Of course not, but that was over thirty years ago, and the times and consequences have changed dramatically since then.

We've been through this before.

41 years...wow. I'm sure we'd be impressed if there weren't tons of posters on here from chapters that were 141 years old. :p 41 years is BABY in GLO time.

No matter what he's saying, that's not really fair. You have to take into account the age of the campus, when their Greek system began, and the fact that locals are getting fewer and farther between, so for any of them to survive is admirable.

The opinions and postings of one person do not mean that disparaging their whole fraternity is warranted.

I don't think she was disparaging. Just pointing out a fact.

And gart, 33girl is right -- not every GLO does haze. And hazing isn't showing dedication. Dedication is alumns who still contribute and are still active DECADES after their initation. Not 20 year old boys making 17 year old boys poop in buckets.

I was trying to point out that 41 years isn't a whole lot of tradition to some of us - not that it doesn't mean they aren't a legitamate fraternity, but that 41 years to somebody from the Beta chapter of Delt or the Alpha Chapter of Tri Sigma isn't going to seem like a lot.

yeah but have you kept the same traditions for the whole 141 years or did you change them? We didnt just change all of our traditions because we were afraid of getting caught we just made it harder for them to catch us. Oh and where i am at we are the oldest glo on our campus.

If you don't stop hazing, where will it lead?
 

Man accused of paddling college students in exchange for rent, book money:

http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/...nders001.shtml

i completly agree that you shouldnt hit your pledges. why would anyone hit someone that is going to be your friends?

Please don't use the words "hazing" and "traditions" interchangably. It makes the rest of us look bad.

I don't know that abuse is one of those "traditions" you should be proud to announce your fraternity proudly carries on...

and, you WILL get caught. And then you'll be the chapter that isn't on campus.

Exactly!! Why would you haze someone that is going to be your friend?

Yea, that does suck.

Because there are parts of hazing that teaches the pledges lessons. Like teamwork and to never give up. Yeah you could do those same things just by a scavenger hunt but not to the same extent. When they have to remind each other to keep going no matter what happens and they would do whatever it takes to join us in our brotherhood then thats teamwork and they learned everything it takes to be a brother.

$20 says that if you make a list of "everything it takes to be a brother," GC can come up with not one not two but THREE ways to do that without hazing.

You're not GreekChat alone.

Here's the hugest problem with hazing: Ya'll get caught or have one incedent resulting from hazing. Your 41 years of tradition could be down the drain because of one screwup. It's not worth it, there are better ways.