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srmom

01-29-2008 03:56 PM

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Oh and imagine how this society would really be if Southerners truly minded their own business and let others do their thing. This country's history would be a lot different and that applies to how organizations were founded and how they currently operate

How would they be different? Examples? Just curious as to your thinking process...

Benzgirl

01-29-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS (Post 1590405)

So now you want to type about it HERE? :rolleyes:

Stuff happens. There's a huge difference between stuff happening and fraternity and sorority infrastructures actually endorsing stuff happening. Chapters can get in a lot of trouble if they are found to have denied membership based on race or racial stereotypes. Versus what some of you seemed to be saying about your chapters that proudly (probably to the knowledge of chapter, regional and even national officials) uphold the status quo.

But, again, this is always a nontopic until people make it one for BGLOs. Despite our nondiscriminatory national statements, nonblacks do not pursue BGLOs in large numbers for a number of social and organizational reasons. The chapters that do get nonblack applicants are usually getting them because the local, campus and chapter climates are conducive to inclusion. ;)

Oh and imagine how this society would really be if Southerners truly minded their own business and let others do their thing. This country's history would be a lot different and that applies to how organizations were founded and how they currently operate. GCers amuse me with these regional references that they think are flattering.

You go girl! I think the last paragraph is entirely appropriate to this thread. This is the same Fratty that just encouraged a guy in "skipping class to go to rush event" to skip his class because, "you have four years to go to class and one week to rush".

In the past, I thought this guy was just a dimwhit, but I now know that he would be the one putting on that Confederate Uniform that Barbino told about. But then I live near Oberlin, which is where the Civil War began with a bunch progressive Abolitionists. Maybe I should indicate that in my signature so they don't expect me to go duck hunting or fishing with the Frat Boys.

sasquatch

01-29-2008 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzgirl (Post 1590453)

Please be honest. Do you have some sort of grudge against Southern Greek life? Every time there's a topic on the subject, you come running. I am from the South and very proud of my Southern heritage. I go to an SEC school, but at the same time, I think a few of the "fratty" posters here try way too hard so maybe you're more opposed to those individuals than anything else.

Edit: You act like there's something wrong with KA wearing CSA uniforms for their composites...

DSTCHAOS

01-29-2008 04:05 PM

For me, this stuff isn't about the South because bigotry and the status quo did not begin and end with the South. It's just more overt and traditionalized in the South. I notice that on GC almost every topic turns into a regional thing or whatever (I'm not well versed in what all that stuff means, including the acronyms like SEC). But it seems that most GCers are okay with these rants as long as it stays away from *gasp* gender, race or other more pertinent social discussions that impact college students and Greeks.

Anyway...some of us from the South (even if it's not the Deep South) get annoyed with people justifying everything with "well, I'm a Southerner." Give me a break.

srmom

01-29-2008 04:37 PM

I am just truly curious as to how organizations would be different if "southerners" would mind their own business, or whatever he was espousing.

Back to discriminating against pnm's - as an old lady whose seen alot over the years (and not just in greek organizations), there is discrimination based on just about every ridiculous thing you can think of when it comes to offering membership to an organization. I've even seen discrimination in Bible study groups (no lie). So, to say that because a national organization has something in their charter about "non-discrimination," they are going to abide by it, is generally a bunch of bull hinky. And, this is not exclusive to the south...

But, I've become quite jaded over the years;)

DSTCHAOS

01-29-2008 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by srmom (Post 1590494)

So, to say that because a national organization has something in their charter about "non-discrimination," they are going to abide by it, is generally a bunch of bull hinky. And, this is not exclusive to the south...

I think we all know there's no 100%. :)

To generally answer your other question, some exclusionary practices are meant to segregate in the name of "seperate but equal...or do whatever you do but stay out of our way." Other exclusionary practices are meant to segregate while also relegating others to lower status and both overt and more subtle differential treatment. The latter in particular happens all over the country, and more specifically in the South, and is not a tactic used by self-proclaimed "our own business minders." :)

Apply that logic to a historical and contemporary look at social interactions and the operation of social institutions, including quite a few Greek lettered organizations, that have conscientiously documented and benefited from exclusionary tactics.

DSTCHAOS

01-29-2008 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SECdomination (Post 1590550)

I think you, and many others, are a little confused on how to take some of us.

I'm not confused.

I have also never read any of your posts that I can recall. So don't make yourself the GC Southerner spokesperson just as I will not make myself the GC Southerner spokesperson.

nittanyalum

01-29-2008 05:59 PM

Water seeks its own level. For good or bad.

nate2512

01-29-2008 06:22 PM

I'm sorry for implying something on groups on wide basis. I'm not trying to justify prejudices because I have none.

33girl

01-29-2008 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sasquatch (Post 1590464)

Edit: You act like there's something wrong with KA wearing CSA uniforms for their composites...

Am I the only one who caught part of that "CSA" movie on the Independent Film Channel?

PhiGam

01-29-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by nittanyalum (Post 1590559)

Water seeks its own level. For good or bad.

I've never heard that before... very nice.

PhiGam

01-29-2008 06:35 PM

First of all Benzgirl... my GLO is diverse and I am glad that it is. We are the only good fraternity at this university that has a significant number of minorities because race is NOT a factor for a bid here. Perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions. You have some problem with the way things go down here... I know exactly why but I'm not going to post it and get banned, if you want to know my true opinion of you I will be happy to PM it.
And srmom apparently you do not know about American history if you think that any of the south's problems are from meddling in other states' affairs. We do mind our own business... like it or not.

PhiGam

01-29-2008 06:40 PM

And KA Society is racist... plain and simple. I have no desire to be a part of that organization and that is the only reason. They wear CSA uniforms because they were founded by Robert E Lee. They have a southern cross on their house, re enact a civil war battle every year, and got in trouble for spreading cotton on a black fraternity's lawn a few years back. These guys ARE stuck in 1865. I'm pretty sure they are the same at every school too. Most southern fraternities aren't like this though.
They are obviously not people that I want to associate with but they still have a right to have their own private organization. Any claim by them of not being racist is a boldfaced lie though.

33girl

01-29-2008 06:44 PM

PhiGam - Kappa Alpha Order is the founded by Robert E Lee one. Kappa Alpha Society was founded in Schnectady NY.

knight_shadow

01-29-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1590585)

First of all Benzgirl... Perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions.

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Originally Posted by PhiGam (Post 1590591)

I'm pretty sure they are the same at every school too.

*insert pot/kettle reference*