That can be done when you (speaking generally) become a member of ANY organization.

How does any of that affect one's day? How does that put food on one's table;clothes on one's back? pay one's phone, light, gas bills? :confused:

So, when that is done, you'll be 'happier than a runaway slave'? :confused:

I think that it is understood, or SHOULD be that the ONLY perfect entity is the higher power above.


(The reason for the season :D)

Re: Re: Crabs in a Barrell
 

That is your opinion, one which you are entitled to, and one which I will humbly respect.

Next!

RM,
Ignorance is bliss to some..and they like it that way. And also, a lot of black members that are in greek lettered orgs didnt really have anything else to define themselves by before they joined, so now they hold on to the orgs for dear life. Some were not pretty before they joined..now all of a sudden they are (at least they think so ;) )..some didn't do a lick of community service before they joined..now they do.. On one hand this is a good thing..I guess...but on the other hand it says a lot about where these folks get their sense of self worth. All that said, its obvious why no matter what some are not going to admit their orgs shortcomings.

Your points are well taken RM, but you're preaching to the choir here on GC with these particular comments!

Re: Clarification
 

Question: You say you've been on GC 5 years. Have you ever seen anyone get on here and say their organization was perfect and/or without obstacles (either internal or external) to overcome. If so, please note the org. page and thread title. I'd like to go read it for myself.

Clearly, no organization is perfect, but please show me how or why it becomes relevant/necessary to "humbly admit" any of this to you, or to anyone else for the purpose of this debate? What is gained by that --by you or by any of the D9 members who'd make said "humble admission"? Would the admission somehow allow us to work w/more determination in our community service? Would it gain your support of our causes?

And, lastly, would such an admission lessen any of the outside criticism (somehow, I doubt it.)

LoveSpell, that humbled me
 

Love Spell,

While I could respond with a Hello!, a WAYLE!, or an AMEN!, the only way I can respond to your post is with a big cyber-hug, a smile, and a tear in my eye.

Your post is absolutely on target and well-received! There is nothing more I can say about this; for you said it all.

Carry on, GCers, carry on!

See, before I just thought you were confused, but you've now cleared up any doubt. Thanks for the clarification.

You are a part of one of the D9 orgs that Rainman loves to bash (and secretly covets), are you not? But yet you agree with him questioning our very existence? :confused: Why join or continue claiming an org that you don't seem to have much love for and whose primary purpose is the upliftment of the black community when you take every opportunity to belittle that very same community? Counterproductive, much? Your intentions just seem mad shady to me. I'm sure there's some ultra conservative, non-black, debate club out there that would love to have you. I'm not even going to give much thought to that whole "self worth" nonsense. I think everyone reading this questions yours every time you post.

By the way, you've totally misused the cliché "preaching to the choir" in this instance.

Anyway, I've finally read through this entire thread and I think that, as usual, members of the D9 have held it down in here in the midst of naysayers. We've been doing that since 1906.

Say, like my soul let the...
 

I am going out on limb here and playing the "yurugu's" advocate.

Rainman and Love_Spell_6--you two would make a beautiful couple with pretty chilluns... Y'all should hook up...

J/K

Anyhow, maybe you guys are right. Some of what outsiders see is not exactly what really exists in some hellified chapter meetings. And what we present to the outside community in your respective communities could be improved.

And the overall generalize founding of each of the NPHC organizations should not be thrown out like baby with the bath water just because there is not something in the African American community not being addressed. And yes, maybe another black greek organization could fulfill those needs... Who knows, it may work wonders.

And other organizations should have the right to exist to their leisure. And it is the young people that see on their respective campuses that recognizes the perceived discord among the NPHC organizations. So it would be easier to form a new group rather than entering into some mess...

And at the same time, some folks just have not given NPHC organizations there due chance to their final vows and precepts they took during rituals or seriously considered what it would take to be a fully participating member... Basically, nothing was "broken down" to them. So they lash out and hurt those that did see or didn't see their true selves. Then these folks hang on for dear life proving to those they are worthy members or say all out forget it, I'm inactive!!!

And I also think that one cannot complain when they do nothing about it to implement change... If you plan to fail, you fail to plan and you must freely give up your life so that you may live it... So on and so for... And render unto Caesar what is his...

But we are a part of a larger society where its initial intent was to destroy our whole being. That we had to make some sembelences [sp?] to the mainstream society culture. Secret societies were design to implement an underground organization and communication plan of action. To send messages over to the other side when questions were not asked at a time of war... To reinvigorate a positivity among its people and personhood... Most of the NPHC organizations founded before 1930 were the first line of defense before the KKK came in burning down whole African American communities... If it had not been for a few members in organizations to stand up to these lunatics, many poor, impoverished African American communities would be dead due to genocide... Much of like is what happened in Rwanda and what is happening in Dafur...

However, what the young folks are telling our esteemed organizations that our time has passed. Out with the old and in with the new... But I just don't accept that...

I see young teen girls that sorely need an upliftment in self-esteem and education that I cannot quit my commitment to them but through Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Don't you know the United State government is coming down hard on all organizations and their legitamacy based on Homeland Security... These new African American organizations will be the first to go without our help... Without the vision of those long ago in the NAACP, National Urban League, NPHC and many other older organizations--these younger ones would not exist...

Regardless of the history between the founding of the NAACP, NUL versus the Back to African Movement, it still remains--who has final longevity? Especially in times like these?

Then what right do you have to bring us down?

Re: Say, like my soul let the...
 

AkA Monet,
Since you actually have some valid comments to add to the topic at hand...I'll respond to you....as for Meez Discreet and Bamboozled...I dont even think enough of what you guys said in your posts to address the nonsense..

As far as the orgs..I don't think the legitimacy and the fact that much good is done is in question...DST leads the way on many, many, many accomplishments...however, there is also some negative things that plague ALL the D9 orgs that should be addressed..but are not because some folks refuse to admit they exist. I think some look at it as if the good that the D9 orgs do wipe out the bad...and to some extent it does..but I'm one that always strives for excellence and is always looking for ways to improve. If there our shortcomings, I'm not going to tiptoe around the issues just to appear as if we have everything together. DST's records speaks for itself with all the accomplishments as well as other orgs...

I agree with you that those that sit back and complain and do nothing are part of the problem as well. My main beef with all the orgs is that all this good is done but the ultimate good deed which is leading folks to Christ is often shunned...but thats a whole 'nother topic lol.

All these orgs are a part of our history and have done great things in the past..but as issues in society change, so should our focus and priorities.

Thanks Aka Monet for your always insightful posts ;)

P.S. You trying to play matchmaker? ;) :p

OMG!! :eek: :eek:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!

CF&O, CF&O, CF&O :D :D :D *wipes tears from his eyes from laughing so hard*

Bamboozled, thank you so much for brightening up my Friday morning with your wonderful sense of humor. I needed a good laugh after staying up late last night watching a BORING Apprentice finale. Yes, laughter is truly the best medicine.

Also, give Mo'Nique and Sommore a holla; you might become the 5th Queen of Comedy.

Thanx again.

Carry on, everyone!

I gotta respond to this (One more hijack)
 

You know, I was actually thinking the exact same thing yesterday...matter of fact, I was reading some of her GC posts to see what her personality is like.

Hey, LoveSpell, you got a pic of yourself on the Look at Me thread? *LOL*

Ok, I'm done, I'm done!

*quickly backs out of room*

Re: I gotta respond to this (One more hijack)
 

PM me Rain Man. ;) I exchange pics on a 1 on 1 basis...posting pics on the net for random folks isnt my stylo

Rain Man,
Now you see why I have a fan club :D