Re: Re: Sorry
 

Yeah, I think it's important just to mention that SDT isn't Jewish at every school. There are PNMs who read this board, and some of them might write SDT off as "only for Jewish girls" because they don't know better, even though the SDT chapter at their school is anything but. I know there are some schools where SDT (or AEPhi) is primarily or even entirely Jewish, but there are also quite a few chapters where it's not. And on a national level, I believe there is currently no religious affiliation for either SDT or AEPhi.

I have a feeling you must be talking about AOII, since I know you and I am an AOII :) I sent in a rec for a girl from my hometown to the UGA chapter and I received a card with that exact wording you mentioned and it was BEFORE rush. I thought it was odd as well. I also know the girl I wrote the rec for was indeed cut.

Wow! :eek:

I can't even imagine how that could happen.

One of my good friends did, however, rush and join AGD at UGA 2 years ago! :)

no chance?
 

I am transfering to UGA in the spring and was hoping to join a sorority. If I come in as a sophomore though, it sounds like I don't have a chance. Would you all agree?:(

Re: no chance?
 

Not necessarily. There are lots of variables and the only thing that I could suggest is to try recruitment. You may get a bid and you may not. The same is true for a first semester freshman. There are a couple of GCers who went through Continuous Open Recruitment (COR) this Spring and received bids. One was a upperclass transfer student. Just keep in mind that not all sororities participate in COR.

Good luck with whatever you decide.

Ditto what aopirose said, it may be a bit harder but doesn't mean it won't happen. I had several sophmores in my pledge class. Also, COR is always a good option. Good luck!

Just Curious,

How have things changed the past 2 years. Has things gotten better?

After reading i am just curious as to what is going on down there.

oi...just from reading that (yes, all 8 pages), the rho chi in me wanted to have a nervous breakdown.

I was really surprised at the "suicide= no bid no way no how" rule. We strongly encourage the girls to fill their cards completely here, but we always have a HUGE amount of girls suiciding, and for the most part the girls get what they wanted. I can only remember 3 or 4 girls not getting invites to final round, and only a handful of girls not bidmatching at the end (they suicided). The rules here are...if you accept and attend a final party, you appear somewhere on their bid list.

What is intersting about our process is that it is possible to extend bids to girls who suicided other chapters (we don't have a formal name for it, but I suppose it would be what you all call snap bidding). I know that our current President suicided another sorority, my big suicided another sorority, another senior suicided another sorority, one suicided Tau Delta. In my pledge class, I think 4 girls suicided TD. I know that at least 3 girls in our NM class suicided Tau Delta. It works well for us beause we typically accept our first preferences right off the bat (we usually don't make quota...we're building slowly). If we lost all the girls that suicided (us or any other house) the system would be really screwed.

Part of the reason that groups are required to cut so heavily is to prevent them from leading women on that they would probably only give a bid to if aliens landed in a spaceship and took every other woman on the campus. :) Maybe that's a little extreme, but the reason that release figures exist is for the benefit of the PNMs so they don't go through the week thinking "wow, XYZ really wants me" and get so wrapped up in XYZ that they don't bother to get to know the other sororities. What the PNM doesn't know is that XYZ is only inviting her back to make the room look full and make the sorority look desirable to the PNMs they REALLY want - who are usually the same 150 PNMs every other sorority wants.

So it may seem harsh, but it's really trying to do them a favor.

Also, a lot of the cuts may be due to grades. Often the GPA required to go through rush is lower than what the sororities themselves require (that is, the school says you must have a 2.5 but XYZ sorority's national policies say you must have a 2.8 to receive a bid.).

In the defense of formal recruitment (cause I love it!) I'm going to say this: to me, it's not the system that doesn't make sense... it's just a problem with the PNMs understanding it. (And I'm not trying to offend anyone!) Yes, someone could be cut by ten houses after only talking for thirty minutes. Hell, someone could be cut by ALL the houses. But a PNM always seems to forget that they filled out an application for recruitment... and that information is shared with all the chapters. Houses know before you even walk through the door whether or not they would be interested in you. (Think about things like high school GPA, activities, etc.) So a PNM shouldn't think she was cut because she failed or that they hated her or any other negative thing she may be thinking! My chapter, for example has a GPA requirement, if your application says you don't have the required GPA, you're out... regardless of how much we love you and how great of a girl you are. I mean, we're talking about how horrible it is to be cut for second round... but what chapters cut BEFORE they even met you? After all, a lot of times they've already got their minds made up anyway. That'd be even worse.

I don't go to Georgia... so can someone clarify something? Is it that you can only be INVITED back to 12 houses or that you can only ATTEND 12 parties? Here, every house could invite us back for the second round but we can only go to nine houses... which sometimes leaves the PNM making the cuts rather than the houses.

Ok. Here's how it works. Round 1. PNMs attend parties at all 18 houses over 2 days. After attending their last party they rank the houses 1-18, with one being their first choice, ect... Round 2 consists of 12 parties. It is possible for a PNM to be invited back to more than 12 houses. If the PNM is invited back to the houses that she ranked 1-12, then those are the houses that they go to. If not, then it just goes down the list to 13, 14,...18. However, I think that it is pretty rare for someone to be invited to more parties than they can attend.

Also, I know that I've posted this in another thread somewhere, but at UGA grade cuts are NOT an issue. I would say that about 95% of the PNMs are incoming freshmen. UGA has become a pretty competative school. My freshman class (Fall 2004) had average score of:
Average Core GPA
> 4.05
Average SAT
> 1437

Therefore, if you had the grades to get into the school, you have the grades to get into the sorority.

I really think that a lot of recruitment at UGA is based on the first impression. On paper, 99% of the PNMs are STELLAR. I think it also has a lot to do with who you know (if you come from an area like mine where there are about 300 people from my hs at UGA) and whether they like you or you stole their boyfriend in hs.

AGAIN, I have never been on the other side of recruitment, so these are guesses/opinions. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. I know that there are several UGA people on this board.

Well, my niece rushed at UGA in Fall 2003 and she was only cut by one group during rush!:eek: I think that several girls in her group were pretty lucky that way. However, I know many outstanding PNMs who weren't.

Your got it exactly, as UGA has raised it's admission standards over the years the incoming classes are better and better and most girls going through are freshman. Georgia is a small state when it comes to this stuff too, many girls are well known by people from the same home town before they hit campus. It is still a very formal rush and competative system-not good or bad that is just the way it is.

Does ANYONE have any CURRENT UGA Panhellenic info? (Websites, chapter site links) I wanted to give a relative of mine links to the info, but I can't seem to find any. :confused: