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DSTCHAOS 03-30-2008 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1626248)
I like to call them the "I'm unique (just like everyone else)" crowd.
I call them that, too. :)

breathesgelatin 03-30-2008 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06 (Post 1626248)
I like to call them the "I'm unique (just like everyone else)" crowd.
FTW

XiButterfly 03-31-2008 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1626227)
Oh Good Lord. Well, apparently they aren't recognized by the University. But that would explain a lot.

Yes we are recognized by the university. Please do some research before you post.
http://students.berkeley.edu/osl/stu...ns.asp?id=2738

Scroll down to the multicultural sororities....you will see Phi Nu Xi listed as a recognized sorority by the university. There is a list under the main one in red that lists the greek organizations that are NOT recoginzed by the university....and Phi Nu Xi is not on that list.

I'm not sure why you find my post offensive. I'm merely saying that you should look beyond a person's tattoos and actually judge them as a person. I'm sure you'd pass me over like you are now and judge me. That's okay. Think whatever you want. We probably just have different views because you're from an older generation.

Political awareness is one of our ideals....but many sisters share different political views and backgrounds. I'm the polar opposite of some sisters in my views and its perfectly fine. It allows for discussion and perspective growth. For example, I'm pro-life and there are other sisters who share my views but there are sisters who are pro-choice. It doesn't honestly matter. What we focus on is having an open and safe arena where people can share and bond.....and actually feel like its a sisterhood. A sorority being a sisterhood.....image that.

nittanyalum 03-31-2008 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1626210)
Ewwwwwwww!!!! I feel bad for the tattoo artist.

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta (Post 1626225)
google phi nu xi and see what comes up.
L. A. M. E. All this sputtering about being individualistic and all about who they 'really' are and they couldn't even form a unique org.

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Originally Posted by breathesgelatin (Post 1626239)
On the subject of, "If they judge me based on my tattoos/piercings/modifications they are hating on the real me!"

I'm with SWTXBelle and agree that this doesn't really make sense. Is your bodily appearance all of what it takes to make the "real you"? Why do you so identify so strongly with your tattoos? Even most people I know with these don't identify their entire self with them in that way (this is probably because most of my friends have tattoos that are easily hidden and those that don't already regret them in their MID-TWENTIES).

It strikes me that most people with extensive body modification would probably judge others on their appearance. For example, they probably wouldn't want to hang out with a fresh-faced blond Alabama sorority girl wearing pastel. They would assume that she's boring/"not individualistic"/conservative. Which is not necessarily true. How is her pastel and makeup wearing and blond hair-dying any more "the real her" than your tattoos are "the real you"? In college I never went blond but in many ways I dressed the stereotypical conservative southern sorority girl. My ideas were never such though. Now that I'm in grad school I dress slightly differently. It's not because "the real me" changed, but because my professional and social setting changed and my appearance changed appropriately in order for me to fit in, advance, and make friends. But the core of "breathesgelatin" has stayed the same throughout.

I am just really skeptical about people with body modifications getting on their high horse about judging people by their appearance. Everyone does it.

That said, I know that I would probably vote to cut someone based on a visible tattoo. I'm not afraid to say it. Most of the people I know with visible tattoos that they don't try to cover are really self-satisfied it about it, and really into this idea that they are part of some awesome "alternative" culture that other people "just don't understand." Personally I think that's lame and their personalities are lame. I wouldn't have much in common with them and wouldn't want them in my chapter.

I don't really have a problem with hidden tattoos. I still find them overwhelmingly lame, but I wouldn't cut someone because of that.
I had to quote this whole thing because I just can't co-sign it enough.

SWTXBelle 03-31-2008 09:14 AM
I went to the website, and looked under sororities.Your group wasn't listed there. If they are listed elsewhere, fine, but spare me the "do your research". I did - and drew the obvious conclusion. If you are indeed recognized, well then good for you. You have a faculty advisor and turned in paperwork.

I'll try to spell it out so you can understand - the point is not that a person with a tattoo should be cut. The point is that in a situation where you have a limited amount of time to make an impression you do not want something as insignificant as a tattoo to overshadow your personality. I've got sisters (sorority and biological) with tattoos, piercings and funky hairstyles. There are actually many threads here about sorority tattoos - do your research before you post.
Given the smug, self-satisfied nature of your posts (as though your little copy-cat group could teach GLOs with over 100 years of history and literally millions of sisters anything about sisterhood!) it isn't a generational thing - it's a maturity thing. Grow up.

SWTXBelle 03-31-2008 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1626210)
But as DSTChaos has pointed out, this is not about YOU. You are a new poster - may I recommend you lurk a bit and interest yourself in some other topics? At this point you are coming off as both defensive and offensive - and although you've said essentially you are out of this argument, I will be interested to see if you can indeed just let this thread be about the op, and not in some justification of yourself.
I just wanted to point out that I called it back then - chalk up another unsucessful flounce~ I eagerly await the next "Well, we're all DIFFERENT and we have REAL SISTERHOOD and you are a bunch of OLD PEOPLE - nanny nanny boo boo" response.

Senusret I 03-31-2008 09:45 AM
I have discriminated against a guy who spoke with a lisp and wore tacky spectacles.

XiButterfly 03-31-2008 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1626555)
I went to the website, and looked under sororities.Your group wasn't listed there. If they are listed elsewhere, fine, but spare me the "do your research". I did - and drew the obvious conclusion. If you are indeed recognized, well then good for you. You have a faculty advisor and turned in paperwork.

