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DaemonSeid 09-20-2007 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1523728)
They saw these six people who they knew from school attack their classmate savagely. How are they not credible? You're right -- eye witness accounts are historically some of the least accurate witnesses around. When you have a whole gaggle of them though, given the conditions, etc., I can't see how you could come to that conclusion.

No one has even talked about whether or not these kids actually did what they're accused of. I've heard no alibi, no claims of innocence, etc. Are you saying that the Jena 6 were at the Dairy Queen when all this took place?

His jury was all white. Why? Jena, LA is 88% white. 100 jury summons were sent out. 50 people showed up. Of those 50, all were white. The jury was chosen from that pool.

Of course, now you have to make the argument that because these jurors were white, they were incapable of being unbiased.


NOBODY IS SAYING ANYONE IS INNOCENT!!!!

But correct me if I am wrong....the law as it stands in this country, supposedly gives everyone the RIGHT to have a fair trial by a jury of his peers....?

Think about that logic...you are trying this boy as an adult, with an inept PD and a jury NOT of his peers.....please tell me WHY you think that is fair.....and they are trying to sentence him for 80 YEARS??????

I wanna meet the asswhupping that lets someone go party several hrs later that is worth 80 years!!!!

Now if they killed the boy....then hey.....80 years would be fair.

And you think after all that has happened and knowing that this place still has a 1950's mentality that he stand a fair chance of them being UNBIASED?

Man, please.....

again....just quit while you are behind.

DaemonSeid 09-20-2007 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 1523739)
I'm not saying this to in any way insinuate that the jury was "fair", but what could they have done? According to an earlier post, of the 50 or so people who showed up for jury duty, none of them were black. If it takes having black jurors in order to have a fair jury (in a case involving a black defendant), then why didn't any of the black people who were called for jury duty report? If none were called, then what's the option (I'm asking because I have no law experience, so I honestly don't know what a solution to this problem could've been)? In a town of 2800 people, only 12% of whom are black, it's not hard to see how the jury could easily be all white.

Sidney....good point......here is my question too, if that was an issue...then why didn't they change the venue? (rhetorical question BTW)


Scott Peterson got that option if I remember...and all he did was kill his pregnant wife and colored his hair.

Rudey 09-20-2007 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1523718)
Agree or disagree...it is more profitable to imprison someone than it is to educate them.....

You guys can argue all you want, but this statement makes no sense. The most profitable thing to do is to educate someone so that they can contribute and make money.

I heard that Jesse Jackson called Obama white, and Obama said rainbows are gay. I'm not sure if that happened, but it needed to be said for a long time. Rainbows are gay.

-Rudey

Kevin 09-20-2007 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1523744)
NOBODY IS SAYING ANYONE IS INNOCENT!!!!

But correct me if I am wrong....the law as it stands in this country, supposedly gives everyone the RIGHT to have a fair trial by a jury of his peers....?

He got one. The law doesn't say those peers have to be of the same or similar skin pigmentation as the accused.

Quote:

Think about that logic...you are trying this boy as an adult, with an inept PD and a jury NOT of his peers.....please tell me WHY you think that is fair.....and they are trying to sentence him for 80 YEARS??????
There's no logic in your statement. Just a bunch of disjointed assumptions. The "inept PD" (a black guy if that matters to you) is inept because he didn't call any witnesses. You have failed to comment on the fact that several here consider that to be (given the facts of the case) a decent strategy for the defense. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a defense attorney calling no witnesses is not per se ineffective (and that was in a murder trial I believe). Calling no witnesses, relying on a vigorous cross (if possible) and a good close is actually not a bad strategy at all given the facts of this case.

And before the first trial, as the facts clearly point out, the charges were reduced to conspiracy (do do something, I don't know what which was later dropped by the judge) and 2nd degree aggravated assault. 80 years wasn't ever really on the table once the trial started. I believe the maximum sentence from what I have read is 22 years.

Quote:

I wanna meet the asswhupping that lets someone go party several hrs later that is worth 80 years!!!!
I imagine if my grandfather had survived being beaten to death (with shoes, maybe gloves) he could tell you what that sort of an "asswhupping" would be like.

Quote:

And you think after all that has happened and knowing that this place still has a 1950's mentality that he stand a fair chance of them being UNBIASED?
Have you been there? Again, it appears you are projecting your racial persecution fantasy onto this community.

SydneyK 09-20-2007 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid (Post 1523745)
if that was an issue...then why didn't they change the venue? (rhetorical question BTW)

I realize it's a rhetorical question, but it's one that merits an answer. I'd honestly like to know why that didn't happen (assuming, of course, it is a viable option).

AKA2D '91 09-20-2007 06:02 PM

I guess "great minds" think alike...Jena Justice and Woodworth Justice
 
The Road to Jena:

www.khoutv.com
KHOU - TV

Instead one group of men stuck out badly.

