Well, the part about second bid lists to quota is true, but it has nothing to do with running you through the computer the second time because you "followed the rules" by not SIPing.

If Chi O made it through their first bid list and did not match to quota, they will work their way down their second bid list until they reach quota. So if you have them #1, and they make it to your name on the second bid list, you will get the bid. But that would have been true if you had SIP'd, too.

We have read threads here where it was pointed out that to be eligible as a quota addition, the PNM could not have SIP'd. In that case, it would increase their chances.

Once again, if everybody always played by the rules, this would not be as big of an issue. But there are always a few women who dirty rush and tell Suzy PNM "If you SIP us then we'll get to take you as a quota addition", which is why the PNMs are strongly discouraged from SIP and even told that they can't be a quota addition if they do SIP.

I know some PNMs get desperate to be in a top house, but I'd be totally turned off if a sister said that to me. She's basically saying "We don't want you bad enough to put you on our first bid list, but if you want us bad enough, we'll take you if we have room left over."

I agree. We had one girl a few years ago who eventhough she put us on her bid list she wanted to be in another chapter. When she opened her bid and discovered it was from us and not the other chapter, she went to her dorm room and cried and refused to come to our bid day activities. HOwever we wanted her to be a member and cared about her even at that point enough that we sent to her dorm room two seniors (who LOVED Theta with all their heart and soul) to talk to her. They convinced her to come to our floor and hang out with the members and new members. She and we were so glad she did and decided to give us a chance afterall. Not only did she end up loving our chapter, but she also was voted "Best New Member" by the chapter and became quite a productive member!

I think it must be acknowledged that 18 year old women are emotional and well, irrational sometimes. (Guys around the world flock to this post) When Suzie PNM gets her bid and it's ABC not XYZ, she doesn't see "YAY I got ABC" but "XYZ HATES ME"

It's one thing to say you can't SIP or you won't be eligible for quota additions. Otter was told she'd have a better chance of getting in if she was on their second bid list and had the other houses listed. Actually, it's probably the opposite. If she was on the Chi O second list, it's probably more likely that she would have been taken by on of the other houses she preffed before being a quota addition to her #1 house. The number of women snapped or quota addition is MUCH smaller than the number of women matched in the "regular" way.

Wow, hope my daughter gets an offer she can't refuse! This makes me nervous for her.

Remember its a two way matching process
 

I think it's fine for girls to suicide if they they only want a bid to one house, and I'm surprised that some colleges actually forbid this as rumblytumbly says.

But I think it's perfectly appropriate for Greek Life to encourage the girls to list all houses and remain eligible for quota additions. The girls have to understand though, that it means they basically have to take a bid from any that they list.

However, like the quota additions policy requires, I don't think that you can have quota additions for girls who suicide. If you did, you'd essentually be deciding that some houses can be as big as they want to be (As far as most groups seem to go, everyone who prefs is likely on the bid list.So if the girls can suicide and get a bid, the house could pick up everyone they preffed.) The very idea of quota would probably be destroyed.

Does anyone ever wish that we did things more like the men's groups and didn't have quota? Anyone have any insight about why we don't? (The men's groups have all the same financial considerations.)

Because we're women, we're anal rententive and we like to make list upon list and analyze every damn detail to death! :D

Hey, you asked why we don't do it like the men.

Or maaaaaaybe it's because boys are lazy? :p Seriously, I do think women are more organized overall (myself excluded)....that probably explains it.

ok me too me too here is my opinion . . .

If Polly pnm puts down XYZ 1st and ABC 2nd
then the computer will go down the list
* and if polly is on XYZ's top list then she gets a bid from XYZ (that was the easy one)
* if polly is on XYZ 2nd list and they don't get their entire 1st list to quota then they will go to their 2nd list and she gets a bid from XYZ
* if polly is on XYZ's 2nd list and the get to quota before getting to her then the computer goes to Polly's 2nd choice
* if ABC gets to quota with all of the pnm's that put them 1st then Polly will go up for quota additions (where applicable) - I think this is true even if Polly is on their top list
* if that is the case then she will be eligable for her 1st choice 1st and if they get to her on their list prior to the 5% quota addition then she gets a bid from XYZ
* if she doesn't match with XYZ for quota additions then again the computer will go to Polly's 2nd choice for quota additions.
* if none of that happens then poor polly has been cross cut. - although sometimes the panhellenic will send the quota additions to the smaller of the two chapters (so the above information is when all things are relatively equal)

I believe in the end the system is set up to give the pnm their 1st choice.

Now if Polly sip's then disregard everything in red. No quota addition - No second choice - No bid on bid day

I do, but only because it seems more honest for the guys (not always completely honest & ethical) but they don't have to have someone hold their hand. If they don't like somewhere they don't have to go, the guys really know who they'd like to accept based on deeper conversations & hopefully a more honest sense of the guy's personality. And also since it's usually more informal there are no bells and whistles to sway people's decisions. They get to see you at your most normal. That is more honest to me. So I kinda prefer the way the gentlemen do it. Of course their chapters are almost never equal in size, but then again many NPC groups run the range from small to very large on one campus as well...I think it could work, but we'll never know...

well. . .
 

some of it might really be differences in the way men and women are in general:

We like to work more cooperatively and see things work out for everyone while men may be more directly competitive.

But, doing formal rush with quota (and pressure for all groups to make quota) puts a lot of pressure on groups to get a certain number of girls, instead of trying to recruit and give bids to all the ones that they want. It causes some girls that might want a group who are on that groups second bid list to get matched to the woman's second choice when really had quota not applied she could be at her first choice.

If the men did the same thing, then I think we could say that it was about building the strength of the system overall, but the guys don't do things that way. Frequently what considered a good sized guy frat. is actually about half the size of the biggest women's groups. They are financially solvent too with lower numbers.

Why couldn't women's rush work the same way? Does anyplace do it the same way for both genders?

At the University of Memphis, IFC has a formal recruitment like Panhellenic. I believe they hold an informal after that. I am not sure, but think they also have formal IFC recruitment at Ole Miss, LSU, and SMU. Someone from or familiar with those campuses, please confirm.

Remember, too, the men blackball and their pledgeship lasts an entire semester. They often pledge more men than they initiate.