I'll try to spell it out so you can understand - the point is not that a person with a tattoo should be cut. The point is that in a situation where you have a limited amount of time to make an impression you do not want something as insignificant as a tattoo to overshadow your personality. I've got sisters (sorority and biological) with tattoos, piercings and funky hairstyles. There are actually many threads here about sorority tattoos - do your research before you post.
Given the smug, self-satisfied nature of your posts (as though your little copy-cat group could teach GLOs with over 100 years of history and literally millions of sisters anything about sisterhood!) it isn't a generational thing - it's a maturity thing. Grow up.
Well the fact that you seem to feel strongly about it suggests otherwise and hoestly you attacking me and my sorority isn't really mature so I don't think you really stand in any position to tell anyone to grow up....period.

What website did you go to? That was the cal greek one and the only one I know of so obviously you didn't try that hard. You just want to find some reason to try to insult me.

I've said lets agree to disagree about two or three posts ago and you just cannot seem to drop anything and let it go.

SWTXBelle 03-31-2008 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by XiButterfly (Post 1626587)
Well the fact that you seem to feel strongly about it suggests otherwise and hoestly(SIC) you attacking me and my sorority isn't really mature so I don't think you really stand in any position to tell anyone to grow up....period.

What website did you go to? That was the cal greek one and the only one I know of so obviously you didn't try that hard. You just want to find some reason to try to insult me.

I've said lets agree to disagree about two or three posts ago and you just cannot seem to drop anything and let it go.
http://www.calgreeks.com/mcgc.html is where I had looked for your group. Sorry that I missed it in another listing.



Don't flatter yourself - really. Your first post was a judgemental, smug attack on those had given the op good advice. What I feel strongly about is misrepresenting what I and many of my fellow long-established GCers have written here. I don't want to find a reason to insult you - but I will call you, and any one else, to task for faulty reasoning and poor logic. (Alas, all those years of teaching Rhetoric have warped me.)As you may have noticed, we've all heard the "We're all different - like everyone else!" thing so much that we've become somewhat amused by it.

I stated several posts ago that YOU would be unable to resist coming back and once again making this all about you. So I ask you - was I right or wrong?

If you want to let it go, then do. No one is forcing you to come back and try and justify yourself. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

It should be, and I want to make it about, enabling the op to have a successful recruitment at an SEC school. You have no experience or insight in that arena, so really can't advise her.

If the most important thing about her is indeed her tattoo, then she should by no means hide it. But if perhaps it is a small part of who and what she is, then by covering it she allows her personality and other character traits to be the focus.

SWTXBelle 03-31-2008 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 33girl (Post 1624244)
It is not so many of US that would do that - it is the Greek system at the OP's particular school. I am guessing that 99% of the people posting on this thread would not do that and also find the concept repugnant. So before you get on your soapbox, read and comprehend the whole thread.

I just wanted to co-sign, and say that this is still relevant.

catiebug 03-31-2008 01:31 PM
I <3 SWTXBelle.
:D

DSTCHAOS 03-31-2008 01:38 PM
So this thread has motivated me to finally get that Speed Racer tattoo on the back of my neck that I've been wanting FOREVER.

Then I'm going to cut my hair really short and rebuke popped collars and turtle necks. There's no hiding the REAL ME and nobody better judge me. GO SPEED RACER!

violetpretty 03-31-2008 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1626603)
If the most important thing about her is indeed her tattoo, then she should by no means hide it. But if perhaps it is a small part of who and what she is, then by covering it she allows her personality and other character traits to be the focus.
Best piece of advice in this thread.

XiButterfly 03-31-2008 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle (Post 1626603)
http://www.calgreeks.com/mcgc.html is where I had looked for your group. Sorry that I missed it in another listing.



Don't flatter yourself - really. Your first post was a judgemental, smug attack on those had given the op good advice. What I feel strongly about is misrepresenting what I and many of my fellow long-established GCers have written here. I don't want to find a reason to insult you - but I will call you, and any one else, to task for faulty reasoning and poor logic. (Alas, all those years of teaching Rhetoric have warped me.)As you may have noticed, we've all heard the "We're all different - like everyone else!" thing so much that we've become somewhat amused by it.

I stated several posts ago that YOU would be unable to resist coming back and once again making this all about you. So I ask you - was I right or wrong?

If you want to let it go, then do. No one is forcing you to come back and try and justify yourself. IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.

It should be, and I want to make it about, enabling the op to have a successful recruitment at an SEC school. You have no experience or insight in that arena, so really can't advise her.

If the most important thing about her is indeed her tattoo, then she should by no means hide it. But if perhaps it is a small part of who and what she is, then by covering it she allows her personality and other character traits to be the focus.
The link I gave was a direct link from the berkeley website.....not sure how you could miss it. Plus, that site doesn't have a single MC sorority listed and the list is stated as "coming soon." I'm not sure how that served as "proof" we're not backed by the university.

It was never my intent of giving off my "We're all different - like everyone else!" attitude. I merely stated I found it sad that a tattoo would hold her back in recruitment. There's more to people than there tattoos or even their appearance....which was the main point I was trying get across. That is bigger than me and I'm not too sure why you would think that point would be "all about me." I'm putting in my two cents and I do have friends who are in and/or were in the greek system at SEC schools so I do have some knowledge from their stories of recruitment. Some chapters will not be bothered by visable tattoos and some will not take the time to talk to you if they see it. It sucks but that's life.

breathesgelatin 03-31-2008 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by XiButterfly (Post 1627076)
It sucks but that's life.
...which is basically the point we were making all along. :)


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