They were dumped at a gas station in a very small town.

Elmo Parker was one of those men. "Hour two or three, I believe, in
front of a gas station like a bunch of vagabonds."

That's the time he said he spent after being stopped by police in
Louisiana.

In fact, Parker used his cell phone to captured images of Spergeon
Holly on the ground.

Holly didn't know Parker was shooting the until both of them ended up
in Woodworth, Louisiana.

"They're stopping people all along 49, and they have checkpoints up
the street so basically any out of state plates they're following them
for several miles. Black shirts, I don't know if you know but today is
supposed to be a day where everyone wore black where they were going
to show support. Any black shirt that's who they were profiling," said
Parker.

Parker, 21, was driving with two friends when he was pulled over.

Parker's mother, Kim Hudson, warned him not to speed in Louisiana.

Parker says he was going 50.

The police said, 70.

"Being pulled over for a traffic ticket and having your car towed and
being left on the side of the road? That's mighty harsh punishment for
a ticket," said Hudson.

Then Parker says the officer told him his Texas drivers license was
suspended. His mother says it was briefly a year and a half ago.

The officer took Parker's license, impounded his car and he and his
friends got into the tow truck.

"We get about a mile and a half down the road. The tow truck driver
just stops the tow truck, like basically at the edge of the gas
station and was like, this is as far as I can take you. Get out of my
truck," said Parker.

That's where they met Spergeon Holly. Almost exactly the same thing
had happened to him.

"They're trying to discourage people from going to Jena. And they can
physically see you're black they can physically see you have on a
black shirt," said Holly.

An hour up the road, a rally to end racism.

In Woodworth, four Houstonians say their struggle is just beginning.

"I don't know anybody in this town so I basically have to sit here and
wait until somebody drives from Houston," said Holly.

The Woodworth Police Department did not returned our calls made by 11
News.

By the way, both Parker and Holly appear to have valid Texas drivers
licenses.

Holly says he tried to show police his concealed weapons permit, which
you can only get with a valid license, and Parker says he had brought
court paperwork and insurance, proving his license had been reinstated.

Instead the Woodworth police took their licenses, and their cars, away.

I guess it's just a prank?

Kevin 09-20-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SydneyK (Post 1523755)
I realize it's a rhetorical question, but it's one that merits an answer. I'd honestly like to know why that didn't happen (assuming, of course, it is a viable option).

I'm guessing because no one asked for a change of venue? I suppose the court could have raised the issue sua sponte. I could see a good case for that. Again though, a P.D. would probably only do that if he thought his client had a snowball's chance at an acquittal. Considering the number of witnesses for the state (which would make it an expensive case to do somewhere else), the fact that there was probably a lot of media coverage all over the state, etc., it'd be pretty hard to find another venue which wasn't plagued by all of the same problems of exposure.

At any rate, the kids are guilty as hell. The only real question should be punishment.

DaemonSeid 09-20-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1523753)
He got one. The law doesn't say those peers have to be of the same or similar skin pigmentation as the accused.



There's no logic in your statement. Just a bunch of disjointed assumptions. The "inept PD" (a black guy if that matters to you) is inept because he didn't call any witnesses. You have failed to comment on the fact that several here consider that to be (given the facts of the case) a decent strategy for the defense. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that a defense attorney calling no witnesses is not per se ineffective (and that was in a murder trial I believe). Calling no witnesses, relying on a vigorous cross (if possible) and a good close is actually not a bad strategy at all given the facts of this case.

And before the first trial, as the facts clearly point out, the charges were reduced to conspiracy (do do something, I don't know what which was later dropped by the judge) and 2nd degree aggravated assault. 80 years wasn't ever really on the table once the trial started. I believe the maximum sentence from what I have read is 22 years.



I imagine if my grandfather had survived being beaten to death (with shoes, maybe gloves) he could tell you what that sort of an "asswhupping" would be like.



Have you been there? Again, it appears you are projecting your racial persecution fantasy onto this community.


Well I would like to meet your gandfather...oops you said that asswhuping killed him...otherwise you get no sympathy from me sir...I have seen it one too many times already.

I'd ask you to meet Emmitt Till and his mama but....alas...they are gone too and the people that killed Mr Till walked...

Amadu Diallo got filled with lead...yet the cops that killed him walk the streets.

I once saw a man killed in Lexingtom Mkt by cops because he was having a mental breakdown and all he had was a box cutter.....6+ cops made sure that he got 6feet under....the most horrific thing I have seen in my 30+ years here.

fantasy huh...I guess that means you are slightly hurt over what I have said today....

get over it.

DaemonSeid 09-20-2007 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKA2D '91 (Post 1523761)
The Road to Jena:

www.khoutv.com
KHOU - TV

Instead one group of men stuck out badly.

They were dumped at a gas station in a very small town.

