Well, a lot of people in the south simply want bars. I'm proud to say there are no "clubs" in my college town.

NOT ANYMORE!!!

:cool:

The cleanliness of any large city is so relative. NYC has done an excellent job of cleaning up and staying clean. (thank you Rudy - as in Guilliani)

The poor in NYC are still there and don't go to the clubs/bars you'd go to, rather the neighborhood bars/bodegas. They're less likely to move to NJ than the moderately affluent partly because the cost of commuting. (subway ride to lower Manhattan from Rockaway or Bronx is the same ~$1.50 now I think~as from Uptown, whereas the NJ to NY commute is many times that.)

But I think you were just trying to provoke some controversey, Rudey. And, you got me to bite! ;-)

it's $2 now, thank you MTA

Hi...I just put $35 in gas in my CHEVY AVEO (aka tiny tank) which will last me less then a week. Shut up.:p


(Less then $600)

New York City is actually pretty clean, particularly given the problems it contends with.

It's old. The streets and sidewalks look old. That doesn't mean they're dirty in my mind. You see people out cleaning and hosing down the sidewalks every single morning.

Also, Manhattan is a small island and real estate is scarce and expensive. They don't use it up with alleys. That means that the trash bags are dropped at the curb until picked up.

That doesn't necessarily equate to dirty since the trash is bagged. It's just a fact of life.

A New Yorker probably wouldn't even give it a second thought.

You do realize that I think that's cheap, right?

Yeah. I'd much rather go "bar hopping" than "clubbing" any day. Besides, I don't join a club when I want a drink.

I don't really know many people who go to clubs. For the most part, clubs in NYC tend to be 15-17 year olds with fake ids, and the 30-something men who want to sleep with them.

Why do you think that's cheap... you don't have a car.

If your commute is 2 dollars.... paint me confused.

YOU. DON'T. DRIVE.

How much does gas cost/gallon by you? I can assure you that it costs a lot more in NYC and that you would spend a lot more money filling up the same exact car.

If I lived in NYC, I wouldn't have a car, but since Charlotte's mass transit is only in the city proper (and sucky at that), I have to drive.

Fair enough. I only spend $76/month on commuting.

I'd like to congratulate the 4th District of Georgia for kicking the racist, anti-semetic, extremist, soon-to-be-ex congresswoman Cynthia McKinney to the curb.