are sometimes nowhere near the same thing. The fact is at normal schools, girls complain and/or cry and/or drop out of rush because ABC cut them and it was the only chapter "they felt comfortable in." If IU threw out bed quota there would still be 5 or 6 most competitive chapters and girls would be screaming about getting stuck with "that" chapter. Then IU would fall inline with Alabama and Texas for crazy competitive, but not straight up mean.
|
Quote:
|
[IF IU threw out bed quota there would still be 5 or 6 most competitive chapters and girls would be screaming about getting stuck with "that" chapter. Then IU would fall inline with Alabama and Texas for crazy competitive, but not straight up mean.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I think you are totally right. Let's get rid of the mean! We can't get rid of the competitive. |
Quote:
We all pray that happens but are doubtful it will. :( |
I don't get it. There must be something I don't understand. If quota is based on how many women can be housed (at the sororities with houses at IU) where do women who are quota additions live?
|
At a normal school? In the dorms or in apartments. At IU, that is just VERY slowly starting to occur, but more than likely girls will get apartments together in a building so that they can be with their friends but not under the restrictions of the chapter house. Like drinking and boys :)
|
Quote:
|
Where are the statistics on QAs at Indiana, please?
|
Can anyone explain what happens during IU's "Bid Night"? How and what day do the PNMs get their bids and get to the houses?
|
Not Maximizing Your Options
I talked to my younger daughter today and she is not maximizing her options. She attended three preference parties yesterday. I told her to rank all three last night. She didn't do it. Two of the chapters she feels are a good fit for her, the other not so much. However, a young women a few doors down also attended the party for the sorority that my daughter didn't feel comfortable with. Her friend adores that house and really wants a bid there. She doesn't want to take a bid from someone who really wants one, so she didn't rank that house. She is prepared to deal with not getting anything. She says she will just get an apartment and still be happy. I guess there are some good reasons for not maximizing all your options. It depends on the individual.
Incidentally, even though she is in a better position than many women at this point, she feels the process is random and arbitrary. Luck seems to have a lot to do with it. Most of the women on her floor were crying and miserable over the past few days. |
My own thoughts, after being a membership advisor at 2 other schools and attending a third; take them with as much salt as you will:
I really want to take everyone from the (housed) house corp boards at IU and shake them. Seriously, alumnae, make some better decisions for the health of the entire system! There is no good reason to set quotas so artificially low. None. You can figure out a way to keep your physical house afloat with fewer than 75% of your members living in, I promise you. Yes, there will still be many women who will have to take a chance on chapters they felt they didn’t yet connect, it will still be competitive to get spots in most chapters, but hopefully the number of women receiving bids will be in a greater proportion to the number of women starting the process. The housed vs unhoused chapters is a tricky dynamic at any school, and is made even worse by IU’s silly bed quota system and culture of exclusivity. In the end, women have to decide if they would rather be greek for life (without a house for four years) or not greek at all. And the Rho Gamma who told her group that they should rank the unhoused chapters last because they have to take everyone should be ashamed of herself and be reported. NOW. As a Rho Gamma you should be impartial, you should not make blanket statements about how to rank, and you should not perpetuate falsehoods that “those chapters have to invite everyone back.” It’s just ridiculous, and NOT TRUE. Continued luck to all the PNMs, actives, alumnae and parents. And put pressure on your respective groups. I agree with AXORushAdvisor, that I would never want a daughter of mine to experience IU rush, and would not want to send my money that way, either. When alumnae women who are already deeply involved with membership in their organizations are actively dissuading other women from participating (or, actively telling them to participate at a different school instead), you know your campus needs to make some changes. I don’t care if it’s your “tradition” or “culture,” or it “works for the actives.” Sorry Hoosiers, but it’s getting to the point that you’re embarrassing yourselves. And I worry about the damage you’re really doing by having decades of higher disappointment levels than are necessary. I do understand there is disappointment in everyone’s recruitment experience, but IU does things to set itself up for more problems. Your NPC recruitment is diseased, in my diagnosis. We all know that just because something’s always been done a certain way, that does not mean it’s always been done the correct way. |
Quote:
|
Hear, hear, kchaptergphib!
|
| All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:27 PM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.