Elmo Parker was one of those men. "Hour two or three, I believe, in
front of a gas station like a bunch of vagabonds."

That's the time he said he spent after being stopped by police in
Louisiana.

In fact, Parker used his cell phone to captured images of Spergeon
Holly on the ground.

Holly didn't know Parker was shooting the until both of them ended up
in Woodworth, Louisiana.

"They're stopping people all along 49, and they have checkpoints up
the street so basically any out of state plates they're following them
for several miles. Black shirts, I don't know if you know but today is
supposed to be a day where everyone wore black where they were going
to show support. Any black shirt that's who they were profiling," said
Parker.

Parker, 21, was driving with two friends when he was pulled over.

Parker's mother, Kim Hudson, warned him not to speed in Louisiana.

Parker says he was going 50.

The police said, 70.

"Being pulled over for a traffic ticket and having your car towed and
being left on the side of the road? That's mighty harsh punishment for
a ticket," said Hudson.

Then Parker says the officer told him his Texas drivers license was
suspended. His mother says it was briefly a year and a half ago.

The officer took Parker's license, impounded his car and he and his
friends got into the tow truck.

"We get about a mile and a half down the road. The tow truck driver
just stops the tow truck, like basically at the edge of the gas
station and was like, this is as far as I can take you. Get out of my
truck," said Parker.

That's where they met Spergeon Holly. Almost exactly the same thing
had happened to him.

"They're trying to discourage people from going to Jena. And they can
physically see you're black they can physically see you have on a
black shirt," said Holly.

An hour up the road, a rally to end racism.

In Woodworth, four Houstonians say their struggle is just beginning.

"I don't know anybody in this town so I basically have to sit here and
wait until somebody drives from Houston," said Holly.

The Woodworth Police Department did not returned our calls made by 11
News.

By the way, both Parker and Holly appear to have valid Texas drivers
licenses.

Holly says he tried to show police his concealed weapons permit, which
you can only get with a valid license, and Parker says he had brought
court paperwork and insurance, proving his license had been reinstated.

Instead the Woodworth police took their licenses, and their cars, away.

I guess it's just a prank?

19th century mentality in a 21st century world.....thanks

Marie 09-20-2007 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1523704)
Ah... so rather than discuss the actual problem, you rally around a bunch of thugs (yes they are) who beat the snot out of a kid because he talked a little crap. Nice.



Rehabilitation is only one of the aims of the penal system. Another is to punish behavior which society condemns. Last I checked it was illegal to blindside someone then repeatedly kick them in the head. You do the crime, you do the time.



I read that some (if not most or even all but one) have priors.



Wrong, they throw away their futures when they decided to break the law. It is not "society" it is their own dumb choice that put them where they are.



Speak for yourself.



I believe they were out of control jocks.

-- basically the same thing.



Basis?



What do you mean by "troubled"?



You need to check your facts. No one was ever "tried" for attempted murder.

I only respond again to highlight my earlier comment to Kddani. Imagine how difficult it is to work to find solutions to today's problems when faced with individuals who despite your best efforts to be diplomatic, positive, and reasonable only want to argue, judge and create conflict. I certainly hope that we will get to a point where we can speak candidly and acknowledge one another's view point. However, GC seems to be far from that place.

Kevin 09-20-2007 06:21 PM

Emmit Till and Amadu Dialo? I can't even believe you're bringing these up. They couldn't possibly be less relevant to the guilt or innocence of the "Jena 6."

It's obvious you've seen a lot of bad stuff. I think you're projecting a lot of that here. I can't blame you for that. That doesn't mean that you're right for doing it though.

poeticace 09-20-2007 06:23 PM

Yes, soror, I wore black today. No rallies though because of work. Did you go to the actual rally in Jena?

DaemonSeid 09-20-2007 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 1523775)
Emmit Till and Amadu Dialo? I can't even believe you're bringing these up. They couldn't possibly be less relevant to the guilt or innocence of the "Jena 6."

It's obvious you've seen a lot of bad stuff. I think you're projecting a lot of that here. I can't blame you for that. That doesn't mean that you're right for doing it though.

Prove that they are irrelevant to this thread....

DaemonSeid 09-20-2007 06:44 PM

http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/c...oloq/Jena%206/


my pics have been loaded up

Tom Earp 09-20-2007 06:57 PM

So now, it is a major difference in some small red neck town, not a city, in La. when there were 3 nooses hanging from the so called white tree which has been cut down, and the brutal beating of and individual who is of a different color!:rolleyes:

BS. An attack on an individual is still assault. I am sure they did not arrest these young boys out of the blue.

I do not need a history lesson of how the black person was degraded when none of us were born. How they were sold by blacks to usualy Dutch slave traders and brought to the USA to toil in Da Cotton Fields.

Many of you promagate the hatered that is still out in our society.

Thanks a lot!:(


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