Listen, I'm pretty far right and even I take issue with the "embracing abortion" comment.

Nobody's really FOR abortion. That's why the movement doesn't call itself "pro-abortion." I think those who are for it simply believe it's an acceptable measure to take when there aren't any options left. Cause let's face it - any way you slice it, it's a rough & expensive procedure. There aren't women out there getting knocked up for the fun of spending a couple hundred bucks and a whole day at the local Planned Parenthood.

Call me crazy, the issue at hand isn't the accpetance of taking the lives of innocent fetuses, as tragic, horrific, and New Jersey-an as it is. Northern people have infiltrated the minds of far too many good-hearted and right-minded people in America, and their loathing of all things decent has crossed into the realm of Greek life, and I find it appauling.

Why don't you just scamper off to the clearning in the woods you came from and have yourself a good old-fashioned hoedown?

Any REAL southerner would never be as tacky as this blithering idiot is.

OK, well, I'm calling you crazy.

(1) I think it's always a mistake to revert to emotionally charged statements when you're attempting logical debate.

(2) Probably coining the phrase "New Jersey-an" as a deragatory term isn't going to send the conversation in the direction you want it to go.

(3) If you ARE going to make those arguments, and you want to maintain what I'm guessing is your attempt at an elite tone, you should totally make sure you run the post through spellcheck first. Most people will forgive the odd spelling/grammar mistake, but making one when you're talking about how stupid/trashy/etc. someone else is pretty much counts as an invitation for ridicule.




That said, you have an interesting argument, which is basically that Greek life (while refined in the North - a lot of very good groups were formed in NY, for example) has suffered from the amount of attention it's received nationwide - and its being pushed at schools farther north.

From what I can tell, you're trying to say that Southern culture (overall) continues to be substancially different from Northern (or Midwestern, etc.) culture, and that Southern culture is more suited towards the ideals of Greek life that were more or less cemented in during the arguable heyday of Greek life in the 40s/50s.

It's an interesting argument, and I'd love to see a thread on it. But you're really swinging at it like a blind kid at a pinata.

I think his point is correct in part. Many good fraternities were founded in the south, and many of the nations best chapters are there. Southern life for women best coincides with "traditional" sorority culture, as it does for men. While I'm not limiting the decline of greek life to the north, it does flourish there it seems. I attribute the decline to the PC forced upon fraternities by Universities and National GLO's. The idea that GLO's HAVE to be diverse, that pledges should not be made to feel "inferior", are both reasons greek life is not as quality as it once was. Pledges should feel in a way inferior, as they are the ones attempting to EARN their way into the organization (that is a pledge's job, to earn his way in). Also, as to another example, I know several fraternities have replaced "christian" in their ideals, creeds, etc...with "religious." My fraternity was founded on Christian ideals, and I would much prefer that stay the same.

Shinerbock raises another excellent issue. Earning one's way into an organization, whether it is Greek or not, takes time and dedication. The pledge process embodies these ideals, and forces young men to adhere to a structured routine. I'm not big on the idea of hazing girls, or the like because sororities have not ever had the tradition of doing so. Their traditions are rooted elsewhere.

And Phi Mu...."substantially."

Oh, sorry, Dave - I didn't correct your spelling & grammar mistakes. Remind me next time and I'll get on that for ya.

All GLOs no matter where or when they were Founded, were founded with certain ideals in mind.

Isnt that why there more than one in each catagory?

With the embodiment of these ideals, all Chapters are required to follow them. Whether they do is entirely diffent. If they choose not to, then that is when they get into problems.

This thread started out chatting about language, and has turned into a North/South Abortion Rights thing with a lot of unwarranted name calling.

It's closed.