I should thought before I spoke, I totally forgot about one major key component of quotas. The fraternity quota are in essence, rush goals, they aren't binding at all, but bigger fraternities, such as those at SEC institutions have no problems with this, they are solid chapters and HQ won't push them very hard. Where quotas begin to come into play in the fraternal division, is when you have under-performing chapters at universities not really produce a very good Greek Life, the pressure mounts immensely for these group to get the unrealistic numbers their nationals has placed on them.

I didn't think dudes were dumb enough to do this. Or is it just certain national fraternities?

i would imagine most have a similar system, its just not as pronounced to outsiders, but i cannot be sure.

I know of one, maybe two, national fraternities that will set 'goals' for their chapters. They look at how many pledges the chapter has had over the last couple of years, the average pledge class of the groups on the campus, and then set a goal for their chapter.

Alpha Beta Fraternity

Alpha chapter at University of Whatever has had an average of 18 pledges for the past 5 fall rushes. The campus average for IFC rush at Whatever is 27. Your goal this year is 22 pledges.

Beta chapter at Whatever State University has only had an average of 9 pledges the past 5 fall rushes. The campus average for IFC rush is 22. Your goal this year is 14 pledges.


I don't know if there is any punishment for not reaching their goal. The one fraternity that I know set goals had the goal and the number of pledges on their website, but it is not there now.

Maybe you said it all, one Fraternity at the KU Campus and not all!:rolleyes:

I guess it would depend on which Fraternity you are refering to and how close they are!

If they are a Jewish Fraternity that may be true. But knowing a bit about KU recruitment, over all you are incorrect!

KU has a strong Greek Community with big houses and memberships for most!

But of course in The Major Houses membership counts!

OOPS they have to pay the bills!:rolleyes:

What the hell tom?

To summarize the thread: Rush Sigma Nu, they are AWESOME at Kansas.

Come on PhiGam. No one said that. It's a re-colonization; just saying they shouldn't take the usual 5-10 years to get out of the dumpster.

They're strictly non-alcoholic if you aren't 21 parties are the best on campus.

Obeying underage drinking laws= Phrat

Creating an account on an internet message board to make fun of a start up colony who is doing what national requires it to do in order to get a charter = Phrattier.

Creating a name on a message board to glorify a colony into something that its not, and recruiting for said colony on greek chat = phrattiest.

Colonies deserve to get made fun of sometimes because the only time they don't suck is when the house was top tier, off campus for only a few years and was underground/under a different name for the whole time. And that sometimes when they deserve to get made fun of is when people somehow associated with them act like the colony is no different than a top-tier house.

Colonies are never top tier, that's a perfectly reasonable assumption. And doing what no other chapter in the country does and actually obeying drinking laws isn't going to make them cooler any time soon. So it seems like a perfectly reasonable statement on his part.

I understand that there are a lot of Sigma Nu's here, but stop trying to recruit for a colony by denying the obvious. It makes the whole organization seem desperate when you do, when really its only one colony which needs numbers who is despearate.

And why, exactly, do you all care so much? You're all securely there in your "top tiers", right? Then just stay up on your high horses and let these other groups go about their business. There's a way to be "elite" without being judgmental jerks, you'll grow as men when you figure out how to do it.

Greekchat is probably the last place I think I'd want to recruit anyone.

I'll say one thing about colonies -- they are not your typical experience. They're hard work. It's sometimes a huge pain in the ass. I'm a former colonist. We worked our asses off and received our charter. What I accomplished for my chapter in the time I was active was, is something I feel justified in being more proud about than, for example, joining and belonging to a top tier house on campus.

This KU chapter, FWIW was a decent chapter just a few years back. They still have a beautiful chapter house. They have a very supportive alumni base and but for the last three or so years and WWII, the chapter has been at KU since 1884.